Could Cuomo primary Obama in 2012?

[Cronus Protagonist]

To me, he looks and sounds like the man we thought we elected last time.

[Mz Pip]

1. He should run

in 2016.

[Lisa D]

2. He might be a contender in 2016

He's too smart to primary Obama in 2012.

[SDuderstadt]

4. As he should be n/t

[jefferson_dem]

3. You or I "could" primary Obama.

Will he? Actually, we are as likely to primary Obama as is Cuomo.

Should he? Of course not...unless your goal is to weaken the Democratic nominee.

In 2016? Now there's a topic for discussion.

[ruggerson]

5. He's got a very good shot

at being our nominee in '16.

But that is a lifetime away.

[annabanana]

6. Please see what his best budget solutions are.

(hint: He is not his Father)

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. He did essentially what Walker did to public workers did in terms of specifics

But of course that's being represented as "well, not so bad," since he got something we want in return for it.

Cuomo horse-traded for Marriage Equality. That he sold the middle class down the river on many of these trade-offs is clear enough, but appears invisible in the wake of the celebrations. Indeed, what he did is not that different from Obama sacrificing the expiration of the Bush tax cuts to get DADT repeal passed, though he's shit on for that non-stop here. It's quite telling.

[vaberella]

55. Koch money does that to people. n/t

[hedgehog]

63. My relative who is a state worker is enraged with Cuomo for locking

their salaries for 5 years. I am ambivalent. I want to see how things play out. New York is in trouble and it shouldn't be.

[pnwmom]

19. Yeah, it's funny to see so many DUers adoring him now

after hating him almost since he's been in office.

[Solomon]

86. Every time somebody says something we like, s/he's

immediate presidential material, because, after all, Obama is the only politican in history who acts different once he's in office. The others will be the same no matter what.

[AnnieBW]

7. I'd like to see O'Malley run in 2016, too

Martin O'Malley of Maryland has done a great job keeping Maryland solvent. His term will just about be up in 2016, if not already over. I'd love to see him run for President.

[Orangepeel]

36. O'Malley's term is up in 2014

so the timing is good. :-) I hope O'Malley runs, too, but he could take a lesson from Cuomo on how to push bills he cares about though the legislature, which was practically useless this session.

[madinmaryland]

73. I'd love to see O'Malley run in 2016, also. He has kept this state on an even keel

throughout the recession.

[BlueMTexpat]

84. Me too! nt

[OHdem10]

8. How committed is he to the working class and poor?????

[vaberella]

12. I think he's very devoted. However---getting massive donations from the Koch Bro. doesn't help.

I think he received $87,000 in donations from them. I was very disappointed and he's got a lot of ties to a lot of right wing freaks last I read. I was pretty pissed off about it, since I love Cuomo's but I can't deny it.

[AtomicKitten]

15. Right you are. I wasn't aware of this.

"Andrew Cuomo has a $92,000 Koch problem."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/49640293/Cuomo-s-Koch-Problem\

"David Koch Funds Andrew Cuomo"
http://www.futureofcapitalism.com/2010/09/david-koch-funds-andrew-cuomo

[vaberella]

52. Oooh....it was 92,000?! Jeez.

Yeah, I remember it being mentioned in the Discussion thread. Some people need to do their homework on the candidates before running on one aspect. I wonder if this thread would have ever been made if the OP new this bit of information. Do you know AK that this is more than even Scott Walker from Wisconsin got from Koch? It's a serious problem. Makes you wonder what he (Cuomo) was doing.

[AtomicKitten]

93. It surprised me.

I don't know why, though. I just don't follow NY politics that closely.

