I love the "Obama primary threads" ... there I said it!!!!

[JoePhilly]

I love them. I really do. They crack me up.

Every day or so, some one asks DU ...

"Who should primary Obama?"

"What if person X ran in a primary against Obama?"

"What if Obama didn't run, then who do we run?"

"If Obama does thing X, will you support a primary opponent against him?"

"If Obama doesn't do thing Y, will you support a primary opponent against him?"

"If Hillary ran in a primary against Obama, would you support her?"

"If FDR or LBJ came back from the dead, which would you support in a primary against Obama?"

"If a benevolent space alien came to earth, would you support them in a primary against Obama?" (ok, made that one up, I don;t think anyone has taken that path yet).

"Is it too late to primary Obama?"

I could go on ...

The only thing missing, is an NCAA style bracket approach in which all the potential primary candidates are ranked on the LEFT side of the bracket, with Obama waiting for the ultimate challenge on the RIGHT side of the bracket.

Shame we can't do something like that as part of March madness.

Of course everyone would win the pool, because Obama wins in the end regardless of the outcome of the picks made on the left side of the bracket.

[dennis4868]

1. Yes, let's primary Obama....

Obama’s career is littered with the remains of people who wondered why Obama wasn’t fighting them, right up until they discovered that he wasn’t fighting because he was busy winning.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Resistance is futile

All your Social Security are belong to the bankers

[JoePhilly]

7. I know, I remember when Obama annouced that in the SOTU ... and then ...

when he put that into his budget.

[MannyGoldstein]

10. Are you joking?

In the SOTU he called for not "cutting" it for current retirees but not "slashing" it for future retirees. After his commission voted to slash the average retiree's lifetime benefits by 22% (or $50,00+).

Great stuff!

[JoePhilly]

12. Really, he proposed we "slash" it for furture generations ...

trying to recall that ... which specific SLASHES did he propose?

[MannyGoldstein]

39. Read my post. Carefully. nt

[JoePhilly]

4. have you seen the NCAA advertisement with the comedian Jim Gaffigan?

That's basically what he ends up saying about the elite teams. They don't get too tied up in the hoopla, because they are too busy winning.

[dennis4868]

5. No, I need to see that....

but it's the truth about Obama....

[JoePhilly]

8. Apparently, he doesn't bluster enough ...

[golddigger]

6. Yep, people like big pharma, Sachs, JP Morgan, Health

Insurance industry...etc.

Winning the future!

[dennis4868]

9. That's your....

opinion but it does not mean it is right....I am winning the future because my kids along with many others I know now have health insurance.....THAT IS FUCKING WINNING THE FUTURE!

Now go back to your world of needing PERFECT change by yesterday and never blaming congress or anyone else for your problems other than Obama....go help the repubs win the FUTURE!

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[dennis4868]

13. Yep....

my kids have it now! :-) And also because of legislation that Obama got through the house and senate early on in his presidency...before the Affordable Care Act....thank god for PBO!

http://blackwaterdog.wordpress.com/

[JoePhilly]

14. My neice does.

Had cancer at 2, is now 14. 90% of those with her cancer die. So the insurer basically said "she's dead, and we won't pay for ant of it."

My sister fought, the insurance company fought back to not cover treatment. My sister was able to get the hospitals to treat my neice, and my sister ran up huge debts.

In the end, after ~4 years, and it became clear that my niece was going to survive, the insurance company "settled" ... not for what they should have paid (my sister had insurance from the start), but for enough that my siste basically had to take the settlement or declare bankruptcy.

For YEARS after, my sister was only able to get my niece "basic coverage", colds, flu, you fall of the swing and break an arm ... but NOTHING for a return of the cancer ...

Now, my niece is fully covered again. If her cancer came back, or if she gets a new cancer, she's covered. Oh, and as she ages, it is likely that the treatments she received as a kid may have effected her reproductive ability. And it will be covered.

