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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:01 PM
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"Krugman is a political rookie," by Deaniac (excellent blog post!)
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 01:33 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
A well thought out, well-reasoned argument

Paul Krugman is a Political Rookie. Or How Barack Obama Left John Boehner Holding the Teabag, Again.

<snip>

Paul Krugman is a political rookie. At least he is when compared to President Obama. That's why he unleashed a screed as soon as word came about the debt ceiling compromise between President Obama and Congressional leaders - to, you know, avert an economic 9/11. Joining the ideologue spheres' pure, fanatic, indomitable hysteria, Krugman declares the deal a disaster - both political and economic - of course providing no evidence for the latter, which I find curious for this Nobel winning economist. He rides the coattails of the simplistic argument that spending cuts - any spending cuts - are bad for a fragile economy, ignoring wholeheartedly his own previous cheerleading for cutting, say, defense spending. But that was back in the day - all the way back in April of this year.

I am not kidding. Nor exaggerating. I will show you exactly how that happened if you bear with me a little bit.

Here's the quick and dirty (The White House has a summary here and more details here):

$900 billion in initial cuts (below CBO's baseline) through capping discretionary spending (meaning that nothing is being cut right now). Both parties had largely agreed to these cuts during the debt talks. This is really only about $750 billion of actual cuts; the other $150 billion comes from saving on interest payments on the national debt. This also raises the debt ceiling by $900 billion.
Initial cuts do not include Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or programs for the poor. It actually increases Pell grants - even in Boehner's bill.

$350 billion (almost half of these cuts) in cuts in the base defense budget - these are not simply the savings coming from winding down the wars. This actually cuts the base defense budget.

Specifically protects the President's historic investment in Pell Grants.
Sets up a bipartisan "supercommittee" of Congress (half and half Democrats and Republicans) to achieve $1.5 trillion in additional deficit reductions with both tax reform and entitlement reform on the table.

They must achieve at least $1.2 trillion in reduction or automatic cuts set in of that amount, spread equally between security (Defense and Homeland Security, mainly) and domestic spending set in. Social Security, Medicaid, low-income assistance programs and Medicare benefits are exempt (yes, I know you can swear you read or heard on the ether that it is not so, but it is. Follow along below). These are the so-called "triggers."

Either way, the debt limit goes increases additionally by a commensurate amount to the cuts (at least $1.2 trillion, at most $1.5 trillion).

A balanced budget amendment is guaranteed a vote, but not passage. But Congress can avoid both the supercommittee requirement and the alternate automatic cuts if it sends a balanced budget amendment to the states (which. will. never. happen. - because Republicans won't agree to anything balanced in terms of the balanced budget amendment.)

Remember that the President can still veto anything coming out of this committee and Congress (in which case the triggers go into effect).

Now let's get to the fun part: the triggers. The more than half-a-trillion in defense and security spending cut "trigger" for the Republicans will hardly earn a mention on the Firebagger Lefty blogosphere. Hell, it's a trigger supposedly for the Republicans, and of course, there's always It'sNotEnough-ism to cover it.

No, the loudest screeching noise you hear coming from Krugman and the ideologue Left is, of course, Medicare. Oh, no, the President is agreeing to a Medicare trigger!!! Oh noes!!! Everybody freak out right now! But let's look at the deal again, shall we? From the White House fact sheet, here is what the President actually agreed to.

Consistent With Past Practice, Sequester Would Be Divided Equally Between Defense and Non-Defense Programs and Exempt Social Security, Medicaid, and Low-Income Programs: Consistent with the bipartisan precedents established in the 1980s and 1990s, the sequester would be divided equally between defense and non-defense program, and it would exempt Social Security, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, programs for low-income families, and civilian and military retirement. Likewise, any cuts to Medicare would be capped and limited to the provider side.

Read that again.

That's what the media and the whiners are not telling you. The President agreed to no Medicare benefit cuts in the "trigger." None. The cuts, if they automatically happen, would go to whom? The providers. Who are these providers? Doctors, hospitals, clinics, Medical device makers, service providers, drug manufacturers. Who do you think they mostly donate to in the political season?

