Question. Does Kucinich believe that Obama's capture/kill mission to be illegal?

[vaberella]

I want to ask this. Because a few on the Left (aside from O'Donnell and Moore), but so many Republicans are claiming this now (the idiots who support waterboarding). I have even heard it on the left blogosphere that this was to be illegal. I was just wondering if anyone has found Kucinich to be speaking against this and found Obama's actions to be impeachable in this instance.

Of course I realize that in 1995 Clinton definitely put out a word, or was it executive order or did this have Senate/Congressional approval (?), on his arrest and after 9/11 he went to a sort of "dead or alive" status.

[Very_Boring_Name]

1. Who cares. He doesn't speak for the left.

[Tarheel_Dem]

2. +1. Dennis will be gone in '12, and perhaps he can start his own party.

He's our Michelle Bachmann, and an embarrassment. :thumbsup:

[vaberella]

5. He's retiring or most likely being voted out of office?

I heard his poll numbers are in the trash.

[tekisui]

8. His seat is likely going to be lost to re-districting.

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. I don't know about the numbers in his "district", but his statewide numbers suck!

Dennis is stuck in Bush territory (mid 20's) as far as job approval. He's now making noise about running in the state of WA, and not all Washingtonians are pleased, to say the least.

[Armstead]

13. Who does?

Just wondering who you think is a legitimate spokesperson for "the left."

[Very_Boring_Name]

20. If anybody, I'd say somebody like Anthony Weiner. Someone with a brain as well as a big mouth

Kucinich only has the big mouth, no brain.

[Rincewind]

3. Answer:

Who cares what he thinks.

[vaberella]

4. Actually, I asked because I care.

This is mainly because a few people on the left are getting more and more vocal. And I'm not speaking of Moore or O'Donnell---a few people on this boarding are pushing this meme.

[Armstead]

12. Personally, I think it probably was illegal but there are extenuating circumstances

Imagine if there were a fugitive from another country hiding in the US, and -- rather than seeking extradition -- that government simply sent in a hit squad and offed him in an American city. I doubt that would be defensible in a court.

But considering the circumstances, it was certainly justified...

[vaberella]

18. Well for the past year or two Pakistan has given us the right to bomb parts of their nation.

So I'm unsure how far the rules of engagement are between the US and Pakistan.

[TreasonousBastard]

6. First, someone has to explain to him what happened...

he might not have noticed it yet.

I'm ignoring the claims of illegality from the yammering classes who think they have a valid opinion on everything in the whole world. Whatever the fuck does Michael Moore know about international or Constitutional law?

There are legitimate questions on the legality of the mission, and I've heard intersting cases made for both sides, but that was from lawyers who deal with these questions not celebrity yakkers.

(Or politicians living on other planets.)

[tekisui]

7. I've not heard his opinion on it.

There are some serious questions to be answered on the legality. I am interested in these questions and the answers, not so much to criticize or take any action against Obama, but to clarify what is and is not permitted as foreign policy. What this means for our future and the future of other nations' legitimacy in pursuing enemies has not been answered yet.

[Ikonoklast]

10. He's been quiet for a good reason.

He can read polls.

Dennis is a life-long, professional politician, it's the only real job he has ever had.

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. +100. And an ineffective, but loud one at that. His 15 mins were up years ago. (nt)

[Bluenorthwest]

14. Why not ask him if it is so important to you?

Ring in from Paris and express your concern. Phone [phone]. When I wonder what a public official thinks, I ask that person. I suggest you do the same.

[harun]

16. +1

[vaberella]

17. Thank you. I will. n/t

[NorthCarolina]

25. I bet you will.

:eyes:

[ClassWarrior]

27. +1

NGU.

[4lbs]

15. Were those that voted for Obama in 2008 and are now complaining about this mission being illegal

not paying attention during the debates and speeches in 2008?

He said THE ENTIRE 2008 CAMPAIGN, EVEN ANSWERING A DIRECT QUESTION ABOUT SUCH A TACTIC, that if he had "actionable intelligence" about Bin Laden being in Pakistan, he wouldn't hesitate to take him out. He wouldn't ask Pakistan's permission either.

President Obama reaffirmed this stance and this recollection on Sunday's "60 Minutes" interview about the mission.

So, when those on the left voted for Obama, did they not know this?


EDIT: Besides, this is not an impeachable offense at all.

Someone, show me in any part of the Constitution or any of the Amendments where it says a President cannot do this.

This action can actually, if interpreted broadly, be considered a "foreign policy" procedure, which the US Constitution gives the President sole power to conduct.

[golfguru]

19. Nothing is illegal unless there is a power to enforce legality

Which country is powerful enough to put the president in jail? Simple answer....No one!

[hayu_lol]

21. Illegal? Who cares.

Note that it IS illegal to fly airliners into buildings.

[Life Long Dem]

23. Not Pakistan.

Pakistan has a corrupt Government and they may have offered OBL protection.

[MilesColtrane]

22. He's probably polling folks in Washington before he makes a statement on that.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2011/05/rep_dennis_kucinich_fuels_spec.html

[ClassWarrior]

28. Hmmm... so you give more credence to a RW rag than one of our staunchest fighters?

If so, that's very telling.

NGU.

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[Phx_Dem]

24. Another question. Who cares?

[Ramulux]

26. It was 100% illegal

No one is denying that. The administration is simply trying to get everyone to forget about the legality of the operation and focus on how great it is that we got the bad guy.