Can someone list all the progressive legislation Obama has vetoed?

[killbotfactory]

You know, like when congress passed Single Payer Healthcare and Obama said "Not on my watch, liberal scum!".
Or how congress gave Obama all this stimulus money, and he said "No way, that's too much! VETO"

Thanks.

[pnwmom]

1. Now we wait. n/t

[killbotfactory]

3. There must be one example....

Like when Congress voted to close Guantanamo, and Obama was all "Not on my watch, hippies!"

I'm pretty sure that happened.

Just need a link or something.

[jenmito]

2. Here ya go:

:)

[killbotfactory]

6. Nothing?!?!?!

More proof that Obama, the closet republican/corporatist sellout/generic villainous evildoer, was too weak to fight for a progressive agenda to veto!

[styersc]

4. The number that he vetoed is the same as he introduced.

Legislation is not the only game in town. There are progressive appointments being blocked that he does nothing to fight for, most recently ELizabeth Warren. Judgeships and administrative positions remain unfilled because he does not insist on action!!!!

There are the proposals that he poses such as closing Guantanamo or Terrorist trials in Civilian Courts that he lays down and rolls over when resisted, rather then applying the pressure that can only come from the Executive Branch.

Progressive promises from environment, to immigration to ending the war(s) that frustrate.

And the most galling thing about all of this capitulation is that he gets absolutely nothing for it. Never does he ever hold out for concessions, regardless of how often he has bowed to opposition, rather they just keep rolling him with impunity!!!!!!

[killbotfactory]

9. Do you see any limit to "executive pressure"?

Do you think that if Obama just really really wanted something, congress would forget all of it's conflicting priorities and cave?

[styersc]

19. The President is, by himself, one third of government.

A lot of power comes with the job.

I don't know if he wants to go into a re-election campaign complaining about how hard the job is.

[treestar]

75. "A lot of power."

See Articles I and III of the Constitution.

See Article I for Congress power and the limits on it even.

Oh and states have some powers, too.

[pnwmom]

10. Presidents don't introduce legislation. Legislators do. n/t

[styersc]

21. Whitehouses have regularly written frameworks and goals,

that are presented to the legislative branch for action.

[stklurker]

47. frameworks to the legislature

Yes, and Pelosi and Reid were all over it in 2008.. they had all their fringe members in hand and helped queue legislation up through for him to sign into action.. Like healthcare :eyes:

[treestar]

76. And Congress is free to completely ignore that

This would only represent Congress deciding whether to spend its time on something, as in, where does the WH stand.

This Congress would pass bills repealing Social Security, They know not to waste their time.

[cherokeeprogressive]

64. It doesn't matter who pens legislation. The only thing that matters is who introduces it.

The White House can write every word of a bill and hand it to a congresscritter, who can then introduce it. No problem there.

[provis99]

13. heh.

way to turn the tables on the snarky OP!

[Tx4obama]

17. Oh that is just a bunch of bull.

Please enlighten us as to how President Obama is supposed to force the Senate REPUBLICANS to vote 'yes' for cloture, on the nominations that they (the republicans) are blocking.

Even Elizabeth Warren was intelligent enough to realize that the GOP would 'never' allow her to get enough votes in the Senate to be confirmed.

Also, regarding the federal judiciary nominations - Obama has SEVERAL times (during speeches/press conferences and even in the SOTU) insisted that the Senate 'do their job' and get them confirmed.

So, I am all ears - how is Obama supposed to force the GOP stop the obstructing and to vote 'yes'?

[styersc]

38. So your argument is that if the Dems don't pick up seats in the

House and Senate, there is no use in electing Obama in 2012?

Like I said, I don't think you want to go with the "Gosh this is hard" argument.

Too many of these posts sound like the shut out football coach who tells the journalist, "Our offense would have scored but those other guys kept getting in the way."

Really?

[mikekohr]

81. Elizabeth Warren will be the next Senator from MA

and the Republicans in the Senate will still block ANY appointment to that office, unless we elect 60 loyal Democratic Senators. Now that's a thought!

[RBInMaine]

34. Bitch whine piss moan. The MOST progressive legislation by far since LBJ and you bitch and moan. Go

take a med, please.

[vaberella]

48. Shouldn't it really be the job of Congress to be introducing progressive bills or just bills at all?

n/t

[killbotfactory]

50. Obama clearly used his executive influence to force blue dogs into watering down his proposals

Because that makes a lot of sense if you don't think about it.

[vaberella]

52. He did what? Where is your bloody proof? He's forcing them to do their job.

Something most here seems to forget. Obama doesn't make the laws, Congress bloody does. Additionally Obama wants government to work, not end up in a stand still, shit doesn't get done that way.

[killbotfactory]

55. Sorry, I was being facetious

Still waiting for an example of Obama using his executive power and influence to single handedly undermine the progressive cause, however.

[jaxx]

5. I love these unrealistic threads.

Whining around the mulberry bush.

[Fuddnik]

7. Mulberry Bush

Was he the one between Jeb and Neal?

