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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 09:14 AM
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It's clear Obama wont have any meaningful legislative accomplishments, so he should...
End the Afghanistan war. That would truly show the power of the president.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 09:16 AM
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1. This statement:"Obama wont have any meaningful legislative accomplishments" is completely ridiculous
Edited on Thu Feb-17-11 09:16 AM by Pirate Smile
and inaccurate.
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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 09:17 AM
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2. please, he's not getting anything meaningful passed in the HOuse. NT
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 09:20 AM
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3. You didn't say "since the Republicans took over the House". You said it in general which meant the
previous 2 years when the Recovery Act, HCR & Financial Reform all passed. All of those are huge legislative accomplishments. I did not think you were saying from now until the 2012 election. I would probably agree with you on that.
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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 09:22 AM
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4. I'm talking about the present and future. Not the past. NT
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 09:30 AM
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5. HCR and financial reform were all huge legislative accomplishments?
Well I guess for some they were accomplishments. For everyone else they were miserable failures meant to screw over the people.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 09:36 AM
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6. Yes
Edited on Thu Feb-17-11 09:37 AM by ProSense
Liberals cheered when Elizabeth Warren was appointed interim director of the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau after a long internal fight. The bureau, which Warren first proposed in 2007, is one of the more expansive innovations of the financial-reform law known as the Dodd-Frank Act.

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The miracle of Dodd-Frank is that it got stronger as it moved through the process. The question now is whether that forward momentum will be reversed. Because the factions in the executive branch mirror those in Congress, it's worth looking back at the legislative story.

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The premise behind the Volcker Rule, like Glass-Steagall before it, is that there is a fundamental difference between commercial banking and investment banking. Commercial banking requires detailed local knowledge and patience. Nobody gets filthy rich lending to ordinary businesses. Investment banking, by contrast, is a trading culture. You don't need to know much about the underlying business if you have a feel for doing deals and reading market trends and can make a quick fortune. In the old days, investment bankers took these risks with their own money. Since the repeal of Glass-Steagall, giant outfits like Citigroup and Bank of America do both kinds of activity, putting their customers at risk and the taxpayer on the hook.

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New health care law provisions that kicked in January 1



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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 09:45 AM
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8. When does the provision that requires everyone buy health insurance from a private company kick in?
Edited on Thu Feb-17-11 09:48 AM by no limit
You know, the one that Obama actively campaigned against in 08? The same provision that Obama kept beating Hillary Clinton over the head with during the primaries?

How about that public option that they not only had the votes for but also kept insisting they wanted. When does that kick in?
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 10:08 AM
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9. LOL! What financial reform?
It was absolutely minimal, watered down sham, mostly just for show so they could claim to be doing something. Everyone knows will not and cannot prevent another financial disaster from occurring.

At every step of the negotiations Wall Street complained and senators working on the committee backed down and gave Wall Street what they wanted, which was the appearance of reform so that people would be calm and happy, without any real restrictions on Wall Street's practices or ability to create bubbles and make immense profits.

Want proof? We are seeing bubbles RIGHT NOW in food prices, in Municiple Bonds (look for cities and town with sudden big budget shortfalls).

Derivatives are Still not regulated. Banks got congress to back down, so Derivatives won't be regulated.

Glass-Steagal was not put back in place, and there is no plan to put it back in place.

No effective law enforcement exists to to regulate and watch over Wall Street because of the revolving door between firms and agencies, so there is no incentive to enforce the few regulations that do exist, and many incentives not to enforce them. Check out the current Rolling Stone for a really good article on exactly this point.

Anyone who touts financial reform is believing media hype that came from the administration because they didn't want to admit that they failed.. That's all it is, hype.

I haven't heard even one single person other than mouthpieces from this administration and the Fed making the claim that the "reforms" succeed in reforming anything. Every outside commentator, economist, and former regulator I have seen who interviewed or speaking publicly has said there absolutely will be another financial crisis, for the same basic reasons as this current one, and taxpayers will again be stuck paying for it, because none of the underlying problems have fixed, and deliberately so.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 10:59 AM
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11. This one:
Edited on Thu Feb-17-11 11:45 AM by ProSense
The fact is the Volcker rule is very similar to Glass Steagall.

Fed says no leeway on Volcker Rule timing.

Then there is the CFPB

You: "I haven't heard even one single person other than mouthpieces from this administration and the Fed making the claim that the "reforms" succeed in reforming anything. "

The rules are currently being debated and the focus is on trying to prevent lobbyists from gutting the reforms (speaking of derivatives).

The point is that some of the implementation is still in the rule-making stage, and most critics (from Johnson to Stiglitz) have been focused on making sure the rules are strong. Dodd-Frank laid a very good foundation for reform.

Teamsters Applaud SEC's Navistar Decision Upholding Dodd-Frank (updated)

People can say anything when something is just being implemented. It's likely that between the time FDR implemented the Social Security in 1935 and the first person received recurring benefits in 1939 at lot of people were impatient and calling it bogus. Some Republicans wanted it repealed.





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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 05:31 AM
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16. Um, the volker rule is MUCH more limited than
Glass-Steagal. It is much more limited that its original proposed for, and even in its original proposed form it was a watered down replacement for Glass-Steagal. So now it is a watered down replacement of a watered down replacement of Glass-Steagal. If that is "very similar" then a pond is very similar to an ocean.