[dennis4868]

27. That is awesome....

people need to understand that because Obama peoples lives are better of now....maybe not for everyone but for many he has helped them big time in just 2 short years....give Obama another 2 years and I think things will even be better for more people....change takes time....DUers dont get that and when change does not happen fast they blame Obama, not congress....and it was Obama who said change takes alot of time to happen.

[JoePhilly]

28. It is ... but apparently my niece should not get that coverage ...

until everyone is covered.

We ALL want everyone covered. And given the GOP obstruction, we are struggling to make any progress, but we are making progress.

[dennis4868]

30. I disagree....

why should your niece not be covered now? Like Obama said, change happens in baby steps....first your niece and my daughter get covered, then someone else, and then everyone else...baby steps...that how change happens....at least that's how it goes in washington....it was the same for FDR and Johnson....Unfortunately, DU holds Obama to a different standard than other presidents.....Clinton caved in left and right and dems loved him.....

[JoePhilly]

32. My post is in the wrong spot.

Down below, we have the argument that since HCR doesn't fix it all now, then it sucks. And I inadvertantly responded to you, and not to the post I intended.

You and I are on the same page. We need to grab as much ground as we can, defend it, then grab more.

[dennis4868]

34. RIGHT....

When FDR got Medicare through it did not look like it looks now....it was made better in baby steps....that's how Washington works....FDR took alot of heat for this and now Obama....And Johnson took heat for the civil rights act not being perfect right away....both FDR and Johnson had super majorities in congress, not the case with Obama....

[vaberella]

21. I'm also one of the people who has insurance now. n/t

[Ikonoklast]

35. My son does.

Your hysterical blathering cannot change that fact.

[Cameron27]

17. Well goody for you.

I'd be in my grave if I had to wait until I was eligible for Obamacare. I wasn't "high risk" & was still insurable but couldn't afford the premiums, so my breast cancer went undiagnosed until I ended up in the ER for back pain. Arizona's medicaid program saved my life.

It sounds like a game to you guys. Laugh it up. Score one for the rich politician who took the public option off the table, he's safe & won't be primaried. Yea!

[stevenleser]

26. Are you willing to share income and other information for us to examine your claim?

Because while sad, an anonymous poster on the internet claiming something doesnt make it real.

[Cameron27]

33. As of last August, there is no income.

I was forced to move in with my oldest son until my medical problems are resolved to the point where I can find part time employment.

[JoePhilly]

29. How long will the GOP make you wait?

They want to cut Medicaid.

His efforts have yet to help you directly, but they help millions of others.

Go ahead, demand a primary, get a GOP President ... I'm sure that they will be ready to help you.

[Cameron27]

36. You're right,

he probably can't be primaried. Barack Obama, at best, a Reagan Democrat, damaged the liberal brand to the point where it will probably be years before a real liberal can be elected. Amazing achievement considering the GOP was in a death spiral before he took office. He squandered the best chance in my lifetime for real universal health care, so you go ahead & yuck it up, but I'm not cheering on his presumed inevitablity.

[shellgame26]

19. AMEN

[TheKentuckian]

22. I'm at work without a lick of insurance and only a mandate to purchase a policy I can't afford

or afford to use even with the treasury exhausting subsidies to the insurance criminals coming down the pipe to prop up a predator cartel so I have no idea where you got any insurance from other than the SCHIP program that was passed well before the Wealth Care and Profit Protection Act.

Glad your acceptable change equals continuing to erode our civil liberties and funneling the entire nation's resources to a few wealthy fucks.
I've never demanded anything within eye shot of "PERFECT" and if you are sooooooo fucking pleased then why are you so fucking irritable and annoyed?

If you are so bothered by Republicans then why be a fierce advocate for their policies and ideology simply because a dude with a (D) next to his name is pushing them.

PERFECT????? How about winning a tenable future, unless you think there is a good way to live under corporate rule with subsistence wages, at fucking best.

[chill_wind]

23. Preach it!

:applause:

[golddigger]

49. Oh snap! +1

[golddigger]

43. Yep, that is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

[golddigger]

44. Also why should I blame it all on Congress?

Obama is the one who made the deal with Big Pharma.

