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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:32 PM Original message |
I could be executed tomorrow. Please help. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. They're coming for TERRORISTS, as they must. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. And who decides who is a terrorist? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. That's easy.. they wear "I 'heart' AQ" t-shirts. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
144. That's today. Tomorrow, different tee-shirts might get you "qualified" (or permanently-disqualified |
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kickysnana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
42. +1 |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Actually, #2 seems to be the person always in the cross hairs. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
53. He could have turned himself in to the courts |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
89. There are no charges to surrender for and no running under warrant is not a capital offense. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
107. That's true, since he was charged in Yemen and this was a joint operation. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #107 |
116. If he was charged in Yemen, then Yemeni law applies |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. And justice was carried out in the joint operation by Yemen and the United States. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Justice? |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. Yes, justice. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. Vengeance |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #123 |
186. bullshit, it was an extra-judicial assassination of an American citizen, without due process |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #186 |
194. + another 1000 |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #123 |
193. Truly major hogwash |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #123 |
235. Justice is doled out by courts. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
171. +1000 |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
337. The court of Law that execute innocent men? |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
91. Who says that you are not a terrrorist? Haven't you been on a subversive website for years? |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #91 |
130. Anyone who knows me. No. No. No. Yes. Because of my actions, that's why. |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #130 |
163. That is not what the official files say. One cannot argue with them. n/t |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 11:19 PM Response to Reply #163 |
166. One can and DOES argue with them. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #166 |
237. Nope, sorry. Those records are sealed. |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #91 |
168. No, that is not terrorism! |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
174. so the drones will be hitting Goldman Sachs next? |
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DFab420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. Stupid. Seriously. He was a member of a terrorist organization. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. What crimes was he indicted for? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Are you a member of a terrorist organization? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. So you refuse to answer a very basic question? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Deleted message |
MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. ** CRICKETS ** |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. Um |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You continue to not answer my question. nt |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:28 AM Response to Reply #70 |
309. but they all seem to agree |
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DFab420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. BUt see all he has to say is you haven't answered his question and move on |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
103. Deleted message |
phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
151. Not uncomfortable. Just irrelevant. Congress approved the use of force against members of Al Qaeda. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
167. "It will never happen to me" does not a lasting Constituton make... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
54. Probably several |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
57. Was Hitler indicted? |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Was Hitler killed by the Allies? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. nobody really knows for sure what happened to Hitler. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. He committed suicide and his body was burned along with Eva Braun's |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Maybe but he could have killed by the allies. They bombed the shit out of Berlin. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Nuremberg Trials |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. for those that happened to survive the bombings. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. We should have been carpet bombing Yemen? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. no. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. Well that's what we were doing to Germany |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #99 |
113. It was a war |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. This is no war! |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:34 AM Response to Reply #113 |
310. and say he got a sex change and became margret thatcher |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
128. The allies did not bomb Berlin with the objective of killing Hitler. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
93. TRIALS????? |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. We don't even need indictments any more |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Was Hitler a US citizen? nt |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. does that matter? |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:34 AM Response to Reply #72 |
175. It does. Hitler wasn't a US citizen, al-Aulaqi was. The Geneva Conventions werent written yet either |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #175 |
199. I think we should be just as concerned about unjust killing of non US citizens. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #199 |
249. Two words: Legal jurisdiction. There was none for Hitler, there was for al-Aulaqi. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
160. Incitement to murder. Convicted of it, too. nt |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #160 |
188. In the US? Link? |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
178. Crickets... only a question to whether of not YOU are a terrorist, |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
334. None, same as anyone else killed in a war. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
44. So if the ACLU is labelled a terrorist organization by a (R) president.... |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
96. Be very careful with matches around that strawman. I can't believe that |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
172. It is no strawman...it is the basis of the argument and the reason for our Constitution |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:38 AM Response to Reply #172 |
179. ^This. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:21 AM Response to Reply #172 |
182. Where does the congress give you the freedom to declare yourself |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #182 |
196. There is no such thing as "an enemy of the state" legally. The word |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #172 |
205. Get back with me when the ACLU is declared a terrorist organization by this government. Until then |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:36 AM Response to Reply #172 |
311. these are not progressives saying this is a good thing |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 02:15 AM Response to Reply #96 |
320. Nixon labelled the ACLU an enemy of America. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #320 |
325. Was anyone from the ACLU assasinated by an airstrike under Nixon? |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #325 |
338. well Nixon did kill 4 students at Kent State. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #338 |
341. I understand completely what a strawman argument is. And saying that |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #341 |
343. since you didn't say what a strawman is, you obviously don't know. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #343 |
345. And you're an idiot. So we're even (nt) |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #44 |
218. If the ACLU starts participating in plans to kill Americans as part of a war against America... |
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a simple pattern (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #218 |
284. What if a member of the ACLU smashes the window of a Starbucks? |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
152. It's one thing to disagree with Manny on this. |
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lob1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. K&R. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
6. “It is ridiculous to say our argument leads to the conclusion that the president can assassinate who |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. So which judicial body indicted or convicted him? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Read my post #9. n/t |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I did, and it provides zero answers to my question. nt |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Your question is irrelevant in regards to why it was justified to kill al-Awlaki. n/t |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Having a judicial system is irrelevant? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. In al-Awlaki's case, yes. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. So the judiciary is irrelevant when inconvenient. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Give it up. He's a terrorist who declared war on America and helped Americans kill |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. You seem unable to answer my very simple and basic question. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. YOU seem unable to accept the facts given to you over and over. If you're thinking of |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I guess we'll let the readers of this thread decide for themselves. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Yup. And we'll all be watching for your videos declaring jihad on America. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
63. I guess terrorists can only be dealt with through extrajudicial killing, is the point?? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
114. Some can be tried |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. and if some, why not all? |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:36 AM Response to Reply #117 |
176. Because you can't thump your chest as hard over a conviction vs. a drone attack. n/t |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Star Chambers |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
125. Adams once asked "will we be a nation of laws or a nation of men?" |
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a simple pattern (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
285. Exercise for the reader: |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. He was on the CIA's Capture or Kill List. Read here for justification of his killing: |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. So why wasn't evidence presented in a court of law? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. The evidence was all over TV and the internet for a long time-videos of al-Awlaki declaring war |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. If there was evidence of a crime, why no indictment or trial? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. He was put on the CIA's capture or kill list after he declared war on America. If you do the same |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. So why no indictment or trial? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I told you and I gave you links to read. Simple answers. Please get real. n/t |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. All I see is justification for killing him: nothing about why due process should be ignored. nt |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. That's right. There is justification for killing him. Sorry it doesn't fit into your little box of |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. OK: why do we have a judiciary? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. It doesn't apply to this guy. HE declared war against the U.S. He was put on the CIA's list and he |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. So why do we have a judiciary? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #67 |
217. For regular ass criminals. Use some common sense. |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #217 |
330. When a secret grand jury hands down an indictment of mafioso or a drug lord... |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. of COURSE the Judiciary applies! |
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The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
81. If you declare that you intend to kill me, I say that's all the due process needed |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Because we no longer need due process |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
11. If you don't go to Yemen or Afghanistan and join with the jihadists you |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Who determines whether or not he's a terrorist kickin' it with jihadists? |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. He determines it when he goes to "kick it" with them. nt |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. How do we know for sure if he is? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. 'Cause *The Decider*, decides. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. He made videos bragging about it and giving American terrorists marching orders. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. So what? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Watch Hardball now and watch the experts explaining "so what." n/t |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. If there is evidence, present it to a Grand Jury and get an Indictment |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. He declared war on America. He put out many videos instructing others to kill Americans. He was |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
118. Yeah, that's terrible stuff to do. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
95. That Hardball segment was gibberish! |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
129. Hardball? Seriously? |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:43 AM Response to Reply #40 |
312. i made a video once that showed me doing magic tricks |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #11 |
197. Brilliant legal reasoning. Sounds like it came from FR. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
15. I have mixed feelings about this. |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
58. I lean toward the "or not". |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
18. pffffftttttt...nt |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Do you Canadians similarly execute people without judicial involvement? nt |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
313. canada dropping drones on their citizens? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
22. And there will be a spirited debate in GD about it. |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
27. I wished they'd come for the drama queens. |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
55. ! |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
64. LOL... |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
119. Oh no you di'int! |