Even if you are correct that the rules are still being made, the big discussion right now about whether or not Lobbyists can take part in eroding what is already in place, which is deliberately and blatantly inadequate because of the input lobbyists have already had.

That's an attempt to close the barn door after the fire.

If passed, it would prevent the lobbyists from eliminating even the sham of reform that exists now. But it would not do anything to retroactively make the existing reforms substantial. They were not substantial, and they are not suddenly going to become substantial.

Your second link shows that one effort is being made to reduce executive compensation, but ignores that the consensus is already in that loopholes in the regulations (deliberately inserted upon request) allow corporations to change compensation from one form to another that is allowable. That is already being done. All over wall street Income levels are already going UP again across the board, not down. Some firms doubled compensation across the board for all employees above a certain level. Where regulations prohibit one method of paying executives they don't prohibit several others, so executives always get paid.

We needed Glass-Steagal. Everyone knew it. We didn't get it because everyone knew it. That's why we didn't get it, and why this administration keeps trying to claim that not getting Glass-Steagal is just as good as getting Glass-Steagal. But if that was true, they could more easily have reinstated Glass-Steagal.

We also needed comprehensive regulation of derivatives. Not just a regulation some reporting requirements after a big sale of derivatives. Issuing paperwork that tells the SEC about a big sale after it has happened doesn't prevent an economic collapse. Comprehensive regulations in any industry have to prohibit risky actions, not require that you tell someone about it.

Preventing a huge behemoth investment/banking/finance corporation from making a trade through one department can't succeed when they can simply do the trade legally through one of their subsidiaries and then move the money through their books. That bypasses this so-called reform entirely. That's wouldn't be a loophole if they deliberately wrote the legislation so that mega-corporations can't be broken up, and the restrictions only apply to small companies who don't have subsidiaries they can use for this shell-game.

The economic type of economic risks that nearly destroyed our economy still are not prohibited, and won't be prohibited as long as the "too big to fail" corporations are allowed to keep growing and consolidating into "Even Bigger and can't be allowed to fail" groups of just a few huge giants that have immense power and control, not only over everything on Wall Street, but at the Fed, and in DC too.

They used all of our stimulus money to buy all of the remaining small competition. Only small banks and small companies went out of business, and are still going out of business, (with the one exception of Bear-Stearns, of course) so the remaining few Wall Street Giants are now much, much Larger, and pose an even greater risk to the economy now if they fail than 2 years ago.

And they will fail at some point because they know that they make better profits by taking bigger risks, and because they can't be allowed to fail, our tax money still must be spent to bail them out of any losses they take. Their companies are still immortal because our taxes still promise to pay for their losses. AT NO POINT have we passed any reform that requires any of these companies to pay for their own risks or mistakes. But we have codified that they cannot be allowed to fail.

If you really think we saw any reform, would it have allowed the very conditions that caused the economic collapse to not only continue, but to also get worse? Would we have the giants getting bigger? would we have those giants already inflating 2 known bubbles as we speak (that we know of so far), sucking profit out our economy and preventing a recovery. (food and municipal bonds.)
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 09:44 AM
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7. I understood what you meant. ;)
:dem:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 10:50 AM
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10. Just to show power?
He isn't against that war, he's for it. Why should he do something he does not want to do just to show power?

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 11:17 AM
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12. most people point to his first two years as the most productive legislatively since LBJ
but it is correct that with a GOP congress that will no longer be the case.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 11:47 AM
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13. Or just give up now.
I mean, really. It's over. He might as well admit it.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:43 AM
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23. Gonna be a long 5+ years for some DUers, I see.
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 12:46 AM by CakeGrrl
:evilgrin:

Sorry, but I just don't think he'll treat you to a resignation speech.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:52 AM
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24. Ironic that someone so bitter has so many hearts.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 12:04 PM
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14. He already has meaningful legislative accomplishments
Food Safety and Modernization Act

Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal

Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010

Small Business Jobs and Credit Act

Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act

Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

Credit CARD Act of 2009

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 12:20 PM
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15. Congress would just override him...
just like they did with GITMO.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 05:52 AM
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17. LMFAO
Edited on Sat Feb-19-11 06:05 AM by Drunken Irishman
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 02:21 PM
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18. The whole premise of your statement is false.
Health care, finreg, START, the DADT repeal, the stimulus...yeah, all just drops in the bucket, eh?

Jesus Christ some of you people are so willfully delusional.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 11:33 PM
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20. I'd settle for a full pullout of Iraq and stonewalling the repub congress.
He should just hold his ground and not sign anything the repubs pass.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 11:43 PM
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21. I think he should cure cancer.
He won't get any credit for it, of course, but it would be a nice contribution to the human race.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:29 AM
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22. Cynical Pessimism is not rec'd .....imho... Come, we be HAPPY
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Dokkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 02:06 AM
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25. I will give my right pinky
If Obama really ended the wars before the summer. And by that, I mean stop the depleted uranium rounds, done strikes and a complete pu out from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and all the closing all the gulf state bases.

I am sure the money saved can be used to save SS and most of the state budgets.
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