For anyone interested, here are the ratings numbers for Rev. Sharpton and Cenk Uygur

[EffieBlack]

Sharpton's Ratings July 5 - July 20th
(each point represents 1,000 viewers)

7/20 - 166 (2nd)
7/19 - 173 (2nd)
7/18 - 177 (2nd)
7/15 - 160 (2nd)
7/14 - 200 (2nd)
7/13 - 176 (2nd)
7/12 - 180 (2nd)
7/11 - 204 (3rd)
7/8 - 177 (2nd)
7/7 - 115 (4th)
7/6 - 153 (4th)
7/5 - 144 (4th)

Average Rating - 169


Uygur's Ratings June 10 - June 24th

6/24 - 96 (4th)
6/23 - 144 (3rd)
6/22 - 113 (3rd)
6/21 - 154 (3rd)
6/20 - 131 (3rd)
6/17 - 165 (3rd)
6/16 - 205 (3rd)
6/15 - 155 (3rd)
6/14 - 167 (3rd)
6/13 - 180 (3rd)
6/10 - 139 (3rd)

Average rating - 149


Uygur's Ratings 1/31 - 2/4 (at the beginning of his tenure as host)

1/31 - 146 (3rd)
2/1 - 153 (3rd)
2/2 - 140 (3rd)
2/3 - 111 (4th)
2/4 - 99 (3rd)

Average rating - 130

Source: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/category/ratings

People will still differ over the choice to replace Uygur with Rev. Sharpton, but I hope this at least stops the arguing over the ratings numbers.

[cyberpj]

1. But Sharpton is new; those numbers could change. ALTHOUGH - I think his name alone brings in more

too and that's a good thing!

Tx for posting.

[Dawgs]

2. Ha!

:eyes:

[bahrbearian]

3. I still prefer Uygur over Sharpton , but why can't we have both.

[wndycty]

5. You can have both, but Uygur made the choice for you not to have both. . .

. . .he was offered another slot, but since he didn't get the one he wanted he walked.

You cannot deny it.

Even Uygur admits he was not fired or forced out, he acknowledges he left on his own accord.

You can have both, but it was Uygur's ego that is denying you that option.

[rhett o rick]

6. That's crap. They offered him more money to step into the shadows. They tried

to buy him off with money. They have lots of that. Cenk was to outspoken for "Washington".

[wndycty]

12. Sharpton's ratings were better than Cenk's. MSNBC is not obligated to keep him employed. . .

. . .if someone is doing a better job in meeting their objectives they'd be foolish not to reward that person and demote, if not fire, the person who is mediocre.

Cenk's ratings were mediocre.

[rhett o rick]

13. Why do you think it necessary to tear down Cenk? Is he that threatening? I can see why Repubs dont

like him. Maybe it's his tone. You can have your Al Sharpton.

[wndycty]

17. I am threatened by him, I would have been fine if he stayed at MSNBC but . . .

. . .those crying like he was treated unfairly need to get over themselves. Olbermann was treated unfairly, he had the ratings to back him up, Cenk didn't.

Folks need to get over themselves.

[rhett o rick]

21. So you think Cenk is lying in the video. He made the story up. That his rating didnt improve over

Big Ed from last year? You are saying that you are convinced that MSNBC wanted him to move purely because of ratings. You believe MSNBC over Cenk?

By the way, what do you mean by: "Folks need to get over themselves"?

[wndycty]

25. I never saw the video but the ratings were even better with Sharpton

:kick:

[rhett o rick]

26. At least watch the view before you judge. nm

[otohara]

27. That's Right

broadcasting is a brutal business, it's a ratings game and as you can see, the reverend is getting better numbers.

Cenk is no more outspoken than Ed Schultz, Lawrence O'Donnell (who went after NBC during Trump) or Al Sharpton.

No one will remember a month from now.

[Armstead]

7. Why do you automaticaly assume it was ego?

Did it ever even remotely occur to you that he might have actually meant it when he said he didn't want to take the offer because it would have been contradictory to his principles and beliefs?

If he were just ego-driven, he would have taken the deal, enjoyed the money and perks and also "saved face" by remaining on the network in another capacity.

But I guess he's just one of those "EMOs" so he can;t possibly do anything for the right reasons.

[bahrbearian]

8. OK Cenk we have another slot for you one day a week and you have to wear this Muzzel

upon edit
Sharpton doesn't need a muzzel as long as he keeps cheering.

[rhett o rick]

11. And we will give you lots of money. nm

[bahrbearian]

16. So the money must not be that important for him.

[Raine]

18. Cenk didn't want to be forced to have on more repubs

and take more money to do it. I guess principle means nothing to you.

edit:typo

[vaberella]

19. Don't you find that a weak and stupid excuse?! I mean really STUPID excuse.

I say this because if Cenk is really trying to make a point. Don't you want to have more Repubs on your show so you can break down their rhetoric and show how absolutely stupid, wrong, and hypocritical they truely are?! Don't feed me this bullshit excuse of, "forced to have on more repubs" <---Shit, Rachel is begging for more Repubs, because Repubs are afraid of her and how stupid and accusatory she is against them and they can't fight her off. Yet, you actually support this absurd explanation by Cenk as though he has a point. That's nothing to do with principle. He's giving you weak sauce and you're acting like it's demi-glace.