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These Eyes (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
153. ... |
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madamesilverspurs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
47. How to render an avatar ironic... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
51. That's true |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
61. I doubt it.. unless you are doing things that are a serious threat to our national security. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Or until The Decider *decides* that I'm doing something that's a serious threat. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Depends how serious the threat is. If its very serious and imminent then you are in trouble. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. If The Decider decides that I'm a serious threat. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. who are you claming is "The Decider"? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Our President. nt |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. It's not that simple. There are hundreds of people involved in these decsions. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
101. Who makes the ultimate decision? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #92 |
104. BTW, do you have a link that describes the hundreds of people involved |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #104 |
139. Yeah, but you can't have it. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #104 |
198. sorry, if I told you I'd have to tombstone you. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #92 |
140. That is kinda the point isn't it? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 08:38 AM Response to Reply #140 |
187. yes, that is good point. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
138. What was the imminent threat in this circumstance? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #138 |
200. read this.. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #200 |
201. I don't believe that |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #201 |
202. Well, I do. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #202 |
204. It's inconceivable that a Presidential Administration would lie to further its goals |
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DFab420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
83. Anwar al-Awlaki once said... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. I'm defending rhe rule of law, not al-Awlaki |
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DFab420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Oh really? Where was your outrage at Troy Davis' murder? Oscar Grant? Osama Bin Laden? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. If you search DU, you'll see which one of us is shit drumming. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Then link to similar OPs of outrage by you re: Troy Davis, Oscar Grant, and Osama Bin Laden. |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Here is a link to a comment that relates to your request: |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Tame stuff. No outrage there. Still waiting for similar OPs of outrage.... |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #112 |
122. Who made you the judge of the quality of another's outrage? n/t |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #122 |
143. It's an election of one. I have found MGs post to consistent on the underlying issue... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #122 |
150. Moving the goalpost? It's clear that Manny didn't post similar OPs out outrage re: Troy Davis... |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #150 |
164. That is right - you did move those goalposts. Have a good night. n/t |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #164 |
169. That's a false statement. You did. And I called you on it. |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #169 |
195. You are correct in stating that you provided a false statement. n/t |
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YellowCosmicSun (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #195 |
210. You haven't changed much since second grade, have you? Playground tactics. |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #210 |
331. If you were to read the thread... |
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DFab420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. I searched man I looked high and low for your posts. I found some discussing the Troy Davis case. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:49 AM Response to Reply #102 |
315. now they will demand you provide |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #94 |
141. Manny has been consistent on this issue of the rule of law. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:03 PM Response to Reply #141 |
307. Only his attacks on this Admin has been consistent |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:48 AM Response to Reply #94 |
314. where was yours? |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #90 |
108. Kudos for your valiant defense of the Rule of Law.... |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #108 |
146. When you denouce your country and your countrymen, don't expect |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #146 |
162. Well... |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #162 |
181. That is how I feel personally. If you didn't care about my opinion, |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:52 AM Response to Reply #108 |
316. dont call them progressives or liberals |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:35 AM Response to Reply #83 |
180. I daresay Eric Cantor would say the same thing |
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walerosco (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #83 |
298. How are we sure he said all that? |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
303. So let's lower ourselves to al-Awlaki's level, |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
86. Better turn yourself in. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Manny's just keyboard terrorist.. |
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DFab420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. No tafter Obama's killbots find him and imprison us all in FEMA camps!!!! |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. Turn himself in for what? He wasn't even fucking charged. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #98 |
109. You're defending the head of Al-Qaeda in Yemen who mentored US terrorists. Interesting. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #109 |
185. Your hatred of due process is noted. nt |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #109 |
288. I asked what charges he had been indicted on that he should have remanded himself to |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #98 |
135. He was charged in the Yemen courts. You need to read more about it. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #135 |
292. I sure do. I missed the part where convictions in Yemen substitute for our jurisprudence |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:19 AM Response to Reply #292 |
321. This wasn't just concerning our jurisprudence. This was a joint operation between our 2 countries. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
120. Is al-Awlaki even still a citizen of the USA????? Anyone know the answer? n/t |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. Being as he's dead |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #120 |
137. As much as Benedict Arnold was at the time of his death. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
121. You have officially defended a known terrorist more than you have Obama. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Do you believe that the ACLU is pro-Nazi |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #124 |
131. Did those Neo-Nazis call for jihad against America? |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
132. These people who think that these extrajudicial assassination tools are just peachy in Obama's hands |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #132 |