[jaxx]

18. It can be whatever you want it to be.

[kirby]

8. Name one he has signed? n/t

[pnwmom]

11. Obama's Affordable Health care plan is the most progressive health care bill

we've had since Medicare was passed. No other President succeeded in supporting any health care bill that was as progressive.

[Warren Stupidity]

43. No there were plenty other bills far more progressive.

Including several proposals from republicans. Real republicans. There is almost nothing progressive in the Rent-a-peasant to the Insurance Industry Act.

[killbotfactory]

51. What great republican proposals was congress considering, that Obama nixed with the threat of veto?

What was the other option between the healthcare reform act as passed and the jack shit status quo for at least another decade?

[pnwmom]

67. NONE of them got passed! Who cares whether they were more progressive?

The bottom line is this is the first progressive overhaul of the medical system since Medicare. No other President since then has done better.

[Warren Stupidity]

68. I care.

It isn't about Team D winning for me, it is about what we win. It is about the policies. This particular policy is nearly indefensible. Note I said "nearly", I have defended and will continue to defend the small parts of it that actually do some good. The bulk of it is a corrupt give-away to the health insurance industry. In total it is a wretched piece of legislation.

[pnwmom]

69. If you care about "what we win" than you should care that no previous President

won ANYTHING after Medicare was passed.

There are major parts of the bill that will do good. I'm happy for you that your own situation makes you feel that the real improvements in the bill are insignificant. But millions of other people are looking forward to a day when they will FINALLY not be precluded from buying insurance on the basis of a preexisting condition. In the meantime, a high risk pool is available nationwide for those who have been denied insurance; no one will be kicked off an insurance plan because they develop a costly illness or hit a benefit ceiling; and children may remain on their parents' plans until they are 26.

In total it is a good piece of legislation that needs to be improved, just as Medicare was when it began.

[TheKentuckian]

80. It is a corporatist turd in the punch bowl that could have been passed anytime

but wiser heads rejected similar and even marginally better poison pills.

Doing nothing would have been a big improvement. This turkey is fucking radioactive and fairly fascist in nature. Creating more too big to fail and legally mandating most folks to buy from the company store deserves torches and pitchforks rather than praise.

Calling a bill that maintains an anti-trust exemption progressive is like calling a pig roast vegetarian.

[killbotfactory]

15. Since you asked, here's two:

Obama Signs Equal-Pay Legislation: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/30/us/politics/30ledbetter-web.html
Obama Signs Credit-Card Overhaul Legislation Into Law: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124302235634548041.html

Let's forget the healthcare bill, since that is an obvious corporate giveaway (despite health insurance companies lobbying against it in a machavellian rope-a-dope-move.)

[villager]

12. Can somebody list all the progressive legislation Obama has fought for?

Like, when he fought hard for single payer?

Or the return of 4th Amendment protections?

Or the end of the Bush tax cuts?



oh.

[pnwmom]

14. The Affordable Care Act is progressive,

even if it isn't AS progressive as you would have liked.

[villager]

23. And he sure "fought" to make sure it was scarcely more "progressive" than that!

:thumbsup:

[killbotfactory]

25. Yeah, he sure made a lot of phone calls to water-down the proposals he made.

Wait.. that doesn't make sense.

[villager]

29. "Wait...that doesn't make sense." You see? We *can* agree!

;-)

[Warren Stupidity]

42. If Mitt Romney were even remotely progressive you might have a point.

[killbotfactory]

20. You realize fights can be lost, right?

Even before they start.

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/11/12/obama-denies-acceptance-bush-tax-cuts

But you see, his public denouncement against the Bush tax cuts just gave him cover to extend the Bush tax cuts under no threat to other items on his agenda from republicans in congress.

[villager]

24. You realize that taking things "off the table" before negotiating is one way to always lose, right?

n/t

[killbotfactory]

26. What has he taken off the table?

Since there is no legislation passed by congress worth a damn to progressives that Obama has vetoed, what has he "taken off the table?"

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[killbotfactory]

30. What has Obama taken off the table?

What legislation was congress able to pass that Obama nixed pre-emptively? With a threat of veto perhaps?

[villager]

32. Wow. Not feigned. "Obama Takes Single Payer Plan “Off the Table”

http://blog.seattlepi.com/northwestlaw/2009/03/12/obama-takes-single-payer-plan-off-the-table/

[killbotfactory]

35. Yes, because if he didn't do that Congress would have passed single payer!

Scoundrel!

[villager]

36. So let's get this straight -- he's a "great leader" because he routinely anticipates failure

...in advance of progressive ideals, so instead starts watering them down -- in advance -- as a "negotiating" "stance" so that what he signs winds up being... fairly conservative?

[killbotfactory]

39. So you want a president that stands for the right things

even if it means getting nothing done. You want him to uncompromisingly stand up for progressive values by martyring himself at the feet of a corrupt and ruthless political system. You are not alone.

[villager]

46. "So you want a president that stands for the right things." Yes. Yes I do.

n/t

[killbotfactory]

53. And when the democrats, nevermind republicans, reject him, what then?

Bash him for lacking "leadership" ability?