[golddigger]

48. Also, I suggest some anger management classes.

[treestar]

50. so if all of those could be wiped out immediately

We'd have 35% unemployment.

These entities are just pure evil. :sarcasm:

[displacedvermoter]

16. He's a fucking Mars rock star!!!

Fucking littered I say...

[tekisui]

2. Primary Obama 2012!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Ikonoklast]

38. Mr. Obama will not be primaried.

The PL doing the Right's dirty work for them is laughable.

[tekisui]

41. We'll see.

So far it seems that there won't be a primary challenger. Too bad, though. I'd love to see it.

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[William769]

18. When I read the headline to your thread I thought you meant the original primary threads. My bad

But before I opened your thread I did reflect on the original primary threads then I was saddened to remember all the crap that was fed to us.

[JTFrog]

47. Well some folks slung all the crap and then stood back and played victim.

I can reflect too.

:shrug:

[vaberella]

20. Someone said they wanted Assange (the wikileaks) guy to run for President of the US.

Yes, a member of DU said this. If link is needed it will be provided! I was shocked. An Australian should run for President of the United States. You have to wonder about some DU members.

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[treestar]

51. Some people are truly insane

And worship of Julian is a symptom.

[AtomicKitten]

54. --

Well hell, how about Russell Crowe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNdKBPcVGJI&feature=related

[tallahasseedem]

24. I like the bracket idea!

That would be awesome!

[girl gone mad]

31. Hmm... I coulda sworn that Hillary was the inevitable candidate in 2008.

What a joke that anyone would dare to think she could be defeated.

:eyes:

[GoCubsGo]

37. I'm rather sick of them, myself.

[SkyDaddy7]

40. +1000 nt.

[ProSense]

42. The primary talking point has failed so the

President's detractors have moved on to the next best thing:

Ralph Nader: Obama should be impeached.

Is Obama Even Worse Than Bush?

<...>

So why not impeach Obama? I clamored for the impeachment of Bush. I say Obama is as bad or worse. Why am I such a corrupt hypocrite that I haven't built a movement to impeach Obama? Well, I'll tell you, as I've told people more times than I can count. Obama should be impeached and convicted and removed from office. Obama should be prosecuted for his crimes. So should his subordinates. So should his predecessor, his subordinates, and all corporate co-conspirators. The reason I can't get 20 people into the streets to demand Obama's impeachment (and if I did, they'd want him impeached for being born in Africa to aliens from Planet Socialism) is that nobody in Congress is even pretending to give a damn. We were able to produce a sizeable movement for impeachment when Bush was in office, because a lot of Democrats in Congress, especially in 2005 and 2006, pretended they were on our side. I say "pretended" as a way to indicate not that they didn't agree with us, but that they were not committed to trying very hard.

Call Issa right effing now!

[SanchoPanza]

45. Sigh.

If DU existed in 1935, there would be dozens of threads on the necessity of a primary challenge to FDR. Alongside threads lionizing great "champions of the people" like Huey Long and Charles Coughlin.

[Nedsdag]

46. +1,000

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

52. all this shit will end when Obama is named Nominee.

[Armstead]

53. First, that's a strawman.....Second, please define "winning"

I don't think there is a really large percentage of people who really want to "primary" Obama. And of those who do advocate that, I would say that most do not think a challenger could actually defeat him in the prtimary -- But they feel it one of the few ways available to actually spark an actual debate and for the Democratic poo-bahs to actually have to take account of the fact that there is a siognificant number of people who don't like or support his centrist stance.

Second, while there is a more than good chance he will win in terms of retaining office, 1)It is not a certainty and 2)It is possible for Democrats to (yet again) win the battle but lose the war.

In other words, "winning" is not really winning if it merely means clutching onto office but being afraid of actually trying or accomplishing real reform and change to avoid offending those mythical swing voters and being so hamstrung by obligations to the corporate oligarchs.

When we "win" by deflating the principles we supposedly stand for, then the real winners are the same oligarchs and corporate monopolists and Wall St. crooks who use the GOP tyo get what they want at the expense of everybody else.