Fox Mistakenly Claims Obama Misquoted Bible

[Pirate Smile]

Fox Mistakenly Claims Obama Misquoted Bible

Though Fox News claims President Obama "misquoted a familiar Bible verse" during the National Prayer breakfast yesterday, Media Matters points out "they seem unfamiliar with the fact that there is more than one version of the Bible."

Obama was quoting from the New International Version, while Fox was pointing to the King James Version to "debunk" him.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/02/04/fox_mistakenly_claims_obama_misquoted_bible.html

So typically Fox.

[liberal N proud]

1. Mistakenly my ass

Nothing FOX does to ridicule or condemn the President is done by mistake.

[indepat]

4. Yeah! Nothing FOX does to ridicule or condemn the president is done by

mistake. :applause:

[Botany]

5. just like they loaded video from a McCain Palin campaign stop in 2008 ....

.... and broadcast it as 2010 tea party rally. The only mistake they make is thinking that
nobody understands their agenda.

[gristy]

24. I was going to get all bent out of shape with the "mistakenly" qualifier, when

clearly the word should have been "falsely". But then I clicked on the link and see that it is just a blog post.

[annabanana]

2. I guess the St. James is the only "real" version.

Their hands guided by God.. All other versions are the script of the Devil.

:silly:

[phleshdef]

3. The crazy thing is, a ton of evangelicals use the NIV. Its just easier to read.

[jberryhill]

32. It's not just easier to read

...but it was also specifically translated from best available sources to support evangelical doctrine.

[TexasProgresive]

6. That's King James and he ain't no saint. n/t

[yellowcanine]

12. If the King James version was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for me!

Heh. I heard that somewhere and love it when I have a chance to use it.

[TexasProgresive]

17. The first woman governor of Texas- Ma Ferguson said

and was quoted by the 2nd woman governor of Texas the Late Great Ann Richards, " If English was good enough for Jesus it's good enough for me!"

[jwirr]

7. A lot of the fundies refuse to use any other version. I believe it is

because that one uses old english which is not a familiar language so they have an easier time misinterpreting it.

[yellowcanine]

13. Also using words such as "spake", "ye" , "whosoever" and "believeth" simply sounds more Godly.

You don't see a lot of them using the New King James, for example, which is mostly the old KJV with updated language.

[JuniperLea]

22. It's that Olde Queen's English...

Just complicated enough to be misconstrued... or misrepresented. It's all about the interpretation, donchano.

[Odin2005]

26. Early Modern English, not Old English.

[Aristus]

27. Not defending the idjits in any way, shape, or form; but, etymologically speaking,

The King James Version is written in Modern English.

Linguists dispute the particulars, but conventional wisdom states that English entered its "modern" form around 1600. So the KJV and the Shakespeare canon are written in what is technically called Modern English.

The Canterbury Tales are written in Middle English.

Beowulf is written in Old English.

[jberryhill]

31. Some fundies are that way, but not most evangelicals

Mainstream evangelicals tend to prefer the NIV, which was specifically produced by an evangelical publishing house. The level of scholarship was exceptional, but still doctrinally guided.

[On the Road]

8. Would it be Possible for Political Wire to at Least Give the Citation?

Obviously the person who passed this on to the writer must have known the verse and the context Obama used it in.

[Pirate Smile]

10. Isaiah 40:31 - Here is the MMFA article:

Attention Fox Nation: There Is More Than One Version Of The Bible
February 04, 2011 9:45 am ET by Ben Dimiero

Conservatives have spent the last several years trying to cast doubt on President Obama's Christianity, often by suggesting he is a secret Muslim or claiming that he is a non-believer pretending to be Christian for political benefit. Sadly, their smear campaign has been effective - Pew reported last year that only 34 percent of Americans believe Obama is Christian (compared to nearly 18 percent who think he is Muslim.)

You might think it would be difficult for conservative smear merchants to continue to cast doubt on Obama's faith when he calls Jesus Christ "my lord and Savior," like he did at yesterday's annual National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, DC.. But, as "news" outlets like Fox Nation have shown time and again, they have absolutely no standards and are willing to manufacture scandals out of thin air when reality doesn't coincide with their chosen narrative.

If you visit Fox Nation right now, you are greeted by the following story on their front page:



If you follow the link, you are taken to a page on Fox Nation that claims Obama "misquoted a familiar Bible verse" during his address yesterday:

President Obama misquoted a familiar Bible verse during a faith-based address at the National Prayer Breakfast.

"Those who wait on the Lord will soar on wings like eagles, and they will run and not be weary, and they will walk and not faint," the president said during a speech to several thousand people at the breakfast.