</snip>

Much more at the link:

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/08/paul-krugman-is-political-rookie-or-how.html?spref=fb
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:03 PM
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1. Excellent. K&R
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:06 PM
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2. Your link is to a non-existent page.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:11 PM
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:13 PM
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11. The link is fixed. Are you going to name-call, or are you going to read the link
and offer an intelligent analysis?

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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:52 PM
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26. Stay classy as ever with the name calling!
Or as you might pretend, 'constructive criticism'.

:eyes:
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:13 PM
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9. I fixed them. Please read and let us know what you think... n/t
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:09 PM
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3. I will get beat up here - but it looks to me like
Tea Party get lots of new stuff and Dems were able not to lose a lot the Tea Party didn't get to take away.
Like having 2 kids at Christmas - one gets presents, the other one doesn't get thrown out into the snow.
And it looks like there are plenty of future hostage taking scenarios.

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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:11 PM
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6. Again, they control the House. Next time more of us will vote.
And by the way, Dr. Dean is very happy with the deal.

For me, the absolute deal breaker would be if the Big Three were touched. They won't be, so I'm cool with this. It could have been much, much worse!

Next time, let's work harder to get the vote out!
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:10 PM
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4. Excellent post. Well written and very educational. Required Reading in fact!
Happy to see I'm not the only one (and I'm a Dean fan as well), who still has faith in President Obama and believes that he did the best that he could, given the situation.

Now can we all please stop the whining and lamenting and Obama bashing and vote the batshit crazy teabaggers out of congress next year? PLEASE?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:16 PM
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13. +++++++
Now can we all please stop the whining and lamenting and Obama bashing and vote the batshit crazy teabaggers out of congress next year? PLEASE?


:applause:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:43 PM
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35. I was never a supporter of Obama at the beginning. Probably not more than 75%.
But, I do realize that if we had a Republican for President and control of the House we would be in big trouble. IMO Kerry would had been just a lot of talk with too many big words. Most likely he would had accomplished a lot less. HRC might have been just a bit better but we will never know. I don't think that much better than Obama. For sure we would had been worse off with the likes of Bayh and many others. Gore might had been better but imo he is past his time. Feingold would had fought harder but is he electable?

What too many don't realize is that it takes more than just electing a President to have good government. And that a President can be handicapped when they don't have support of Congress. And when necessary for Congress to guide the President in the right direction. The President can only do so much on their own. All the more reason to campaign for congressional members that are good Democrats.

I have some serious issues with Obama which make me wonder if he knows what the hell he is doing. And I think part of that is he was only a Senator for only 4 years and never had any experience in governing.

At the same time I realize that important legislation has occurred during his time and he has also made important appointments that never would had occurred under a Republican.

I also understand that there are sobs in both the House and Senate. Some of those sobs are Democrats. And they impede what Obama can accomplish.

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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:47 PM
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36. Sadly, your comment is one of the...
MOST INTELLIGENT comments I have seen posted on DU in a year or more! Thank-you!!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

:yourock: :fistbump: :pals: :hi: :toast: :)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:10 PM
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5. Who will providers pass what onto - if they take these folks at all?
Providers aren't going to just take reductions if they don't have to.

If there is wiggle room to catch back or benefit from these reductions they will.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:11 PM
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7. Krugman likes to light his hair on fire every other day. Anything to bash the President.
He never has the facts before he writes his scathing articles.
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:13 PM
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10. thank you. Love the crew that left the unmoderated Kos crazies.
DU mods - this is a hat tip to you!
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:15 PM
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12. "The cuts, if they automatically happen, would go to whom? The providers."
AND WHEN THE CUTS FOR THE PROVIDERS HAPPEN, WHERE DOES THAT LACK OF SERVICE TRICKLE DOWN TO!"

sorry for the all caps, but this writer is completely naive.

Here is the bottom line: Obama didn't "win" this negotiation. And the Repugs didn't "win" either. It is an overall bad deal for the public, instead of Spending (INVESTING) more to bring the economy back, Obama has followed the Republicans austerity plan. This is bad for America. This is BAD for the world economy.

