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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:47 PM
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Yes, the health care bill is flawed. Exactly why are Democrats only blaming Democrats?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-marmel/yes-the-health-care-bill_b_398530.html

Steve Marmel
Yes, the health care bill is flawed. Exactly why are Democrats only blaming Democrats?

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I may not like every person with a "D" in front of their title, and I do not vote for every "D" I see. In 2008, I voted for Obama, because I was sick of a Republican party that shifted way right on me, and started cramming an "our way or the highway" point of view down my throat.

And that Republican party hasn't changed. If anything - by catering to birthers and evangelical hard-liners, they have gotten worse.

Every single Republican has lined up against this bill. Am I supposed to believe there wasn't ONE republican that wanted to make this work in either the house or the senate?

40 senators cannot agree on anything. Except, of course, that they want their White House back. And that's what this is all about.

These people with the "R" in front of their name lined up in unison at the beginning of this presidency, not over fighting any specific bill - they were fighting against ALL of them. They lined up in unison because they wanted Obama to fail. Not over health care. Not over climate change. They just want him to fail. Period.

It is that simple.

They wanted this to be, as lunatic Republican theocrat Jim DeMint said, the "waterloo that would break him." It may still yet.

It's not a flaw in the Democratic party that they had to compromise to get 60 of their members to agree on a piece of legislation. That's what a big tent is about. I, nor should any American, want the important debates of our day to be dictated without debate and dissent.

It is a flaw in the current version of the Republican party that not a single congressman or senator had the stones to vote for it. Not one. Everyone of these weak-willed individuals were in such fear of being lambasted - by the tea party, by the conservative media, by idealogues in their own party - that none of them had the courage to say "You know what? I'll vote for it if you include XXX."

Not one.


So yeah, we can all be disappointed in what this bill is, because of what this bill could have been.

But when I think about why it's not - as much as I'd like to leave a bag of burning dog crap on the doorsteps of people like Nelson and Lieberman... they, and the party in power, are not completely to blame for what happened here.

It's not the Democrats, who allowed dissent and debate, and were trying to accomplish a goal that a majority of Americans elected them to do that did this thing.

It's the Republicans who are running the next election campaign on every bill that comes through the House and Senate, that were the biggest roadblocks to what it seems a majority of Americans wanted.

So, no. I won't blame Obama for that. There are plenty of other things going on that have lessened my enthusiasm for this President. But on the issue of health care, I think he had no choice to be a pragmatist in the face of an enemy with a drone-like mindset of a Star Wars storm trooper.

And I will not have selective memory of that, come 2010 and 2012.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:48 PM
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1. Recommended.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:49 PM
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2. And Lieberman is included in that 60 and is not a Democrat
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:56 PM
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10. Well so is Bernie Sanders & he's not a Dem either! The OP is right!
The damn GOPers even voted against funding the troops! Something they ALWAYS support!

They ves[erately want the WH back and are trying everything they can think of to get it!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:50 PM
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3. We have a 60 seat senate that must vote 100% in unison to get anything passed.
That's never going to be easy. Fuck you GOP.

K&R because I've been screaming the same thing for months.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:52 PM
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4. We're supposed to guide and control the process. We've got our majorities, etc. So, we
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 02:54 PM by Captain Hilts
should have done a better job of it.

Yes, we should use the force of the DNC, etc. to hold Republican feet to the fire. Absolutely.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:53 PM
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5. It was the Democrats who took single payer off the table
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 02:53 PM by EFerrari
before anyone even sat down.

And, iirc, they are in the majority right now.

I don't see people blaming only Democrats. I see people holding the party who is "leading" right now accountable. Blaming Republicans for being self serving callous thieving jerks is like saying the sun came up again, anyway.

Maybe that's the part that goes unsaid too often. We expect Republicans to be and to act like Republicans.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:54 PM
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7. Ted Kennedy did that. So, the table was tilted to the right from the very beginning. nt
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:55 PM
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9. True - the WH purposely threw the game by refusing to use single payer...
...to our advantage and by cutting deals with the industry against our interests.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:54 PM
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6. Republican blame is a given. We already know they prefer corporate interests, this is why we don't
vote for them.
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Progressive_Angel Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:55 PM
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8. yeah
we are nobel
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 03:14 PM
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14. why aren't they being blamed? because we KNOW they are the enemy
orrin hatch said it pretty clearly: we want the democrats to fail because success on this issue will help democrats. how much clearer do they have to be? the question is: why are democrats failing to take advantage of the situation the republicans have acknowledged? um, yes dear author, it's because of nelson, lieberman et al.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:56 PM
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11. Very logical and valid points
the critics have never been able to explain these flaws in their arguments.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 03:07 PM
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12. Well, afterall, they started with a pile of feces and took real reform off the table from the get-go
Their doing alone...ya know, when you start like that, how can anyone trust they are operating in good faith?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 03:10 PM
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13. Because blaming things like weather, viruses and termites is childish
The pugs are what they are and everyone knows that.

I don't vote for pugs so I have no influence with them and they don't owe me much.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 03:14 PM
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15. Because they wrote it?
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 03:31 PM
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16. Progressives turn on dems
that's their nature. Punk azzes.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 04:00 PM
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17. Why don't we rant and rave about al Qaeda's treatment of THEIR prisoners?
Why do we instead complain so bitterly about the torture that OUR GOVERNMENT committed?

The answer, of course, is that we demand better of our own.

We don't expect al Qaeda (or the Republicans) to behave differently.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:27 PM
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18. Grandstanders like to
throw red meat..makes 'em feel big and necessary.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:31 PM
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19. Because we screwed the pooch on this one...GOP was just doing their job
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 10:31 PM by Armstead
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