But the actual passage, from Isaiah 40:31, states: "But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

Somewhat ironically, while Fox Nation appears to be positioning themselves as the arbiters of authentic Christianity, they seem unfamiliar with the fact that there is more than one version of the Bible.

Obama was quoting from the New International Version, while Fox Nation was pointing to the King James Version to "debunk" him.

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

Most likely, they won't bother to correct their story, and their goal will be accomplished: the readers that trust them will remember the time Obama "misquoted" the Bible, some more people will question the authenticity of Obama's faith, and the smear machine will move on.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102040006

[On the Road]

Thank You --

I thought that little bit in the original link was all there was.

I can see the issue -- there is an extra phrase in KJV. Probably an issue where the NIV chose a different variant text. But all would take is to Google Obama's actual phrasing.

[On the Road]

20. Thank You --

I thought that little bit in the original link was all there was.

I can see the issue -- there is an extra phrase in KJV. Probably an issue where the NIV chose a different variant text. But all would take is to Google Obama's actual phrasing.

[chelsea0011]

9. What do they have over there...bible researchers on hand.

[tanyev]

11. Geez. He could really explode their heads if he learned a few passages in Hebrew.

[unblock]

14. i'm sure he knows more than a few. the "secret muslim" meme is counter-intelligence

the obama campaign put out the "he's a secret muslim" meme out there early on to better disguise the fact that he's actually a secret JEW.










:rofl:

[Pirate Smile]

15. Interesting term from the comments on the Political Wire: ChINO's = Christians In Name Only re the

people who use Christianity as a bludgeon but don't seem to actually understand the values Christ actually promoted.

[Leithan]

16. Fuck Faux

They are perfectly willing to ignore the Bible when it suits them.

[Vattel]

18. Obama didn't quite accurately quote NIV version, but

Fox jumping on it is, of course, ridiculous

[SnakeEyes]

19. Yeah, even if NIV... still inaccurate

But still ridiculous

[Vattel]

25. I take it back.

Different versions of NIV are available. Obama quoted student edition according to some blogger. I would check, but I just don't care enough.

[Igel]

29. Nope.

Everybody's trying to defend his quotation. If it's a quotation, if he's citing the entire verse, then it's simply wrong. Trying to defend a mistake because it's done by one of us is as stupid as when they defend a mistake because it's done by one of them. No amount of trying to say, "But he's quoting a different translation" is going to make the problem that he left material out of the quote. Student editions don't randomly drop out text. The 1984 NIV has "will renew"; the 2010 NIV has "will renew."

It just shows that some people really want, contra Monty Python, that "no it isn't" is some sort of reasoned argument. It isn't.

The winning answer is that it's not a proper quote at all, it's a run-in quote.

It's the difference between my saying that Vattel said, "Obama quoted student edition according to some blogger" and my saying that according to Vattel the problem is the president was quoting a "student edition according to some blogger." There's even loose quoting, in which I could say that Vattel said that Obama was quoting a student edition according to some blogger.

In the first instance, it's a proper quote, the state and end of a sentence nicely set off by ". In the second, the quote is run in and I screw with the first few words' grammar before beginning the quote in order to make it syntactically correct. If I were speaking that sentence, trying to decide where to put in the " would be a vexed nuisance. In the third case, there are no quotation marks--or I could put them in wherever my text matches yours. Or not at all. (It's a transcription nightmare, this precise problem: Is it a complete quote, a run-in quote, or a paraphrase. Eh.)

By arguing that Obama's "quote" was correct, but he was using the Wichaboodoodlypright Version of the Bible that nobody including him has ever heard of just makes the point for Fox.

[jberryhill]

30. That was a poor move by Zondervan

They put a lot of effort into the first NIV - even though they were clear about the fact that ambiguities were decided in favor of an evangelical Christian doctrinal point of view.

And then they did more than one version of more accessible English.

Nonetheless, I find it interesting that Obama would use the NIV as the reference point for a quote, as it is the leading translation used by evangelicals.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. They are idiots

Here is a wee bit of triva that most folk do not know, even now, for some reason. Barack is a Biblical name, he is the first President with a 'Bible name' as my family calls them since Carter, if we call him James, and I do not think he'd mind. Barack means 'lightening' or 'flash of lightening' and in the OT, a king of that name offers aid to Deborah in the Book of Judges, I thinks. Might be spelled Barak. But it is there.

[Bake]

23. I actually like the King James.

Once you recognize that (a) it's not a great translation, and (b) in a lot of places it's based on suspect manuscripts (see, e.g., the long ending to Mark's Gospel), the language alone is magnificent.

I also still like the "old" Revised Standard Version.

Bake

[sakabatou]

28. Fox gets so much shit wrong.