[elocs]

9. My guess is that he is way, way too smart to do that. 2016 is a different story though. n/t

[cameozalaznick]

10. That would be a very bad idea. Eom

[vaberella]

11. Do you honestly believe Cuomo could do better than Obama under the same circumstances?

You're nuts if you believe that. This is the first time Cuomo has a high level political seat.He wasn't a Mayor or councilman, congressman, or even Senator. Secondly---Cuomo is a New York guy. He might go for the Presidency--but not until 2022----Maybe 2016 if he's ambitious. Further more...although I love Cuomo and was raised to be devoted to the Cuomo's---the Koch support doesn't help his cause with Progressives. Additionally---you should listen to Cuomo's position---they are not at all different from Obama. The only thing for Cuomo is that Democrats pwn in massive majorities over Republicans. Obama has to deal with Repubs and Teapartiers. You need to see all that's on the table.

[Schema Thing]

23. +2

[grahamhgreen]

49. Even a rock would have allowed the Bush tax cuts to expire, and nOt expanded the wars.

[vaberella]

51. Please. Most who understood the situation would also know why he did it.

The Bush tax cuts included tax cuts for the poor and middle class. Banks weren't lending out money and it was the winter/christmas season. Obama wanted people to have a little money in their pockets during that time---and it was directly tied to extending the unemployment payments which Republicans wanted to shut down. Twice Congress had the chance to vote on extending the Bush tax cuts for the poor and middle class and let the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire---twice they voted against that bill. Obama put something out there because he was looking at the 95% of Americans that would benefit from the tax cuts at the risk of benefits going to the rich. People can sit there on their high horse and bitch about Obama doing that---but many Americans hate raising taxes and doing that during the Christmas season would never have sold to the American people. And all the use of the bully pulpit to get the thought across on allowing the Bush tax cuts for the rich to die and keeping the ones for the poor and middle class was drowned out by the DADT battle.

So please don't give this "rock" crap is BS.

As for the expanded wars? What war was expanded. During that time we did not go into Libya---which for all intents and purposes is not even a war. Although I'm against the Libya move---It's definitely not a war. But during that time period there was Afghanistan and Iraq. 100,000 troops were removed in August of that same year---before the war. When there is 100,000 removal and not increase that would be more along the lines of a "shrinkage." This was all over Rachel Maddow---shoot Maddow was even in Iraq and filming live at that time. So for you to suggest he expanded the wars is already nonsense and disingenuously. Shit, it's a blatant lie. As for Afghanistan---that was the only one that had an increase of 30,000 troops at that time. And he said he would do that during the primaries and he said it when he first went into Presidency. He never lied to us or anyone else about that. He always said his focus would be on Afghanistan and going in there and sending in troops and reorganizing and refocusing the agenda. You could dislike it---but you can't say you didn't know. If you do, then of course that would say to me you wanted to hear what you want. As for the drone attacks within Pakistan---that's with Pakistani knowledge and begrudging tolerance. But we're not sending in troops---until later of course.

So expansion of wars? Hardly the case. And that doesn't make the entire Presidency. To get back on topic---I sincerely doubt that Coumo would not have done the same or similar with the information he's given. If not worse. You seem to think as though war is something distinct to Obama. There's not a bloody candidate or idiot in Congress who would not continue with aspects of war---it keeps our military busy and having a job---and of course helps fund a good number of state workers who depend on the income. We may all be against war but it's an aspect of life. In regards to the economy---It could be up in the air what would have happened---but I don't think expanding unemployment or even DADT repeal being successful would have happened under any other President.

[dbackjon]

72. Obama had massive majorities his first 2 years

NY has a Republican majority Senate.

[msongs]

14. that would upset the conservative democrats running the country nt

[TheKentuckian]

16. Who cares? Swapping corrupt corporate thralls isn't going to get this country on track

I'd say Cuomo is generally awful and people are giddy over a win for the good guys in a time of regression and devolution.

[pnwmom]

17. He could but he won't. Stop dreaming. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

18. He could but should he? He's got a clear shot in 2016.

[FrenchieCat]

20. Cause New York is sooo representative of our Federal Government!

I say he should go for it.....
I mean, afterall, let's split the party!
What a wonderful politically sound idea! Guess who wins!
(hint: Won't be Obama or Cuomo!) :crazy:

[ruggerson]

24. Happy gay pride Frenchie

Wonderful news from New York, no?

