Scott Walker got 52% of the vote in Wis. Obama is smart to keep his mouth shut

[LeftyAndProud60]

Wisconsin is getting what they voted for.

[bluestateguy]

1. And Obama got 56% of the vote in Wisconsin

so there.

[LeftyAndProud60]

4. Damn shame those 56% didn't vote for a Dem Governor and support Russ. NT

[Hawaii Hiker]

13. Especially since WI. is so blue in presidential elections

no repub has won WI. since Reagan in 84...But voters stayed home in Nov., now look what happens, Russ and the governor are gone...

[Historic NY]

25. The rest sat home & ended up punishing themselves.

[GSLevel9]

26. in 2008 ;)

[Berserker]

2. Let's just say

some voters got what they wanted. I sure as hell did not vote for him.

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[LeftyAndProud60]

5. I'm sure if Obama stood and fought, the repub governor and senate in Wis would cower. NT

[villager]

9. Thank God you're advocating that we cower instead! NT

[Shiver]

7. Exactly what happens when Democratic voters

decide to "punish" Democrats by not voting. Walker won by a very small margin, and that's without even factoring in that more than half of the eligible voters in the state didn't vote.

We may not like them completely, but remember - when you punish Democrats, Republicans win.

[zalinda]

16. That's bull and you know it

People come out to vote for Democrats, not repub lite. Look how they came out for Obama, when they thought he was a real Democrat. The Democrats had 2 years to show their back bone, and they didn't. Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result, is the definition of insanity. We keep voting for dems and expecting that they keep their promises and they don't.

Most of those who stayed home were those who don't vote regularly, they did a study on it already. Most of them were the people who jumped on the Obama bandwagon, but since he's forgotten them, I guess they forgot him.

zalinda

[orwell]

18. Yeah let's beat up the Dems more...

...we see how that worked last November.

[Shiver]

20. Can you link me to this study?

Because I just know what I observe and read, and what I've read indicated a lower voter turnout in Wisconsin than usual, even factoring in elections from before 2008.

[zalinda]

35. Pick one

The young and Independents stayed home. They got Obama into office and figured their job was done.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/11/democrats_lost_big_because_you.html

http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/unheralded-study-shows-why-democrats-and-obama-lost-the-2010-midterm-elections.html

http://www.minnpost.com/community_voices/2010/11/04/23048/why_the_democrats_lost_on_tuesday

http://www.blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTICLE/6957/2010-11-25.html

http://news.opb.org/article/18153-democrats_split_on_reasons_for_midterm_losses/

http://skynetcalifornia.blogspot.com/2010/11/why-democrats-lost-2010-midterm.html


Stop blaming the 'professional left' for Obama and the dems failures.

zalinda

[namahage]

31. So explain why Feingold lost, if people vote for Dems.

Unless you're claiming that Feingold was "Repub lite".

[Avant Guardian]

53. Exactly what happens when a Democratic president decides kissing GOP ass is more important

Than his base

[global1]

6. I Wonder What Walkers Support Is Now That They Know Him?....nt

[LeftyAndProud60]

8. Damn shame they didn't get to know him before they voted for him or stayed home and didn't vote.

I made sure to vote for Jerry Brown and the Dem ticket in my state.

[catgirl]

19. He kept quiet

After seeing the results of Sharron Angle and Rand Paul'sbabbling, he chose to remain silent.
It's too bad the voters (and non-voters) didn't bother to sesarch the internet for information
on him.

[walldude]

10. Bullshit. They didn't vote for a KING.

They voted for a REPRESENTATIVE. It's been made very clear that a SUPER MAJORITY of Americans are against this bill, which includes the citizens of Wisconsin.

[vaberella]

30. He's not doing anything new that he didn't stand for during his candidacy.

He's manipulating the system, but not doing anything illegal and when he said he would make tough decisions he had intentions. However the people of that state, 52% trusted him versus the Dem Governor and the Dem Senator. I felt they got what they wanted because he didn't really lie and people warned the of the mistake they would be making. I think that at times people need to sit back and take responsibility for the decisions you make.