[rhett o rick]

23. Did you even watch the video? Why are you tearing down Cenk? What's your motive? nm

[vaberella]

29. Oh I heard it. I didn't buy it. It was outlandish claims as compared to Rachel. As I said here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x716427#716433

[Tx4obama]

34. Oh come on. A slot on the weekend is like being stuck in the back alley.

No one watches MSNBC on the weekends when all those prison shows are on.

[Tarheel_Dem]

4. Thank You Effie, and I admire your hope for DU re: "arguing".

Unlike Cenk Uygur, the numbers don't lie. ;)

[EffieBlack]

9. Apparently, I was much too optimistic

This is unbelievable.

[Armstead]

10. What's unbelievable?

People saying they prefer one over the other? Or speculating on what the numbers might reflect? Or suggesting that they should have both guys?

It is helpful of you to dig those up and post them. But you shouldn't be shocked when people still express differing opinions about it.

[rhett o rick]

14. Maybe if Cenk just fixed his "tone". We cant have an uppity Democrat with that kinda tone. nm

[vaberella]

31. Democrat? He's shown himself a Liberal Libertarian...if that.

Saying Obama would be a better President if he was like Reagan, says a lot about the man.

[theaocp]

15. Now that Cenk's done,

let's see Sharpton carry the show on his own. How long until he gets a contract? How long until the producers have trouble booking more Republicans because he interrupts them after three words? Cenk was there for six months and did everything asked of him. I wonder how Sharpton would act with Republicans in charge? My guess is sucking up to power, a la Tweety. Cenk doesn't roll that way, no matter what the haters say.

[vaberella]

20. Sharpton is excellent. n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. People need to remember that show business is, in fact, a business

[rhett o rick]

24. You are right. Rating have nothing to do with it. When Washington doesnt like the tone,

sponsors will start dropping. Just like when Phil Donahue got fired. He was leading in the ratings but Washington didnt like his tone. It was bad for business. GE wanted the war and made billions.

you are right freddie, ratings dont matter at all.

[vaberella]

30. That's BS. Sharpton is the King of Controversial.

How are you buying this kool-aid. Sharpton has been controversial for decades and probably created the terminology and rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Shit. People think he's racist against Whites. Why would Washington---full of teabaggers not push for Sharpton to be taken out, more so than Cenk. Cenk is a little fish in the sea of controversial. Sharpton is massive and has a lot of enemies in Washington. You're conspiracy theory is BS here too.

[Freddie Stubbs]

35. Donahue's ratings were in the basement:

Donahue: 439,000
Connie Chung: 970,000
O'Reilly: 2,700,000

[angee_is_mad]

28. Thank you!!!!!

Kick and recommend.

[BluegrassDem]

32. African-Americans are probably helping with Al's increased ratings as well

which is good for MSNBC in trying to attract a more diverse crowd.

[Tarheel_Dem]

36. And I say it's high time. A demographic that has been sorely underrepresented in primetime.

:thumbsup:

[Empowerer]

38. Hear, hear!

Unfortunately, some folks think that the only desirable demographic is a rather homogeneous group. However, the existing and potential audiences are much broader and all of the cable networks do themselves a service by reaching out to them.

And, just as important, the audience, whatever race, will benefit by being exposed to a more diverse group of hosts and commentators.

[Tarheel_Dem]

39. Thank You. Sadly, the models that have been successful so far have been...

ones that cater to extremes. I mean, what's the point of having another Fox? If I want to hear the president and Democrats battered relentlessly, I'd just watch Fox or CNN. It's like Jane Hamsher's writing the scripts for the right & the left. Which, of course, is how she makes her money. ;)

[Empowerer]

40. I agree

It's interesting to watch some liberals complain that MSNBC is not providing them the rabid echo chamber that FOX provides to conservatives. I think we are much smarter than that. We do not need to hear our own opinions parrotted back to us at the loudest possible decibels. As an intelligent, discerning person, I much prefer to hear rational discussions, cogent arguments and workable solutions. All of this is for naught if we don't convince more people to see things our way. And this means giving people who disagree with us reason to listen to our perspective - and we can't do that by yelling at them and telling them they're stupid, mean or hateful if they don't agree with us or see things our way. Unfortunately, that seems to be what some people what MSNBC talk shows to be all about.

I don't want to watch a left-wing FOX since I think a big problem with FOX, in addition to its ideology, is its tone, which debases the process, the conversation and everyone involved in it.

[Tx4obama]

33. Sharpton's ratings have NOTHING to do with it. Cenk was told of the change b4 Al filled in for him.

And if you are going to look at ratings go back a bit further and show the days that Cenk beat CNN and Fox News in the 18=35 year old demographic. Don't just cherry-pick ratings that agree with your point of view.

[Vinca]

37. I don't really care. I'll watch whoever I find most interesting.

If Cenk happened to go on Current opposite Rev. Al, I'd most likely watch Cenk. I like Rev. Al, but think he's kind of dull as a host.

[polichick]

41. Interesting. I do miss Cenk but love how Sharpton never lets Republicans...

...get away with their lies.

(Cenk didn't let them either)