145. +1 |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #132 |
147. I don't give a hoot who is in the Oval Office and issues such an |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #147 |
191. The constitution is clear on the issue of treason |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #132 |
229. +1 |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #132 |
342. Perry did not have the authority to stop any of the Texas executions. |
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YellowCosmicSun (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
134. Are you a terrorist, Manny? |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:54 AM Response to Reply #134 |
177. You appear to be on a hunt for terrorists on DU tonight. |
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YellowCosmicSun (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #177 |
209. Manny, implied he would be assassinated like al-Awlaki. I asked if it was for the same reason. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:56 AM Response to Reply #177 |
317. dont encourage the sock puppet |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #134 |
239. His definition doesn't matter. Neither does yours. Only your sovereign has a relevant opinion. n/t |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
142. Why should we help you? |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #142 |
214. Lovely. Your desire noted. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:57 AM Response to Reply #214 |
318. any thing to silence those in disagreement with them |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
148. When You Dedicate Your Life To Placing Bombs On Planes Filled With Innocent Men, Women, and Children |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. In a nutshell... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
154. FACT: Al-Awlaki was indicted in two countries (Yemen and Great Britain) last year. |
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SadPanda (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
155. Ok, so if tomorrow you move to the Middle East and advocate and plan the death of Americans... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 08:59 AM Response to Reply #155 |
189. Where's the evidence that he commited a crime? |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
156. As long as YOU do NOT join al Qaeda and if YOU do NOT declare WAR on the USA - you'll be okay. n/t |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
157. Are you in Al Queda? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. So I don't have to worry when our Constitution is ignored? |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. It wasn't ignored. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #165 |
190. It was completely ignored |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #190 |
221. Unless the Supreme Court overturned the UMAF someday, its completely legal in every single way. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #221 |
223. AUMF does not authorize targeted killing, number 1. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #223 |
225. The AUMF does not restrict the amount of force used against terrorists at all |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #225 |
228. AUMF does not authorize target killing of anyone |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #228 |
231. The AUMF grants the President the authority to make that choice. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #231 |
234. It does no such thing. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #234 |
240. Congress listed "all necessary and appropriate use of force", Thats almost as broad as it gets. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #159 |
170. Who here agrees with Newt Gingrich's comment re: due process? Prove it. |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
173. sorry, think I have to wash my dog that day. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
183. When I read the title, I was sure you were announcing your impending move to Yemen. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 08:09 AM Response to Reply #183 |
184. So it's cool to execute unindicted citizens in Yemen? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #184 |
203. Al-Awlaki was indicted in two countries (Yemen and Great Britain) last year. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #203 |
238. Can you furnish a link to the UK indictment? |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #184 |
305. I don't think my post offered a "coolness factor" on any of this. |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
192. Too bad more DUer's don't understand what you're saying, Mannie. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #192 |
206. President Obama followed the rule of law and ordered this singular act legally via the AUMF. |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #206 |
215. You need to re-read the AUMF. It says: |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #215 |
219. You need to re-read Al-Awlaki's bio. He has been indeed linked to 9/11 bombers. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #215 |
224. You need to re-read your own post. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #192 |
212. Deleted message |
COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #212 |
216. With such a deep and thoughtful response I am appropriately chagrined. |
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YellowCosmicSun (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #216 |
245. you didn't have to respond, but you did. You know what I'm saying is true. |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #245 |
294. You are so entertaining... |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
207. Fuck...I take you off 'ignore' for one day as I see this? |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #207 |
302. Are you organizing a vigilante committee? |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
208. They obstinately refuse to get it, Manny... |
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YellowCosmicSun (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #208 |
211. Why didn't you try to bring out al-Awlaki's conscience? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #208 |
213. Get a clue. See Reply #209 for the facts. Or keep ignoring them in favor of empty rhetoric. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #213 |
220. I think they'd much rather work to validate the right's claims that the left is proterrorist. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #220 |
222. Ah. But of course. |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #220 |
226. Fuck the Constitution, eh? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #226 |
227. Nothing unconstitutional occurred. So I reject your foamy mouthed bullshit on its face. |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #227 |
301. Au contraire, in fact rather pithy. The foam is around your mouth |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
230. More strident hysterical bullshit |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #230 |
232. The Constitution doesn't make exceptions for pricks who want to kill me |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. Anyone threatening to kill my family and |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #233 |
236. Do you know of any quotes where he threatens to kill Americans? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #236 |
241. "YouTube removes Awlaki hate videos" (The Guardian, 3 November 2010) |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #241 |
246. But do you know of any quotes where he threatens to kill Americans? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #246 |
254. "'We Will Kill Your People' - Fugitive cleric Al-Awlaki calls for murder of Americans(May 24, 2010)" |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #254 |
261. You should know better than to quote Fox News as a source, because... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #261 |
264. Fox News referenced Meet The Nation and showed the actual clip. Your source is goatmilkblog.com? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #230 |