[walldude]

37. Actually he is doing something illegal.

Using the State Police to hunt down the 14 Democrats who have fled the state is ILLEGAL. Look it up.

You think 48% of the people of Wisconsin should suffer because you want them to take responsibility for the rest of the people who couldn't see past the sound bites and TV propaganda? Really?

Do you think the Health Care bill should be stripped because the "people spoke" and voted in a Republican congress?

You think at times people should sit back and take responsibility for their decisions... Some people will make a decision this week between buying food and buying medication because they can't afford both. It's not their fault Wall Street stole their pension but there you have it. You think they should suffer the consequences of making the wrong decision?

Your solution to this seems to basically be "fuck you". Well as a liberal I could never think that way.

[Frustratedlady]

11. But, were the votes manipulated? I don't believe Repug votes anymore.

If it's honest, then they got what they asked for.

If not, it should be looked into.

One good thing is that every union member probably has a non-union member in their family or circle of friends who is also outraged. I can't see how Walker can ignore what is happening in the US today. If he still stands by his decision, he's either bull-headed or stoopid.

[Buzz Clik]

12. A lot of Dem states suffer from terminal stupidity.

Californians gleefully tossed out Grey Davis because of his enormous state debt, and they carried Arnold into the governors mansion on their shoulders. Now, the debt is twice that of Davis's.

It goes on and on.

Hey, Democrats: governing is hard work. So is getting the government you want. Get off your dead asses BEFORE the shit hits the fan.

[pansypoo53219]

14. in a non presidential election.

with a bad economy. AND AFTER THE SCOTUS GIVING CORPS FREEDOM FOR PROPAGANDA. walker did not win a MAJORITY of wis. the stoopids voted for jobs, not the GOP wish list.

[pscot]

15. Contemptible

Possum defense. Play dead when danger threatens.

[shotten99]

17. If the president gets involved at this point, it will look political.

Of course, if violence kicks off..he can restore peace.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. IT IS POLITICAL

seriously, what the fuck?

[Hawkowl]

28. +1

People seem to forget that the President IS first and foremost a politician. An ever apparent poor one at that. He should be jumping out in front of this parade, but then again, he probably is on the phone with the Koch brothers.

[MissDeeds]

41. +1

WTF indeed

[Autumn]

24. It should look political because this is a

fucking political issue about assholes using politics to destroy a class of people.

[JVS]

46. It already is, wingers think the unions are an appendage of the democratic party and that's why...

they are attacking.

[Warren Stupidity]

21. um really no.

The leader of the Labor Party should be using his BULLY FUCKING PULPIT to support the WORKERS and to oppose the PLUTOCRACY's coordinated attempt to defeat and destroy what is left of the labor movement in this country.

[WolfoftheWild]

23. are you certain that you are actually "lefty"?

[taught_me_patience]

56. Says the guy with 100 posts and joined a couple weeks ago...

I love your enthusiasm, but calling out people is uncouth (especially when they have 10x more history here than you do).

[Historic NY]

27. Obama came during the mid-terms & no one listened...

Wisconsin Republican Party Chairman Reince Priebus said trying to recapture the same enthusiasm as Obama had two years ago will be like "trying to raise the living dead in Wisconsin.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/From-the-Wires/2010/0928/Midterm-elections-run-up-shows-Democratic-desperation-says-GOP


then we had.....
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/03/feingold-to-miss-obama-wisconsin-visit/

[vaberella]

29. This is why I kind of feel as though they asked for it.

They hate Obama and/or felt he was wrong for them. They put in a Republican who set out to destroy them. The Dems should go back to Wisconsin and let the vote go as they wanted. Then when election time comes they can change things democratically. It's a bit cold-blooded, but isn't this what they voted for when they allowed this man to come into power?!

[Jakes Progress]

32. Learn some real life lessons.

What Wisconsin gets will be what other states get. People elsewhere laughed about Texas getting what it deserved when it elected bush. Then you got him too. People said that the stupid education test mania in Texas was what they deserved for electing republicans. Now we have our own president pushing the test mania.

