If Obama Agrees to Cuts in SS and Medicare WITHOUT Immediate Tax Hikes, Then He Should Be Primaried

[Yavin4]

and I will no longer support him. No more money from me. No more work. Nothing. I will use my money, time, and energy to support other true Progressives like Grayson, Russ Feingold, and hopefully Elizabeth Warren in Mass.

The money I had pledged to Obama's re-election will now go to the recall efforts in Wisconsin.

That is a horrible, epic cave in to Republicans because he knows damn well that they WILL NEVER, EVER raise taxes in the future. It just won't happen.

[HockeyMom]

1. Yes, it has to occur at the SAME TIME

No closing loopholes in the FUTURE. No eliminating Bush tax cuts on millionaires in the FUTURE. If the SS, Medicare, Medicaid cuts happen NOW, then the taxes happening NOW too.

I agree, if this isn't done, then it is not a compromise. The Republicans get everything THEY want. How are we to know that the tax increases will NEVER happen?

Yes, primary challenge if doesn't happen. Personally, I would draft BERNIE, or someone with his you know what.

[onenote]

2. By whom?

[Yavin4]

7. Don't Give A Shit

Anyone if that deal goes down.

[stevenleser]

18. Joe Lieberman is willing to run, I'm sure. n/t

[Maven]

32. Not likely. Obama is his protege.

[stevenleser]

35. No, he's not his "protege" he was the guy Obama was assigned. And Lieberman almost joined McCain's

ticket. That is how much Lieberman thought of Obama. THe two are not ideologically comperable.

[woolldog]

3. the bush tax cuts are set to expire in 2012

anyway. So basically Dems would be giving into cuts to the big 3 in exchange for what exactly? Nothing.

I will just stop voting if this goes through. I'm so disenchanted with the political process.

[Yavin4]

5. And The Tax Cuts Won't Expire in 2012

That is bullshit as well.

[denverbill]

8. Guaranteed. "Oh we can't increase taxes in a recession!" Deficit? What deficit? n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

24. Yup

I can see that cave-in already.

You know it's coming.

[bvar22]

28. The same can be said about the "Temporary" Payroll Tax Holiday...

...which FUNDS Social Security.

No WAY the "Centrist" democrats are going to Raise Taxes in an election year.

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Cherish your memories, SUCKERS!
because we're TAKING everything else!
Hahahahahahaha!

[obxhead]

4. I don't care if Obama gets every citizen a unicorn

that shits rainbows in their back yard.

Cuts to medicare/medicaid or SS should not be tolerated regardless of the gains.

[Yavin4]

6. I Don't Think That Most People Fully Understand How Vital SS and Medicare Really Are

You will not be able to get health insurance when you are old, unless you're a billionaire. Those programs are literally life lines for millions of Americans. Without them, people will die.

[vi5]

9. Sure you will!

They have to cover you because the Affordable Care Act says they have to. And let's not forget, that was a "big fucking deal".

Never mind that you'll have to pay thousands of dollars a month, on a limited, presumably retiree budget to get that insurance, which will likely cover next to nothing. You'll be insured!! That's the important thing.

Well, I take that back. The important thing is that Obama gets lots of credit for being bipartisan and reasonable and "historic" and grand. Clearly that's what's really important. But you get the idea.

[obxhead]

20. Not only will you be able to, you'll be forced to.

Raising the age for medicaid would be yet another boom for the for profit insurance industry.

[Still Waters]

34. If Repubs sweep in 2012 "Obamacare" will likely be repealed--unless it really is such a gift

to the insurance companies that they demand it be left in place

[styersc]

25. Not only should he be primaried, but he should lose the primary!!

I've made excuses for him for two and a half years. No More. Anyone who is duped by this fraud is as much a part of the problem as he is!!!!!

[MissDeeds]

27. +1

[Hell Hath No Fury]

10. Sorry, that should read:

"If Obama Agrees to Cuts in SS and Medicare Then He Should Be Primaried."

[SnoopDog]

11. I was thinking the same thing...

The only legitimate changes to SS and Medicare are to make it better.

