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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:35 PM
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A Rebuttal to Howard Dean: I Am a U.S. Senator, and I Will Vote For This Bill
Sen. Paul G. Kirk, Jr.]

A Rebuttal to Howard Dean: I Am a U.S. Senator, and I Will Vote For This Bill

Chairman Dean deserves enormous credit for all the good work he did for the Democratic Party. But, his opinion piece begins by saying "If I were a Senator, I would not vote for the current health-care bill." He goes on to argue that the bill does not bring "real reform."

Signing his article as a "former chairman of the Democratic National Committee," I am sure, made Howard's comments particularly newsworthy, and I note that he is a guest on one of tomorrow morning's talk shows.

After reading many erroneous statements in the article that led him to his faulty conclusion, as they say in the world of health care--"we better get Howard a second opinion!"

As a former Chairman of the National Democratic Party myself, let me begin where Howard began, but by taking a contrary position. I am a United States Senator, and I will vote for the current health-care bill precisely because it does bring "real reform."

I hope Howard is reading, because I believe with a better understanding of the real reforms this bill does bring to America's health care system, he will join me as a forceful advocate for its enactment.

Let me first explain why I believe this bill is, in fact, the kind of "real reform" that Chairman Dean rightly seeks.

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And on one important point, with all due respect to my friend Chairman Dean, he is just plain wrong. He states that few Americans will see any benefit under this bill until 2014. In fact, as early as 2010 the Senate bill will do the following:

  • Establish a high-risk pool that will give uninsured Americans with a pre-existing condition access to coverage;

  • Prohibit insurance companies from dropping coverage for Americans because they get sick;

  • Prohibit the imposition of lifetime limits on coverage;

  • Require insurance companies to report the percentage of premium revenues that they spend on medical benefits for their enrollees, and force them to rebate any excessive costs or profits;

  • Require insurance companies to provide free preventive services;

  • Require insurance companies to cover dependents up to age 26;

  • Provide a discount on drug costs to seniors who fall into the Medicare Part D doughnut hole.

  • Provide a tax credit to small businesses that provide health insurance for their employees.

  • In these and other ways, the Senate bill is immediate and real reform.
For a senior citizen who cannot afford the drugs she needs, it is real reform. For the thirty one million people who will obtain life insurance, it is real reform. For families who worry that hospital bills will wipe out their life savings, it is real reform. For a system that fails to serve the needs of the American people, it is real reform.

I know there are many well meaning progressives who oppose this bill because it does not go far enough. They argue that if this bill is defeated, we will somehow rebound and pass still better legislation in the near future. Secure in that belief, they say they will not settle for a bill they view as imperfect.

I admire their optimism and idealism, but that is not the world in which we live. This fight must be won now. To be sure, there will be more to do. There will always be more to do. But this historic piece of legislation will be a giant step forward towards a health care system that finally and truly will begin to serve the needs of the American.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:36 PM
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:38 PM
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4. And still no answer about the public option.
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 05:38 PM by freddie mertz
Which ProSense promised us in about three hundred OPs this summer and fall.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:39 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:42 PM
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14. "Which ProSense promised " You biggest problem
is assuming a person posting on DU is promising you anything.

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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:49 PM
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20. You did. You posted endless quotes from Obama and others
That a public option WOULD be in the final bill.

You know you posted them, and you took the president and his spokespeople at their word.

Aren't you even a little embarrassed that they were not telling you the truth?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:52 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:19 PM
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27. Why should I be a little embarrassed
that you foolishly thought I was promising you something?

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:43 PM
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32. Well, we certainly were fools to believe ANYTHING you post
Yep, the egg's on our face now - fer sure
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:28 PM
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29. Not only did Pro-Shill constantly bombard DU with "There WILL be a PO" threads
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:41 PM
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31. Yes
And yet, her financed support of BO is somehow less of an assault than our calling her out for it.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 11:40 PM
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35. "The only person who counts when it comes to what the WH believes is Obama"
"...and it beyond ludicrous to claim he believes progressives want a mandate."

ProSense Wed Aug-19-09 08:41 PM.