Learn what solidarity is about. If you just laugh while the goons beat the organizers in some other profession, you won't get anything but laughs when they come to beat you.

[craigmatic]

33. Doesn't mean anything unless walker runs for potus. Besides Wisconsinites are pissed at walker.

[tekisui]

34. So Obama shuold stay silent on any actions by a repub governor?

52% isn't even a huge win.

[Jennicut]

36. On one hand it is fustrating that some voters stayed home. On the other hand,

this should be highlighted and talked about for all indies and Dem voters. You do get what you vote for. Every Dem leader should scream about it.

[vaberella]

39. This I agree with. Dem's should run on this. "You want a Repub, this is what you get." n/t

[lunatica]

38. Mid term elections draw very few people

So actually, people usually stay home which is unfortunate, but 50% of 20% of the population isn't a lot of votes. But good attempt to trash Wisconsinites.

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[ladjf]

42. The election was bankrolled and steamrolled by rich corporations.

Simple as that.

[polichick]

49. Which is why it's so important for Dems to write a strong narrative now...

Otherwise, the same thing will happen in 2012 and beyond.

Silent Dems are complicit in handing the gov't over to corporations.

[ladjf]

57. Without a doubt. Chances are that a large number of the Democratic

politicians are also on the take. No form of Government will work unless there are safeguards against
dishonest people getting in control of the apparatus. We most definitely aren't seriously trying to do away with fraudulent behavior. That suggest to me that the fix is already in.

[Forkboy]

43. Your argument is essentially cowardice.

I'm fairly indifferent to Obama's reaction to this, but your argument is horrible.

[zulchzulu]

44. $6 million in outside Koch Brothers political advertising... priceless...

It's a wee bit more complicated that trying to throw Wisconsin people under the bus because one might have attention deficit disorder.

Wait, what the fuck am I wasting my time on this pathetic thread for. I'm heading back downtown to a rally!

:hi:

[AtomicKitten]

45. Walker is doing an excellent job of f*&^ing up his own sh&t.

For that caliber of theater, you just hold his coat and step back.

[GTurck]

47. 52% of...

how many total voters. I am an election judge and in my small precinct a majority of those voting voted Republican but in all only @35% of those who could vote did so. In other words that percentage doesn't mean much unless 100% voted.
I am pretty mathematically illiterate and I understand that 75% of 4 is only 3 and is meaningless in any explanation. Even more if of that 3 only 1 vote you can claim that 33% voted but that leaves a big hole of understanding what all the people really want and why that one person can carry so much weight.

[polichick]

48. If his job is to be political, maybe you're right. But if his job is to lead in standing up for...

...Democratic principles, he's failing miserably.

[ClarkUSA]

50. Um, he hasn't kept "his mouth shut" at all. But he's letting WI protesters be the headline, not him.

"Obama voices strong support for Wisconsin public employees"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=613321&mesg_id=613321

"Why Obama is not in Wisconsln...Thom Hartmann explained.."

It is not about Obama, but the cause that the workers are fighting for.

If Obama goes to Wisconsin, then the right wing will focus on "Washington intervention in a state's business"...that one talking point, could change the focus of the debate..nothing would help the right wing more, than having Obama come and get involved in the so called local business of Wisconsin...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=618523&mesg_id=618523

If labor leaders and WI protesters haven't complained about President Obama, why do detractors and naysayers here persist in doing so?

[opihimoimoi]

51. The FW Messenger sez Walker support is down to 22% AND 65% WANNA SEE HIM 86

[Avant Guardian]

52. The excuses get more and more absurd every day

[Fire1]

54. Amen. n/t

[taught_me_patience]

55. I agree

This is a toxic issue for Obama that he should stay away from. Secondly, the Democratic senators should come back and have a vote. This is a democracy and Republicans won. They get to set the agenda. What are they going to do... stay in Illinois for the next four years?