The American People want these programs. It is up to our Government to make these programs better and sustainable.
Any one who messes adversely to these programs should be run out of office and tarred and feathered.

[Lorien]

12. Agreed. SS adds nothing to the deficit and HE SHOULD BE SAYING AS MUCH!

Obama should be talking about how UNEMPLOYMENT, the WARS, and TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH have added to the deficit. Such massive omissions to the debate make the entire debate an outright lie.

[JohnnyRingo]

13. Too late for a primary challenge

No one who shares your views has stepped up and assembled a campaign and it'll never happen now. An incumbent is hard enough to defeat in a general election and no one in their right mind will spend the money and time to collect a few protest votes in a challenge. Though it would be an effective point that many democrats are unhappy with a president who isn't far enough to the left, it's an expensive point to make.

Now your only choice is to withhold support and your vote in 2012 and hope a Republican president will appease liberals and carry out a progressive term of office.
You aren't alone, many democrats are working on the same well thought out plan.

[Robbins]

14. Problem

A democratic Primary gurantees Romney or bachmann In the white House come January 20 2013.Sorry but no President In recent history
has faced a primary challenge and won

Johnson dropped out after primary challenge In 1968

Ford just barely held off Reagan In 1976 and lost to Carter

Carter had primary challenge from Kennedy and lost to Reagn In 1980

Bush beat out a challenge from Buchanan In 1992 and lost to Clinton

A primary challenge weakens the Democrats.And we face a nightmare sceniro of Romney or Bachmann elected preisdent,Republicans
keeping the house with Bohener or Cantor as Speaker,and Republicans taking the senate with Mcconnell as Majority Leader.Just Imagne
the damage that will be done to the country under this.

[Yavin4]

15. So What. If He Gives Up SS and Medicare, Then He's No Better Than A Republican

No better.

[Robbins]

16. Well

Things can get a lot worse.

Let me be clear here.I don't support this so called deal.And If It goes through he gets no more money from me.

[Recursion]

17. Nope

Just not true.

[JohnnyRingo]

26. I disagree

You minimize the disaster of republican rule.
How soon we forget what eight years of a Texas Governor in the White House wrought for the country. Is Obama really on that same level?

I understand your anger, but to state that Obama is no better than anyone in the current line-up of Republican candidates is astounding.

[dflprincess]

37. And you're assuming that, if Obama gets a second term

and he no longer has to consider reelection and throwing Democratic voters a few crumbs, that he won't move even further to right. I don't trust him and I don't trust that he won't do as much damage as any Republican.

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[newblewtoo]

21. why things would be just peaches and cream

Sorry for the sarcasm at your expense but I really think he would be far worse. He was constrained by a Democratic Majority in Massachusetts which would likely not be the case if he won.

[Robbins]

23. Yep

He has flipflopped to a conservative Republican.Anything the Republican Congress passes he will sign.He will support the Ryan Plan.
He will appoint antiGay and Antichoice judges to the courts and the Supreme court.More tax cuts for the wealthy and more gutting on
social programs with Increase In Defense spending.We will be headed towards another economic meltdown.

[Tiggeroshii]

22. It's getting to the point where that option shouldn't be questioned.

Unless he grows the balls to finally tell Boehner to fuck off and uses his powers appropriately, it's time people start to seriously consider challenging him.

[Politicalboi]

29. Unfortunately, I agree

I don't want any cuts for the poor and if he gives them what they want over our wishes, he must be one of them.

[Leontius]

30. If Obama cuts Social Security period, he deserves to lose the

Presidency.

[woo me with science]

31. So now we are at a point where Dems are supposed to be grateful for cuts in SS and Medicare

as long as we get some revenue increases, too.

We need a primary.

[Fearless]

33. Yes. Regardless of outcome.

[stevenleser]

36. You're not hurting Obama, you are hurting yourself by doing this. n/t

[Thrill]

38. Never thought I would see the day a Democratic President would even

consider cuts to those programs.

I just feel through with Politics.

[treestar]

39. So Republicans should win?