73% of Democratic supporters do not want to primary President Obama

[TheBigotBasher]

Given that the 2008 Primary was a 50/50 split requiring super delegates to make up the final number and after a very difficult first term that is a magnificent number. There will always be some holdouts. There will always be people within the Democratic Party who want someone else but at the moment 73% of Democratic supporters want President Barack Obama to be the Democratic candidate against whichever Republiscum is their nominee?

Do you seriously think that number will reduce if Perry or Bachmann gets nominated?

There are ways to spin polls and the Republiscums have been spinning this one all day. 82% of Republiscums do not want Rick Perry.

[liberal N proud]

1. There you have it

Difficult to run another candidate with those numbers.

[CakeGrrl]

2. Rec'd to zero.

The unhappy campers liked the "27% want Obama primaried" post better.

:evilgrin:

[Scurrilous]

3. K & R

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[TheBigotBasher]

7. Democratic supporters do not have a clue about politics

but Republiscums do?


Free Republic is that way --------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

[provis99]

11. both the majority of Democrats and Republicans are massively ignorant.

Political scientists have known this at least since the ground-breaking work of Campbell, Converse, Stokes, and Miller in the 1950's.

[LiberalFighter]

15. The reason they are mostly ignorant is because in reality

they don't make up the Democratic or Republican party. They don't belong to their local political party and for the most part they are not involved in politics.

[bornskeptic]

16. So you think you're one of the few who does have a freaking clue?

You think the President of The United States who forestalled Great Depression II, put us finally on the path to universal healthcare, saved the auto industry, and brought about the end of Osama bin Laden is a complete failure, and you think you're possessed of some degree of political acumen?

[polmaven]

17. Amazing, isn't it??

"Complete failure"......Wow! :eyes:

[JoeyT]

20. The one pushing more free trade disguised as

jobs creation? The one that thinks transparency means "Stop asking questions, peasant!"? And of course by "Put us on the path to universal healthcare" you mean "Finally created a law that forces every American to pay for profit insurance companies, even if they can't afford the premiums once they get sick.".

If a Republican had done any of those things we'd be up in arms.

[Sheepshank]

19. This must be one of those constructive criticism posts...right?

vs. useless critism.

:sarcasm:

You know, the type of posts that makes one a good Dem and not a dumbass sycophant Dem

:sarcasm:

[LaydeeBug]

5. self delete. nt

[truedelphi]

6. 73 percent of 32 percent of all voters means that

A whooping twenty three percent of all eligible voters are against the idea of a Primary.

Now with a Primary, you might end up with someone coming forth with great ideas and enough press attention that they go off and splinter the party.

But if you don't have a Primary, the excitement level may well drop off. And then people don't turn out on election day.

We already have a turn out,usually, of about 52% of all eligible voters on election day (Presidential cycle.) Our last Presidential election saw 62.5% of all eligible voters turning out.

I think that Obama needs to risk the fact that although some three percent of all eligible voters may end up doing a "Nader" but at least with enthusiasm generated there may be the larger turn out that he needs.

[TheBigotBasher]

12. 27 percent of 32 percent

means that a whopping SIX percent of all eligible voters are against FOR the idea of a Primary. All of whom you can find here.

Now with a Primary we may repeat exactly the same mistakes that gave us Ronald Reagan in November 1980 or Bush in 2000.

The World is not ready for President Perry as far as I am concerned.

[stevenleser]

22. "The World is not ready for President Perry as far as I am concerned."

You got that right. Knowing some of the diplomats at the consulates and embassies from other countries, I can tell you that if they saw this conversation they would wonder WTF some of us on the American left are doing.

The rest of the world does not want a third and fourth Bush term and would highly object to anything that would risk helping that along.

[bornskeptic]

18. I suspect most Republicans would love to see a Democratic primary.

Anybody who thinks that a victorious primary challenger might have a better chance of winning in the general election than an incumbent with President Obama's personal popularity has a lot to learn about American politics.

[truedelphi]

21. That's not what my psot said. You are rebutting points I didn't make

Without a primary, you don't get the interest and the excitement.

And I believe that the interest and the excitement is needed.

If the 2012 election has a turn out of only 50+ % of the electorate, Obama will have to fight a lot harder than if he goes forth with a Primary and rockets up an interest.

[stevenleser]

23. Actually, when you said 72% of 32% of voters... you were making that point tangentially

or at least bringing the broader electorate into the conversation.

[truedelphi]

25. Yep the broader part of the electorate are the

Forty percent that want decent policies. (Granted one fortieth of that group might be John Birchers or Stalinists or whatever.) But most in that majority group don't want a collusionary Democratic Party.

They want people in office who will stop the war spending. They want people in office who will force the banks to return the upwards of fourteen trillions of dollars that was "lent" to them with US dollars, but paid back with dubious investment portfolios. (Sort of like if you or I could pay back our student loans by sending in last years Yellow Pages.)

I realize that what the Powers that be want us to have in terms of 'election possibilities" next year are:

1) A Democratic official in the White House who works for the Biggest Bankers and a foreign Oil Company. Along with that comes Corruption and evil.

One example of true evil is when Obama's "buddy" (as he calls him every chance he can)
Tim Geithner told the Governor of California that the 37 million people of California do not deserve a 20 Billion dollar loan as that would "negatively affect the federal deficit." The people of the 38 or more states that have negative deficits deserve help.

The people who live in the high unemployment states deserve billions of dollars of help, far more than Secretary of Clinton deserved 33 billion dollars for continuing with "her war" in Afghanistan. Or for the recently offered 60 billion in armenents that we gave our "partners" in the Middle East (As though we can really trust the Saudis!) And then information from the Bernie Sanders' ordered audit of the Federal Reserve reveals that NINE TRILLIONS of dollars was "lent" the to the Biggest Financial Players through the conduit of Paulson/Bernanke -Geithner - with Obama approving verbally what Paulson has done, and being the one that appointed Geithner.

or

2) Crazy, religious fanatics who also are owned by the Biggest Corporations and as a result also represent corruption and evil

So we have a choice between very bad and very very bad.

Some choice!



But I want something better than that.

[jenmito]

8. K&R.

[TheKentuckian]

9. So? Anything over zero is supposed to mean it gets worked out at the ballot box.

Apparently, Obama would win in a walk but Apparently does not have a polling place.

The 27% should be heard too, if they make their case(s) well enough then some of the 73% may have a change of heart. It is called "that's why we play the games on the field not on paper".

[grantcart]

10. It should be noted that not all of the 27% want another candidate because

he is 'too moderate'.


Some because of race and some because they think he is too 'liberal'.

[Recursion]

13. Going by approval ratings, *most* of the opposition would be people who find him too liberal

We are an ideologically broad coalition.

[tblue]

14. It ain't gonna happen. It's Obama and only Obama.

Probably Obama/Biden. Haven't heard any VP rumors. Whether you like it or not, this is the ticket.

I think it's Obama's election to lose. He could win in another landslide if he played his cards right and addressed our most pressing needs with conviction and resolve and held his ground. Then again, he could blow it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

24. I concur!

:patriot: