Lets try looking at this in a different perspective. President Obama lost the 2008 election.

[Peacetrain]

Where would we be now?

As Bush's administration ended, the job loss was 750,000 a month..


Now there would have been no stimulus, or bailouts of car companies.

If we lost just the big 3, you could have added million and millions more to those job losses.

We would not have had the largest injection of money EVER into green energies// ever

DADT would still be with us.

There would have been no health care bill to help people who were being kicked off insurance.

There would have been no credit card act.

There would have been no Matthew Sheppard act passed.

Two more Right Wing Supreme Court justices, would be in place.

[renate]

1. well, I gave that a K&R

The R didn't show up, for reasons I don't get. I think everything you said is true. Sure, I'm disappointed by the difference by how I thought things would be and how they are, but they're a damn sight better than they could have been if McCain and Palin had won. The imagination boggles.

[Peacetrain]

3. Just looking at how wild all these republican governors have gone

We could very well be in the middle of a real fascist state and not just one we fear could happen

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. McCain/Palin would've almost surely finished us off

Some people complain about Obama but nobody could legitimately argue that we would be the same (or better) had they been elected. What do they think is going to happen if any of the anti-govt GOP whacks running for POTUS are going to do to the country if they get handed the WH again next year? Hint: it won't be pretty IMHO

[Peacetrain]

4. The values voters would have had a field day..

[AmBlue]

5. Night-mare inducing for sure. eom

[democrat_patriot]

6. I think the Republicans KNOW these things would work and therefore

would have done them:

Stimulus
Car Company Bailouts

They spoke against them, because it was Obama's term. How many spoke out against Bush's TARP?

[Armstead]

7. Let's try looking at this from a different perspective

Had he won the election at a time when the economy was NOT teetering on the brink and most everyone knew that drastic measures were necessary, would those things have happened?

Would he and the Democrats have had the nerve toi actually undertake sweeping actions? Or would they have been content with centrist platitudes and make some minor tweaks to a system that really needs fundamental reform?

Remember how apologetic Obama and the Democrats were about actually having to do something? And how they promised that measures like the stimulus were only temporary, and that once the crisis was over they'd get back to business as usual?

And perhaps more importantly, how so many of those "bold" initiatives were allowed to get watered down in a futile effort to play nice with Republicans, Wall St. and Corporate America?

Sure it is far better that Obama won. But we should be looking for more than grudgingly taking action to stave off disaster.

[Peacetrain]

8. Here we are going to have to disagree on accomplishments.. We did really good

especially considering what a hole we were trying to dig out of on so many levels. So many thing to be worked on simultaneously and trying to keep money going to those who had lost their unemployment benefits.

Now an argument and a good one could be made that had we concentrated in only one or two areas.. we could have gotten much further along in those areas.

And that is one of my main criticisms of the President, trying to do to much at one time..

But which one of these things would we pick to set aside while working full tilt on something else.

[Yavin4]

9. The ground war into Iran would have started by now

McCain is a huge neo-con supporter of wars in the Middle East.

[Peacetrain]

10. Oh my God have you caught what the Neocons want us to do now.. Syria..

[Yavin4]

11. Yep, Syria, Lybia, Iran, Georgia

You name it.

[Peacetrain]

12. If we ever get out of this neocon mess we were set in, that will be

the major accomplishment of this administration.

It is no easy task.. but one the President has to do.

[Enrique]

13. is anyone here wishing for McCain/Palin?

or is this a strawman.

[Peacetrain]

14. I don't do strawmen..

[Enrique]

15. you just did

unless someone here said they would rather have president McCain.

[Peacetrain]

16. Nope.. cannot help you if that is how you want to percieve it.. free country

[krabigirl]

17. We would be in six wars instead of five. Oh, and we would have Palin.

Other than that, what would really be different?

[DCBob]

18. This country would be in a depression and in multiple nuclear wars.

bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!

[styersc]

19. "Obama 2012: Things Could Be Worse" Great Bumper Sticker.

Change We Can Believe In.

[FrenchieCat]

20. Naw, you should vote for whom you want without regard of how bad things could get........

That's what folks who vote against their interest year after year do.
They welcome you to their club.

Me, I'm preparing for the worse of times, cause I already know
that the small and the large things that as a nation we take for granted,
might very well be gone after 2012 or 2016 (as the pendulum always swings back).....
So for those so smart folks who decide that they don't care how bad things could get
when they go into the voting booth, I just hope they also are prepared for just that!

[scheming daemons]

21. Better one: "Obama 2012: Things are much better than they were"

...and will continue to be.

[TheKentuckian]

22. More like "Matters are worse but they are getting that way arguably slower than they would have

otherwise".

We weren't going to logically lose 750k jobs a month for infinity. The corporations won't slash beyond maximum profits and peak worker output, not long term anyway.

I don't think thirty straight years of what we are doing with six "peaks" is a desirable destination. There is little dispute that the opposition is beyond explanation.

Better than absolute batshit almost across the board and debatable off of it at all times is nothing more than a means not an end.

[DCBob]

24. Obama 2012: the alternative is scary

[Lil Missy]

23. All the people who voted for Palin would suddenly realize McGramps was the top of the ticket.