243. Our government can declare anyone a "public enemy" and kill them. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #230 |
296. that is what the abortion doctor killers say |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 01:28 AM Response to Reply #296 |
332. When was the last time a Zygote called for the death of America?? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
242. Deleted message |
ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #242 |
244. Pres. Obama followed the rule of law in this singular case. Your rhetoric is as false as it is wrong |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #244 |
248. Your proof is a DU post that references Wikipedia? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #248 |
256. Check the source footnotes that accompany the text quotes. Do you have anything but rhetoric? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #244 |
251. Terrorists are not soldiers, they are criminals. The rules of war do not apply. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #242 |
247. Yup... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #247 |
250. Do you have firsthand evidence that he did any of those things? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #250 |
255. The govt. does as does anyone with a TV or internet connection who saw the videos he made, |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #255 |
263. Perhaps I'm dense. Help me out with specifics. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #263 |
270. Nope. You're purposely being dense. You get no help from me. But once you declare war |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #270 |
272. Terrorism is not war, it is a criminal activity. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #272 |
276. We're at war with al Qaeda. Awlaki declared war on America. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #276 |
278. Why are you repeating RW crap? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #278 |
281. I'm not. Bin Laden declared war on us. So we are at war with al Qaeda, of which al-Awlaki is a |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #281 |
287. Terrorists are not soldiers, they cannot be at war with anyone. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #287 |
290. The ACLU sued to get al-Awlaki off the CIA's Terrorist Watch List/Kill or Capture List and lost. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #247 |
253. The government doesn't have to prove anything before they kill you. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #253 |
258. We all saw Awlaki's videos declaring war on America and telling other Americans to join the jihad |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #258 |
267. You are not guilty of treason unless you are charged and covicted. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #267 |
275. He's a traitor: |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #275 |
277. He had not been tried and found guilty, and thus he was not LEGALLY a traitor. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #277 |
280. He gave aid and comfort to our enemy. He did it on video when declaring war against the U.S. n/t |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #280 |
286. He still was not convicted in a court. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #286 |
291. The ACLU sued to get al-Awlaki off the CIA's Terrorist Watch List/Kill or Capture List and lost. |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #275 |
289. Don't be dense. Get out your copy of the Constitution and read |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 02:06 AM Response to Reply #275 |
319. shame on you |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #242 |
252. I guess we know how police states are allowed to take over |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #252 |
257. The Neo-Cons "War On Terror" framing has worked, even with "liberals" |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #257 |
260. What do you think calling for "jihad" against Americans means to an Islamic terrorist? Hmm? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #260 |
265. Terrorism is not warfare, it is criminal violence. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #265 |
268. Congress disagrees with you, as does the governments of Yemen & Great Britain, who indicted him. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #268 |
271. The same governments that support authoritarian police state-ism. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #271 |
274. Your rancid rhetoric is not based on any facts that I can discern. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #274 |
279. Your kow-towing to the BS spewed by the PTB is not based on any sense or principle. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #279 |
282. That's "BS".... You are ignoring the rule of law, namely the AUMF, in favor of pushing nonsense. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #252 |
259. I guess we know how bullshit false narratives are allowed to take over |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #259 |
262. OK, we get it - you're cool with executing Americans with zero judicial oversight |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #262 |
266. That's a false statement. Are strawman fallacies all you've got left, now that you've been debunked? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #266 |
304. Deleted message |
ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #304 |
306. More empty rhetoric. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
269. Deleted message |
Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #269 |
273. It's not Denial, it's Brainwashing, it's the success of RW framing about the "War on Terror". |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #273 |
283. Once again, your presumptions are completely devoid of anything approaching fact. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #283 |
297. No act of Congress can supersede the Constitution, they can only amend it and that must be ratified. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #297 |
299. Nothing President Obama did was unconstitutional. He followed the rule of law via the AUMF. |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #299 |
308. Do you fail to understand that the Constitution is the supreme law |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #269 |
295. Deleted message |
jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
293. Manny, I hope you don't run off and join al Qaeda, swear jihad against the US... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #293 |
300. If he does, I hope he says hello to Al Awlaki for us. |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:23 AM Response to Original message |
322. This is very seriously offensive to myself and I would imagine many others on this forum.. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:52 AM Response to Reply #322 |
323. +1 |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #323 |
324. Only one of the preceeding 321 posts directly addresses that aspect of the OP... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #322 |
326. Good post. |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #326 |
329. Agreed. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
327. If you have openly declared war and insurrection against this country, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
328. If you are worried, stay inside the United States. That is a bright line. If he was in the US, they |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
333. My modest proposal is that we forswear the use of trials entirely and |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
335. Are you a TERRORIST? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
336. No Time For Pen Pals |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
339. More hysteria, how delightful. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
340. Today, a terrorist captured in the United States goes to trial. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
344. The President has a responsibility to defend the lives of Americans, even from other Americans. |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
346. Help you get executed? OK. |
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