From an outsider point of view, America looks like Washington can't lead. That lack of leadership brings lack of confidence in the US dollar. Who is the current leader of the United States? Obama. He get the blame for this. This is becoming his legacy. The Repugs are slowly chipping away at the Federal Government. That IS their plan. When the Repugs stall, cut and slash - it's hurts the Federal Government. That is WHAT they WANT to do! By acting irresponsibly, and making it difficult to spend (INVEST) in America... it makes the Federal Government look bad, and the appearance that the Federal Government "can't get anything done".

They want to drown the Federal Government in the bathtub!

When the Repubs CREATE a crisis, Obama should have just called them on it! Instead he followed down THEIR path. For 30 years the deficit never mattered! Dick Cheney even stated that deficits never matter! But now Obama thinks they matter, so he AGREES to go into austerity mode.

The Obama Plan is based on a FAILED economic theory... he thinks the trickle down Reagan approach works. The Rich are NOT the job creators!

Obama failed us. The Repugs snookered him again. The rich and the corporations got what they wanted!


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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:38 PM
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21. Actually nothing you've written here makes sense.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:16 PM
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14. The reason the Repukes are desperate for a Balanced Budget Amendment is
that after the Republicans are left holding their teabags in next year's election, a Democratic Congress, with a fiibuster-proof majority in the Senate, won't be tied to any of these agreements. The Republicans want to lock up the future, but they can't.

Their "revolution" has gone pffffffft. Now they have to defend being crazy and wanting to cut every social program, and killing public employee unions, and trying to end birth control, and opposing equal rights. They are doomed.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:24 PM
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17. the Democrats have 23 Senate seats up for election in 2012
the Republicans have 10.

The chances of the Republicans gaining control of the Senate are a lot more realistic than that of the Democrats getting a filibuster proof majority.


FYI
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:27 PM
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19. So true and dangerous! We are looking at an 85% chance of a TeaBagger Senate!
which will wreak havoc on past, present, and future legislation and appointments! This is scary! PBO can't get shit through now!


+++++++++ your post.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:39 PM
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22. If that were to happen, then we can't continue to complain when Obama is forced to compromise
with them. If we are already defeated, then what's the point.

They win because we let them!
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:37 PM
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20. The Democrats tend to lose elections beforehand due to posts like this.
The "sky is falling" meme that permeates this place at times is enough to demoralize anyone!

Instead of resorting to defeatist rhetoric, why not fight? Why not get out there and support progressive candidates?

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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:53 PM
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28. Why can't the poster point out reality AND support progressive candidates? Are those two things
mutually exclusive? Are you so impressionable & easy to sway that someone else's opinion 'demoralizes' you?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:28 PM
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38. Doesn't demoralize me at all. This is a message forum on a computer.
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 03:28 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
I don't allow it to affect my life, but the sentiment itself may affect others' lives.

Nothing wrong with pointing out reality. There's a lot wrong with being DEFEATIST!

Those are two different things!

Yes, cry and pout...whatever it takes to me you feel better, as long as at the end of the day, you get out and WORK!!!
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:30 PM
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49. it's not defeatist rhetoric, it's the reality that we face going into
the 2012 election. I think that unfounded optimism is far more damaging than facing the situation head on.

YMMV


ps - I did support a progressive candidate for my state's Senate seat in 2010. His name was Andrew Romanoff. It was a competitive primary, and in an unprecedented move, President Obama endorsed the sitting (and selected, not elected) Senator - Michael Bennet. Not only endorsed him, but raised money and used his OFA organization to campaign for him. I mention this because, in light of that, I find your "why not fight" imprecations rather hollow. More and more I see the sitting President as the biggest impediment to a progressive agenda in DC. It's getting damn hard to whip up any enthusiasm for him and his party.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 06:51 PM
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50. I for one have gotten out and worked. I'd just like a little help from Obama.
You write, "Why not get out there and support progressive candidates?" That would be a good question to ask Obama. If he had thrown all his support behind Joe Sestak, we might not have that Club for Growth cretin Toomey in the Senate.