[villager]

63. Ah, but what happens when said leader rejects the Democrats? The ones who voted for him?

Bashing them for "liberal" tendencies, etc.?

What then?

[killbotfactory]

65. Then you wake up from the dream, take a breath, and realize that's not reality.

[villager]

66. "Then you wake up from the dream" Hey! The first part of your reply was actually correct!

:thumbsup:

[vaberella]

49. The Dream Act is one of them. But you've easily ignored it. n/t

[blueclown]

16. I think this thread is very disingenious on the impact of a President and his bully pulpit

on Congressional policy.

[killbotfactory]

22. Bully pulpit. Explain how that works, exactly.

Also explain why republicans in congress would give a flying fuck, and how that would motivate the populace to turn against them at the polls. Thanks.

[blueclown]

31. I should have been more specific.

I was referring to his first 2 years in office. When he had large majorities in the Senate and the House.

As for the definition of the bully pulpit, look it up. Do some research.

[killbotfactory]

33. The Senate wasn't filibuster proof

And was filled with Blue dogs who side with republicans on issues like healthcare and government spending.

[Tx4obama]

44. Obama had a filibuster proof super-majority in the Senate for ONLY 49 DAYS

Since the day that Obama was sworn into office we've had 60 democratic senators in the Senate for a total of ONLY 49 DAYS.

Senator Franken was sworn in July 2009 and Senator Kennedy died August 2009 - that makes a total of only 49 days.
And the majority of those 49 days Senator Kennedy was at home on his death bed.

With all the GOP obstruction it takes 60 yes votes to invoke cloture in order to get almost everything passed in the Senate.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

57. Unless you use that majority to change the filibusters rules.

Which they didn't.

I wonder why.

[killbotfactory]

58. I'm sure it was Obama's doing!

Right?????

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

73. Actually it was Reid's doing.

Or not doing, so to speak.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

54. you mean all of the 48 or was it 49 days of majority? n/t

[polmaven]

72. During those 2 years

Speaker Pelosi's House passed a LOT of progressive legislation that never reached the level of up or down vote in the Senate.

[woolldog]

27. I don't believe Obamas vetoed anything.

Another sign of weakness. FDR vetoed 300+ peices of legislation

[CakeGrrl]

41. Of COURSE you would turn this into a negative about the President.

And of course, you couldn't answer the question.

Weak, weak sauce.

[killbotfactory]

37. Basically, I want a solid example of Obama being a shitheel

That doesn't rely on massive ignorance of how our government works and/or his perceived ability to motivate a majority of the 300 million people in our country into pestering congress into giving a fuck about doing the right thing.

I know it's a lot to ask, but please humor me.

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[killbotfactory]

45. I agree.

This is the first presidency in the history of the country where the left didn't get what we wanted. How dare I ask for evidence for Obama's malfeasance.

[killbotfactory]

56. How about what progressive legilsation has Obama threatened to veto

in order to thwart the progressive agenda?

What policy has congress agreed upon passing, which Obama took a look at and said "Oh, hell no, make that shit more friendly to wallstreet and the GOP!" forcing them to become sell outs to the progressive cause?

[Donnachaidh]

59. Congress never passed *single payer healthcare* -- FAIL

Now if you want to be honest -- they (and Obama) put forth the Health Insurance Profit Protection plan. That is NOT progressive - period.

[killbotfactory]

61. What was stopping congress from passing Single Payer?

Obama's threat of veto?

[dionysus]

77. "Congress never passed *single payer healthcare*"

that's the point.

[zalinda]

60. There has been so many back door deals

how can we even know what he vetoed? He had a 'talk' with BIG PHARMA, for Pete's sake, before the 'health bill' was even a gleam in the Congress' eye. Hell, we KNOW that he put SS and Medicare on the table. What else has he done behind closed doors?

zalinda

[killbotfactory]

62. Was the healthcare situation better or worse before Obama?

Big Pharma owns congresspeople. Of course he talked to them.

[Dawgs]

70. What progressive legislation? Was there something to actually veto? n/t

[killbotfactory]

78. Well, Obama is the bottleneck in this whole process

At least according to his most strident critics.

Just wondering what awesome progressive legislation this congress was willing to pass that Obama watered down. It shouldn't be too hard to find, considering all the vitriol directed at him.

[tweeternik]

71. K&R ...

sounds like some keyboard warriors here still really don't "get" how this political "game" works! thankfully Obama does!! :think: it's really not that hard to comprehend!

[treestar]

74. Kicked and rec'd

I don't know if this constant state of outrage is ignorance or shit stirring. Some people missed civics class. They need to find a monarch to live in and hope the monarch stays benign.

[TheKentuckian]

79. Nah, it is better PR to kill policies in shady backroom deals with the very forces dragging us down.

Obama doesn't get bills he doesn't want.

[killbotfactory]

82. What progressive legislation was congress about to pass that Obama killed in backroom deals?

I can't wait for all the juicy deatils.