[FrenchieCat]

27. Yes it is!

It was a wonderful night last night...to see history made,
and marriage being legalized for so many in a very large state!

[ruggerson]

29. Indeed

Hopefully this is the tipping point.

[FrenchieCat]

42. No doubt......

at all! :)

[MouseFitzgerald]

21. I hope not

Cuomo is more conservative than Obama on pretty much every issue but marriage equality. I definitely hope he doesn't run in 2016, we need a real progressive candidate, not a neo-lib like Cuomo.

[Robbie88]

22. Completely agree.

n/t.

[The Eagle 718]

47. He's not a neo-lib

He's a conservative.

[Nedsdag]

25. Stop it, just stop it, will you?

Cuomo is a moderate.

This thread should be closed.

[GoCubsGo]

59. +1

Thank you. I'm getting really sick of these "Could/would/should So-and-So primary Obama?" threads. It is not going to happen. Give it up. Please.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

26. After watching his debate performances and his so called ''moderate''

ideas. I hope you're referring to a different Cuomo.

[Tx4obama]

28. Get real. Cuomo has been a governor for less than six months.

That is less than Palin who served only half her term.

[smitra]

30. Absolutely not.

Cuomo is Republican-lite, and many of us here in NYS voted for him because Paladino was unthinkable. Cuomo has just used the threat of massive layoffs - as much as 10,000 - starting as early as the middle of next month to force one of the largest unions among NYS workers to agree to a contract that includes 0% raises for the next 3 years, a mere 2% after that, 6% rises in health insurance premiums, and furloughs. Actually, his proposals were far worse than what was ultimately agreed to in the final negotiations. See this document: http://www.csealocal1000.org/images/janicem/final_contract_side_by_side.pdf for a side-by-side comparison of how this proposed contract contrasts with what was agreed to 4 years ago under Governor Spitzer.

Yes, the economic situation is far worse, but Cuomo was vehemently opposed to a millionaire's tax, and prefers cutting education, raising SUNY/CUNY tuition and making state workers scapegoats (he also wants to introduce a worse pension scheme for new hires -- the unions have fought this so far). True, he is not as bad as Wisconsin Gov. Walker, NJ Gov. Christie and other Repub Govs., but when you have said that, you have said everything.

[mazzarro]

32. Thank you for pointing that out!

I was wondering which Cuomo the op was referring to. This guy is prototypical DLC'er and I don't see much difference between and Obama - period.

[CakeGrrl]

31. And then he'll actually have to get something DONE in Washington.

And then people will start complaining that it isn't going like they thought it would, and so on and so on.

Unrec.

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[BklnDem75]

34. Bad news for you...

Cuomo negotiated with the GOP here to get the vote on the floor. Same thing Obama's despised for over here.

[ProSense]

61. Obama should

"Cuomo negotiated with the GOP here to get the vote on the floor."

...find out what sweetened the deal for them and see if it works on a few DC Repubs.

He only needs seven or eight of them to repeal DOMA.

[Arkana]

35. Cuomo hates unions and has done a whole host of shitty things.

Making gay marriage legal does not absolve him of them.

[DCBob]

37. could a fool piss in the wind?

[Drunken Irishman]

38. If he did, it'd be from Obama's right...

But he won't, so it's moot.

[Indykatie]

39. Wondered How Long It Would Take for This Thread Question

Actually took longer than I thought. Some think a primary opponent to Obama in 2012 makes sense. I hope that is a very small number.

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[bigwillq]

40. Don't think so.

But I would like Cuomo to give it a shot in 2016.

[ImNotTed]

43. Could? Yes. Will? No.

Next!

[Rowdyboy]

44. Could cold fusion be discovered and lower my cooling bill this summer? Yeah....

But it won't

[Ice Number Nine]

45. not a chance in hell. but don't stop now, there are plenty of other straws to grasp at.

[bigwillq]

46. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[grahamhgreen]

48. I hope, I beg, I pray.

[vaberella]

53. You do? Really? For the man who received 92,000 in funding from Koch?

Really?