Offhand, I can't remember a single seriously contested primary in which Obama (or the DNC, acting under his influence) supported the more progressive candidate. It was the very idea of running progressives that prompted that famous derisive comment by Obama's chief of staff -- "fucking retarded," I think was his view of it.

Also, progressive candidates would win more often if they could say things like "I voted to sustain President Obama's veto of the extension of the Bush tax cuts."

Nevertheless, I do agree with your general point about working to elect progressives. I expect to be doing that in 2012, as I did in 2008. The difference is that in 2008 I also gave some of my time to the Obama campaign. I won't have that distraction next time. He'll get my vote and that's it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:19 PM
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15. Krugman
is posturing, which he always seems to do when it comes to Obama.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:21 PM
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16. Where's the jobs!!!!!!
That is what the 2010 election was about. I don't see anything in the debt deal that encourages job growth. Tax cuts haven't worked and the unemployed were left out again.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:44 PM
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23. Uhhh...
This specific debate was about raising the debt ceiling. What you're referring to is budget. We haven't gotten them yet.

But, while we're on the subject, have you asked the Teabagging Republicans were the jobs bills are? I'm just curious. The House of Representatives control the budget and yet, there hasn't been one jobs bill put forth! The Republicans ran on jobs in 2010. There are no jobs bills?

Shouldn't you be directing this question at the 'Baggers? Or, too busy suffering from ODS?
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:53 PM
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29. It's a fuckin' DEBT DEAL. Ask Boehner where the jobs are. -nt
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:25 PM
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18. Gee, I wonder what bills those 12 members of the Supercongress will let out of the SuperCommittee
to achieve 'tax reform' and 'entitlement reform'? That the rest of both chambers can only vote up or down on? What a swell idea, to give twelve people that much power! What could go wrong?

Oh yeah, and cutting Medicare reimbursements to health care providers won't impact folks on Medicare at all. Doctors won't refuse to take new Medicare patients as a result, nope, uh-uh.

This Deaniac blog can heap all the scorn it wants to, in as over-the-top tone as it can muster, on people whose opinions differ from its own. But there's plenty in this proposed deal to be apprehensive about.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:48 PM
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24. You're right of course. This is not the perfect deal by a long shot.
Hell, the fact that we even had to deal in the first place should be most disconcerning.

Never before in the history of this great Republic have we been forced to cut a deal in order to raise the debt ceiling.

That, alone, should piss us off to the point that we all get out there and work to get more progressives in office.

I digress...

While it is true that the debt is far from perfect, considering the fact that the Teabaggers weren't going for ANY DEAl, it's the best we could get.

I'm thilled that the Big Three go unscathed for the moment.

And the Bush/Obama tax cut extension expires next year.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:49 PM
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25. He's an economist
a Nobel Prize winning one.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:31 PM
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40. But not a political scientist. And not a part of governing process. He's a commentator.
That's all.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:52 PM
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27. A rookie? Well, I'm with the rookie.
But I'm not a whiner -- no, I'm a loud complainer. And I will keep on shouting my disgust.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:56 PM
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30. Great information, but you'll get unrecs for being a meanie to Krugman.
;-)
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:33 PM
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42. Of course. I can deal with that. As long as some people read it. n/t
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:12 PM
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31. I find it mildly amusing that the OP expects to offer serious analysis using words and phrases like
"oh noes" and "back in the day" and "Everybody freak out".

The Op writes,
"Consistent With Past Practice, Sequester Would Be Divided Equally Between Defense and Non-Defense Programs and Exempt Social Security, Medicaid, and Low-Income Programs: Consistent with the bipartisan precedents established in the 1980s and 1990s, the sequester would be divided equally between defense and non-defense program, and it would exempt Social Security, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, programs for low-income families, and civilian and military retirement. Likewise, any cuts to Medicare would be capped and limited to the provider side.

Read that again."

What a thorough bit of wordsmithing to obscure bad information and misdirect.

