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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:55 AM
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"It was a game of chicken in which one side didn’t want to crash and the other didn’t care"
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 08:57 AM by babylonsister
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/plenty_of_blame_to_go_around031221.php

August 01, 2011 9:15 AM
Plenty of blame to go around

By Steve Benen


John Cole said something interesting last night, which I found compelling: “You don’t ‘win’ a hostage crisis. You resolve it.”

That seems right to me. The debt deal reached yesterday offers practically nothing in the way of redeeming qualities, and no one involved in the process should walk away feeling good about themselves or the system that led to the agreement. Assuming this deal passes — an assumption that may yet be premature — the question then turns to who deserves the blame.

Right now, my sense is most of the rage on the left is being directed at President Obama for, to use John’s frame, resolving the hostage crisis by meeting many of the criminals’ demands. And if you’re looking for me to defend the deal the White House agreed to, you’re going to be disappointed.

But if I’m making a list of people who’ve disgusted me in this process, I’m inclined to put Republicans at the top. It was the radicalized Republican Party that took the nation hostage. It was the radicalized Republican Party that threatened to crash the economy on purpose unless Democrats met their demands. It was the radicalized Republican Party that refused to compromise. It was the radicalized Republican Party that launched the most dangerous stunt in generations, putting the world in jeopardy. It was the radicalized Republican Party that normalized extortion politics, changing the very nature of governing.

Am I supposed to be angrier with the radicals who held a gun to our heads, or those who prevented them from pulling the trigger?


The New York Times’ Jeff Zeleny said today President Obama “can no longer make the argument that he has changed the way Washington works.” For crying out loud, has anyone actually seen what GOP extremists have done to American politics?

The president’s critics, of course, aren’t saying Obama was wrong to prevent a catastrophe; they’re saying Obama could have averted a disaster more effectively, by giving up less and meeting fewer Republican demands.

This is not without merit. As many have noted over the last 24 hours, the president might have been able to push for a debt-ceiling increase last December (though it may have necessitated another in 2012). He might have bluffed on the 14th Amendment and the “Constitutional Option,” even if he perceived the tack as illegitimate, just for the sake of leverage. He might have been as stubborn and inflexible as his rivals, and then when the economy collapsed, blamed them.

And why didn’t the president do this? Jonathan Cohn’s assessment sounds right to me.

My guess is that he pursued this strategy because he didn’t want to poison the atmosphere for negotiations and believed (genuinely, accurately) that moderate entitlement cuts should be part of a balanced deficit reduction agreement. But the atmosphere was poisoned from the start and Republicans were never going to support a balanced agreement. He was trying to do the right thing when it was not possible to do the right thing. It may not have made for bad politics, but it certainly made for bad policy.


In this sense, Obama’s mistake wasn’t about strength or ideology; it was underestimating at the outset what the GOP is capable of. The president thought if he were responsible, Republicans would be responsible. If he made concessions, they’d make concessions. If he persuaded the American mainstream, this would have some sort of effect on the process.

He thought for a while, in other words, the madman with the gun to our heads was open to compromise and was willing to be sensible. He was very wrong.

Greg Sargent noted yesterday, “If Dems had refused to budge from the demand for a clean hike, would Republicans have blinked — or would they have allowed default? The bottom line is Dems weren’t prepared to take that risk.”

Right, and Republicans were. It was a game of chicken in which one side didn’t want to crash and the other didn’t care. The GOP convinced everyone the party wasn’t bluffing — these guys really are that dangerously crazy. Their concern for the national interest really is that weak.

When it comes to pointing fingers, it’s a realization that’s worth keeping in mind.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:47 AM
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1. don't know the author, but seems like a pretty good summary
k and r
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:59 AM
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2. Once again, Benen gets it right.
Rec.
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:06 AM
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3. K&R
It's a shared blame. More to Republicans without absolving Dems or President Obama.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:18 AM
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4. KnR. n/t
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:20 AM
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5. K&R
The left deserves to be outraged at for not being outraged at Republicans.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:11 PM
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13. who the fuck says...
the left isn't outraged at republicans?
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:11 PM
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15. +1 n/t
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DaveofCali Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:02 PM
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6. December 2010: Republicans were willing to have the unemployed to suffer...
So when is Obama going to stand up to the terrorists?
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:06 PM
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7. You OK with a little collateral damage?
That's what'll happen when you "stand up" to terrorists who are willing to shoot their hostage. You OK with that, as long as the hostage isn't someone you know?
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:57 AM
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20. The problem is that the hostages
are getting shot either way, the way it went down. The main difference is whether the police walk in and shoot a few hostages first, to prove they are negotiating in good faith, or whether they stay back and try to find a way to sniper out the terrorists.

This ain't Hawaii 5-0. McGarret can't just walk in and calm the madman, and coax him out to a peaceful resolution. The Tea Party is gonna do their damnedest to shoot some hostages. Obama seems to believe that shooting the hostages first is going to save lives and make friends. It is baffling
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:19 PM
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8. K&R
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:37 PM
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9. Spot on
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:40 PM
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10. Obama cares about people and their plight, the teahadists would send them off a cliff nt
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:48 PM
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11. Good analysis. Now, knowing what he knows now, how will Obama go forward.
OK we now know that the Tea Party people are perfectly willing to send the country into Great Depression II in order to get their way. How does the President, an ultimately sane man who believes in reason and compromise, go forward with this.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:56 PM
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12. The key is not being put in the situation in the first place
I'm think Obama and a lot of us severely underestimated in tea party insanity when the Bush tax cuts got extended they should've done the debt ceiling as well.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:05 PM
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14. The most relevant point of the day. Thanks for posting this. nt
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:29 PM
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16. Or they just make you think they didn't care
The Republicans have a vested interest in making us think that the tea-nut congresscritters actually don't care about the ramifications of any of these things. Just because they say that they don't care if the country defaults doesn't make it true. Often times, that sort of thing is just bluffing.

Granted, I still don't really understand what Obama caved in on here. It looks like both sides just backed away from this in a manner that allows each side to blame it on the other.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:15 AM
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17. K & R.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 06:47 AM
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18. Perhaps he did understand
and needed to point out to the more business centered republicans that the tea party fringe would in fact and with certainty crash the economy. He needed the business centered republicans to capitulate, walk away from the tea party fringe and do business. The usual "chamber of commerce" republican could not manage to see a default as a potentially "good thing" like the tea partiers, and this needed to be pointed out.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:01 AM
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19. So Obama is merely naive rather than feckless? Small consolation now.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:32 PM
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21. Kick because people need to see this!
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