Leaving aside theatrics, what were the substantive policy differences today? Details here.

[jefferson_dem]

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Lost in the rush to frame the dramatic conclusion of Wednesday meetings was word of the actual substance of the talks. According to several attendees, negotiations stalled from the onset over the same issues that have proved irresolvable. Working off of talks that had been spearheaded by Vice President Joseph Biden, the president said he would be comfortable signing off on northward of $1.5 trillion in discretionary spending and mandatory spending cuts. With additional negotiations, he added, he could move that figure up to $1.7 trillion, and with a willingness to consider revenue increases and tax loophole closures, he added, lawmakers could get to over $2 trillion. His preference, he said, was to continue to push for the biggest package possible, so long as it was balanced.

Cantor, who has taken over the mantel of chief Republican negotiator from Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), responded by insisting that revenues were off the table and that without steeper cuts, the votes likely didn't exist to pass anything but a smaller, more temporary package. House Republicans needed the administration to go to a higher number, he added.

To which the president responded: "It is easy to get to a higher number when you are not asking anything difficult from yourself. "

From there, the friction remained. When the White House pushed for an extension of unemployment insurance as part of the final package, Republicans objected. The White House was forced to explain that it would be off-setting that extension with cuts elsewhere. When the president pushed to lock in savings from cuts to the Department of Defense, Republicans objected again; this time, they were joined by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who urged (conversely) for the president to go further in pulling savings out of the Pentagon.

According to a Democratic official, the most contentious debate came when talks turned to discretionary spending, and, specifically, whether to count long-term savings based on current spending baselines or by tying them to inflation. Republicans wanted the former. It was, the official said, a debate over the "measurements of savings as opposed to the savings themselves."

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/obama-debt-ceiling-meeting_n_897834.html

[robinlynne]

1. Hang on. Obama offered 1.7 trillion in cost cuts, and .3 in tax revenue?

Why are people shouting victory?
Because his offer was refused?
I'm getting lost here.

[Parker CA]

2. Curious about this too. That definitely stood out.

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. His offer is supposed to be refused

Keep up.

[robinlynne]

4. Why then didnt he offer 4 trillion in tax increases? no cuts. That would be refused.

That would be a good plan for the country.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. Because that would have looked as if he, rather than the GOPers,

was being unreasonable.

Here's the premise: The GOP is going to refuse ANY revenue increasing measures. Got it? Good.

So, you can offer them 80% spending cuts and 20% revenue increasing measures. What will the result be? Refer to the premise.

If you know how it's going to go, why not offer them $1.7 in cuts and ask .3 in revenue. See the premise again. Howe about 1.8 in cuts, and .2 in revenue. Please see the premise. How about 1.9 in cuts, and only .1 in revenue? See the premise.

What is the cumulative effect of this: The GOP looks like fanatics, while Obama looks like he's bending over backwards to make a deal. And if you know they are not going to accept anything, but that their corporate backers will absolutely insist that default be avoided, what happens?

He's not negotiating with the GOP. He's producing a demonstration of GOP intransigence for the public. These are two different actions that shouldn't be mistaken. McConnell finally glommed on to what the project was, and is desperately trying to avoid it. The WH revved it up some more with today's Cantor incident. We will see how it plays.

[robinlynne]

6. We will soon find out. I hope you are right. I am still afraid Obama will make cuts.

IT is now seen as "inevitable". Let's hope I am wrong.