It was not beyond ludicrous, it was completely accurate.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:49 PM
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33. you are aware that the PO dosn't need to be in the senate bill to end up in the final one right?
It is in the House bill, and once in conference i am quite positive the house will fight hard to get it included in the conference report since they have been stating that a number of times(i am also sure Obama will be making his wishes felt a lot better during that time)
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 11:37 PM
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34. Are you really expecting Obama to push for it this late in the game?
I was skeptical after the "sliver" speech in August, which helped prompt the flood of "yes he will" posts.

So far my pessimism has unfortunately been proven more right than optimism like yours.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:58 PM
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23. Or ending the insurance industry's anti-trust exemption. nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:39 PM
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7. You're so rude. ProSense has as much right to post here
as you do and is entitled to post whatever she wants. Post a rebuttal if you want to, but must you be so insulting? :eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:41 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:41 PM
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11. I"m sure Senator Kirk would care about your characterization of him.
Me, I don't give a shit what assholes post.

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:44 PM
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17. My sentiments exactly. n/t
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:44 PM
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16. Who made you DU gawd?
Prosense is a respected, long time DU'er. She can post whatever she wants.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:45 PM
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18. $he certainly can.
I $upport her $lavishly.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:56 PM
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22. Amen.....Rahm must be their Hero.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:37 PM
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2. He's in the club now.
Those who believed the president six months ago have no representation today in Washington.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:37 PM
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3. "I AM one of America's crazy uncles and I will chortle all over you
while the insurance companies and Big Pharma eat you alive."

Nice message.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:38 PM
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5. Very good! Respectful to Howard Dean but he makes his points
and makes them quite well.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:07 PM
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26. This bill stinks out loud, but my instincts are to support it. Not ending
the anti-trust exemption for health insurance companies is a big no-no for me.

I see no significant way of controlling prices, so this seems like a big, wet kiss to the insurance companies.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:40 PM
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8. Thanks a lot, Senator Asshole
Your condescending apologia is noted.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:40 PM
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9. OK, let our junior senator be thrown under the train, just like our senior senator.
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:40 PM
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10. The Straw Man Argument
It DOESN'T MATTER how many good things you list in the HCR Bill, if it does not CONTROL AND REGULATE the total costs the Insurance Companies will be able to charge.

This HCR Bill will help many smaller segments of the population (good), but screw over the majority (bad) with ever-increasing costs.

The current Bill DOES NOT ESTABLISH ANY COMPETITION. The Insurance companies will continue to raise rates, until we hit the next tipping point -- where the average family CANNOT AFFORD insurance. It will be too late to fix it then. The middle-class in America is being exterminated.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:43 PM
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15. They never even MENTION that the mandate is a FORCED PURCHASE.
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 05:44 PM by freddie mertz
From the way they talk, it SOUNDS like subsidized healthcare for all.

Which it most assuredly is NOT.

It's a massive redistribution of wealth into the coffers of the Insurance companies.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:42 PM
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13. The bill doesn't really stop insurance firms from dropping us when we get sick.
It says they can drop us for "fraud" which is the excuse they currently use when they decide a customer is too expensive and drop him or her.

http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2009/11/the_senate_bill_1.html
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:48 PM
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19. And their attorneys are at work THIS VERY MINUTE -
to make sure no language gets inserted that will make this more difficult for them to pull off.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:58 PM
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24. Kirk's done an admirable job in the short time he has.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:05 PM
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25. Nice comments on this thread
I hope everyone will channel their anger and work to elect liberal Congress people in 2010. For example, put your money where your mouths are and help elect Jennifer Brunner:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/21794
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:22 PM
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28. Gonna be a damn hard sell to ordinary Americans
Hope you enjoy your fall into minority status if this is what ends up passing. You and others will deserve it.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:30 PM
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30. Strange, the entire "rebuttal" failed to mention Dean's single major criticism: the mandate
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 06:31 PM by brentspeak
Doesn't much qualify as a "rebuttal", does it?
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 11:41 PM
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36. It's a dodge. They never mention it in any of their appearances.
I wonder why?
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