Reid: "Entitlements, oh they want entitlements" on CNN now

[flamingdem]

"The process has not been moved forward"

Shhhhhiiii....

The repukes want default.

AND: "it's a filibuster, they won't let us have an up or down vote" - Reid

He is asking for an up or down vote.

[sasha031]

1. what is the POTUS going to do

[flamingdem]

3. If they want default, wow, we'll see nt

[Syrinx]

2. "Social Security and Medicare, oh they want to kill Social Security and Medicare"

There, I fixed it for Harry.

[flamingdem]

4. Yes, that would have been better nt

[crazylikafox]

5. of course they do. That's the plan.

Mitch has wanted to get Obama's name attached to entitlement "reform" since this started. That's been his plan since this started. He needs to diffuse the "Kill Medicare" bill the House passes a few months ago. We'll see if the Dems hang tough. I don't think that Obama will.

[flamingdem]

6. So you think it's about the Ryan Medicare mistake... nt

[crazylikafox]

18. Yep. Mitch has been looking for a way out ever since.

I think he see's an opportunity here, & he'll take it if he can blackmail the president into taking the deal.

[safeinOhio]

19. Ryan's plan won't mean anything

with a cap. That would end MC and SS completely.

[woolldog]

7. Obama put them on the table

bluff or no bluff and it only whet the GOPs appetite.

[flamingdem]

9. When medicare, SS is discussed they MUST describe it as tweaks not benefit reduction or

medicare age eligibility. Raising the cap and getting rid of waste/fraud/inefficiency should be all they mean.

I think it's a messaging issue, because they know that would kill them in 2012, as it is killing the repukes who voted for Ryan.

[texanwitch]

11. You would think he would have learned by now.

You don't deal with bullies.

I was not surprised that he did this, anything to look like a victory.

[woolldog]

15. You don't dangle raw meat in front of lion at the zoo

It might still bite your arm off, even if you were only bluffing.

[texanwitch]

16. Yep.

Lions have teeth and are not afraid to use them.

[flamingdem]

17. I think I see sharks, lions are too noble nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. So, Reid and Pelosi went to see Obama, and there's no deal on SSI and Medicare

Where's this mythical cave?

[flamingdem]

10. No cave, but possibly no way to agree either

... disarray. The repukes want to pin this on Obama

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. OK, so Obama caves if there's a deal, and fails if there's not a deal

Now I understand.

:eyes:

[flamingdem]

14. The rethugs excel at evil and no doubt have lots of advice from Rove or Rove-like strategists

for all we know this has been in the works for a very long time.

[bullimiami]

13. There are no entitlements. We pay for everything up front. SS and Medicare.

The "government" generates no income. They take it from us.

The rich and connected have long been making money off of government contracts and inside deals. Thats entitlement.

[louslobbs]

22. Exactly bullimiami, I refuse to use Republican/Frank Luntz terminology to make earned benefits that

Americans have paid for, sound like something nefarious, like "entitlements." The Republicans try to make it sound like someone is getting something for nothing or someone's taking something that belongs to someone else. I know it's easy to do, but we must not adopt Republican speak or their re branding of things to benefit their agenda to confuse people.
Lou

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[ThoughtCriminal]

21. "t's a filibuster" - two words...

Nuclear Option. Make that three words:

Today.