[ProSense]

60. That doesn't matter

when the goal is to unseat progressives one issue at a time.

Case in point, Jon Corzine, who strongly supported teachers and other public service employees, labor unions and marriage equality. Corzine even voted against the IWR. He had to go because he adjusted property tax rebates temporarily to deal with the budget. Now NJ has Gov. Christie, who eliminated the rebate.

DLC Cuomo/Koch 2012.

Anybody but Obama!!!

Ludicrous!

[QC]

64. How about the guy who received $800,000+ from Goldman Sachs? n/t

[BklnDem75]

65. So you're comparing an individual's donations...

to employees that work for a company? You're still running with that argument? I suppose we could pretend to be enraged about something like that.

[vaberella]

66. Individual donations by workers at Goldman Sachs to Koch?

Koch---the man who's worked systematically to turn down this nation while these are workers not like the entity Goldman Sachs. Wow...

[JournalistKev87]

50. Ugh...now people are going to support Cuomo

just because he helped passed Marriage Equality in NY. The sheep are so grateful for their crumbs.

Once he starts screwing with the unions in NY, maybe people will see his deceitfulness.

[vaberella]

54. Basically.

His ties to Koch is already fading my devotion and I'm not ready to give up on him but I am hella weary.

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[Cronus Protagonist]

57. ummm it was an open ended question.

Personally, I'm still looking for the one to take on Obama. Anyway, Cuomo got 92 grand from the Kochs? He should have taken them for a few million at least. Perhaps he had Obama's Wall Street investors/donors/and other of Koch's buddies help him with the negotiations - I don't see how he could have done so poorly otherwise.

[boppers]

58. Who?

Cuomo?

Who's that?

New York always forgets how insignificant they, and their politics, are to the other 49 states.

[Pirate Smile]

62. The media lives there so they treat it as not only the center of the universe but the universe

itself.

[onenote]

67. No. Next question.

Not unless he wants to piss off a lot of folks whose support he will need if he wants to make a run in 2016.

[Bobbie Jo]

68. Interesting.....the things some are willing to overlook

for one politician and magnify for another.

Based on a single act.

[treestar]

69. Oh for crying out loud

Next week it will be someone else when this goes out of the news cycle.

:facepalm:

Always a hero du jour - and one that doesn't have to deal with the same things.

This is almost fetish level - the President is the one who can do all and fix all and it is just a matter of who is in the office.

[craigmatic]

70. It's not Cuomo's time yet. He really just got a big job. 2016 will be his year because

Obama won't run again and Cuomo will have the advantage because he won't have to defend the administration's positions.

[cliffordu]

71. Could Tony the Tiger primary Obama in '12???

How about Humpty dumpy??

Long tall sally????

[dionysus]

77. my money is riding on capt crunch.

[SanchoPanza]

74. Same as it ever was.

Could John Fremont primary Lincoln in 1864?
Could William Jennings Bryan primary Wilson in 1916?
Could Huey Long primary Roosevelt in 1936?
Could Robert Kennedy primary Johnson in 1968?
Could Ted Kennedy primary Carter in 1980?

There's just no pleasing some people.

[underpants]

75. He already sold out labor plus he is looking to 2016 as he should.

BTW- New York politicians think they are some magic pill that everyone will love. That is mostly because there is so much media in NYC that they can read what they like about themselves. See Cuomo (any of them), Rudy, Trump, Weiner, etc.

[dionysus]

76. thanks for the laugh...

:spray:

[ClarkUSA]

78. lol! I'm sure the Koch Brothers will be happy to give Governor Cuomo another huge campaign donation

After all, they already did that for his gubernatorial run. :puke:

Imagine if the Koch Brothers had done that for Barack Obama when he ran for Senator in 2003?

[Ice Number Nine]

79. no, because nobody's going to Primary Obama. and he will be reelected.

enjoy!

[Tiggeroshii]

80. if nothing else he should be Biden's replacement.