In the end, I much prefer the educated reasoning and insight provided by Prof. Krugman over the OP. Maybe if the OP would rewrite this as a rap song I would like it more.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:14 PM
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32. You mean Krugman eloquence and insight like this:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/01/barack-obama-comedian/

THAT is how he chooses to use media space?

He's slipping.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:32 PM
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41. It's a blog post, not written for a newspaper. Plus, I didn't write it. Deaniac did.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:26 PM
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33. Absolutely right: the triggers are a catastrophe for Republicans
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 02:29 PM by alcibiades_mystery
I'm fine with watching the Left explode in anger today. Patience is a virtue. In six months time, what we'll see is that Obama set a time bomb in the GOP caucus, and it's going tick tock tick tock tick tock...

Indeed, the smart Republicans even already recognize it, and they're desperately trying to spin it. It's too bad our smart progressives don't see it. We'll show them later, in "I told you so" mode.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:38 PM
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34. "cuts to Medicare would be capped and limited to the provider side."
The Money Quote! :applause:


:kick:
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:33 PM
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43. What? A fact? nt
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:51 PM
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37. Remember Christine McVie? Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.
Oh God. Yes. Gimme some shit to make it seem better. Any crap will do. Just don't make me face what I know to be true.

Make it convoluted and twisty. Let me get lost in the parsing of sentences. Pray save me from the truth that I know so well, but don't want to acknowledge.
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:28 PM
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39. There's a reason Krugman is paid well to be a pundit, and this guy is not.
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 03:29 PM by jeff47
"The cuts, if they automatically happen, would go to whom? The providers. Who are these providers? Doctors, hospitals, clinics, Medical device makers, service providers, drug manufacturers"

And they'd keep providing services because......?

And Grandma would not take her rage out on the White House because......?

Krugman also understands that any cuts at all harm the economy. And the crappy economy is the only reason the Republicans have a chance in 2012. These cuts, no matter how insignificant you try to make them out to be, make it harder for Obama to win reelection and easier for a Republican. All for a phony crisis that could have been legally ignored.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:45 PM
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44. Paul Krugman is a pundit? Really? I thought he was an economist.
Deaniac is a blogger and a mighty fine one, too!
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:06 PM
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45. You become a pundit when they start inviting you on the Sunday shows. (nt)
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:27 PM
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46. You are a pundit, then, with little credibility because all you do is spew
your opinion on subjects. Oftentimes that opinion means shit unless you're directly involved in the governing process. I love how these so-called "pundits" have all the answers but can't tell us how to get anything passed through the U.S. House of Representatives.

Until Krugman provides the master plan for dealing with these Teabagging freaks, I'll take what he says seriously. Until then, he's just another shill.
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:34 PM
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47. You must not read Krugman's blog then, since he did provide the plan you're seeking. (nt)
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:11 PM
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51. Of course this type doesn't read Krugman.
When I taught English, we always had parents who wanted to ban books because their preacher told them it was bad. Those parents had never read the book. They don't read what they are told not to read.

The word is out that Krugman sometimes has bad words about Obama, so he is banned from that group's list. They don't read it. They just attack the writer. They can't attack the ideas because a) they haven't read it, and b) had they read it, there is not attacking truth and logic. So. Attack the messenger.
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:45 PM
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48. Krugman is NOT a POLITICIAN AT ALL. People need to grow up and learn that it's not his
job to be a politician.

If weather were an issue for a task and you had to transport something, but the meteorologist recommends something that does not work logistically for you, then what do you say, "he's no ___"


Krugman's expertise is on economics, not politics - just because economic realities don't fit with political does not mean he should not explain the economic ones.

Seriously people, come one, we're better than the freepers, Jesus.
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tweeternik Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:31 PM
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52. Bingo!! We have a winner! K&R!!!
refreshing to read a post from someone who "gets it"!! :applause:
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:46 PM
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53. Outstanding!
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:53 PM
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54. deaniac, rootless, TIMT - all epitomize the purge at Kos and the takeover
by the crazies.

These guys are great! Kos lost!
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