[Cronus Protagonist]

81. I think Hillary might be Obama's VP in 2012

Call it a hunch.

[CakeGrrl]

82. You'd have to call it more of a massive switcheroo:

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/10/13/biden-says-obama-has-already-asked-him-to-run-again-as-veep/

:rofl:

[Cronus Protagonist]

83. Yup

Let the chips fall where they may. Maybe that smile will fall off your face yet. If we're going to have a female president, it better be a Democratic one. And Hillary's not getting any younger...

[whistler162]

94. Nope it will be Daniel Patrick Moynihan!

[BlueMTexpat]

85. Why? Just another provocative question?

If you're really serious, you'd better look at his record over more than the past week.

NO good Dem will primary Obama in 2012.

[Freddie Stubbs]

87. 2010: Cuomo Vows Offensive Against Labor Unions

Andrew M. Cuomo will mount a presidential-style permanent political campaign to counter the well-financed labor unions he believes have bullied previous governors and lawmakers into making bad decisions. He will seek to transform the state’s weak business lobby into a more formidable ally, believing that corporate leaders in New York have virtually surrendered the field to big labor.

And even as he girds for war, Mr. Cuomo, the state attorney general and an expert practitioner of political hardball, also plans to lavish attention on individual legislators, who he says are sick of being demonized and eager for accomplishment after years of gridlock and enmity.

In a rare extended interview, Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, insisted voters can believe he will succeed where other governors failed, saying he has the savvy and the experience to maximize the leverage of the state’s highest elective office. “I know these guys. I know them very well,” he said of the state’s political class. “I’ve played with them, I’ve played against them. I know this game. I know it extraordinarily well. I know what they’re capable of, I know their strengths and I know their weaknesses.”

In the 90-minute discussion, Mr. Cuomo for the first time laid out his strategy to isolate, destabilize, and ultimately defeat the tangle of entrenched interests that has left state government bankrupt, infamously dysfunctional, and mired in scandal. He would not submit to the fate, Mr. Cuomo said, that met the Democrats Eliot Spitzer and David A. Paterson after they took office as governor.

more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/nyregion/25cuomo.html

[LetTimmySmoke]

88. I thought about writing in Cuomo for the Dem primary as a protest vote.

A way to register my support for marriage equality.

[namahage]

97. Why stop there?

Why not write in someone who's also for marriage equality AND has a proven track record of passing his agenda despite opposition from Congress?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

89. Hell No!

[BlueIris]

90. Pretty much anyone could.

Again, I have zero hope for his renomination at this point. It has to be, and will be, a different nominee.

[CakeGrrl]

92. What are you going to do when Obama IS renominated?

Have you even allowed yourself to consider that?

[onenote]

96. And how long have you been totally divorced from reality?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

104. What drugs are you on, and can I have some?

[NorthCarolina]

91. Can we please stop promoting DLC members, and get back to electing real Democrats.

If you like DLC, why not just skip the right-of-middle-man and go directly to the GOP for the real thing? They both work for the same corporate dollars, but at least with the GOP their goals are out in the open, and not hidden behind a facade of progressivism.

[whistler162]

95. Link to the litmus test of what a "real" Democrat is!

[NorthCarolina]

99. Remove the DLC New Dems and the Blue Dogs from the party, and what's left

are the "Real" Dems. It's that simple really.

[emsimon33]

98. It would be great if a real Democrat ran against Obama

then Obama could run as a Republican...since he sure seems to like them ans their "values" better than real Democrats or their values!

[CakeGrrl]

103. Yeah, that was SO obvious at yesterday's presser

and why Repubs are going nuts today. Because he's just one of them and they know it!

:eyes:

[RichGirl]

100. Before we go looking for someone to replace Obama...

...please spread this far and wide. We need much BIGGER changes than a new president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX2jcNlofO4

[WI_DEM]

101. No, and when will you get it thru your heads that no dem is going to "primary" Obama

[quaker bill]

102. No

Of course anyone "could" do it. It just would not be meaningful or go anywhere. So, in a real sense, no.