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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:52 AM
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David Axelrod: "No grand repositioning"; Obama is a "progressive"

David Axelrod: "No grand repositioning"; Obama is a "progressive"

By Greg Sargent

David Axelrod chatted with around a dozen bloggers at the White House late yesterday, and I got a chance to ask him to respond to all the claims -- coming from left-leaning, right-leaning and nonpartisan observers alike -- that Obama is in the midst of an ideological makeover in the wake of the 2010 losses and in preparation for reelection.

Axelrod adamantly denied there had been any discussions about repositioning at all and reaffirmed that Obama is a "progressive." Axelrod's answer, alternately frustrated and pleading, is worth quoting at length, because it captures something interesting about the collision between Obama and Axelrod and Washington's permanent culture.

Axelrod acknowledged that something fundamental about Obama's public persona had been "ground down," and also shared an anecdote I hadn't heard before about his big breakout speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004:

I'm not going to change the nature of this town and the nature of our politics....But we tend to sit on the back of the truck and look at what happened before, and then define what's happening now in the context of what happened some other time.

So, Bill Clinton repositioned himself to the center, and that's the prescription for what you do and so on. I guarantee you, as God is my witness, we have not had a repositioning discussion here. We have not talked about, "let's move three degrees to the right." That's not the way we view this.

It is true that we have to go back to first principles and really think about what it is that drives us and what it is that has been so central to Barack Obama's public life and outlook. Because some of that has been sort of ground down in the minutia of day-to-day governing here...

I mean, there's nothing that the President said last night that I couldn't draw a straight line from to speeches that he has made way back to 2004.

I got a reporter's inquiry, `the President seemed very optimistic and he seemed to be talking about American exceptionalism last night, and is this a reaction to the elections?' And I said, go back to his convention speech in 2004.

When the President got the call that he was going to give the keynote speech at the convention in 2004, I was with him. We were driving in a car in downstate Illinois, on some dark road somewhere with bad cell service. So we had to call back and confirm that he actually was going to be the keynote speaker, because the call got dropped. And the first thing he said was, "I think what I want to do is wrap my story in the larger American story and talk about what it is that makes us who we are."

And it's something that he believes deeply in, and it's what he talked about last night...I mean, there's no doubt he is progressive in his outlook and that's what he believes in. But he has never been particularly dogmatic...His fundamental view is you don't have to agree on everything, or even most things, to work together on some things. And so there was no sort of grand repositioning...

But I'm not going to defeat this. I had a politician in this town say to me, after the speech in Tucson, "Boy, that was a great speech. I can see he is really thinking about re-election." And I'm thinking, "What are you talking about?" Because I spoke to the President before and after that speech, and I'll tell you what he was thinking about more than anything else. He was speaking about a nine-year-old girl who was about the same age as his girl. And he was pretty broken up about it. And all he wanted to do was speak to that moment.

But everything in this town gets evaluated in that way, and that's just the way it is. Anybody who says that, I will give them a volume of Barack Obama speeches going back many, many years, and I will defy them to say, where has he changed? Where is he different? Where is his basic approach different than it was when he started on this journey five and six and seven years ago?

Axelrod, of course, has contributed to the excesses of Washington culture. But as the above captures pretty neatly, he's also long been said to be genuinely ambivalent about it and even disappointed that he and Obama have failed to change it in any meaningful way.



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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:54 AM
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1. Axelrod is a paid agent with a job to catapult the propaganda, or course he would say this nt
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:57 AM
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4. Thats really funny.

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:56 AM
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2. Define "progressive". nt
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:29 AM
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9. That is a very legitimate request
What does it mean?

To me, it is getting people on the same page. The page is formed by a contemplation of the future consequences of actions. Everyone agrees about the page because it is founded on wisdom. Wisdom is determined by a study of history and science in an atmosphere that promotes learning and understanding by all. It's more about fostering a long-term, stable, working world.

Is that progressive?

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:14 AM
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13. Nope, I mean that I would like to hear Mr. Axelrod define progressive -
and "not republican" is not going to cut it as an answer.

"Getting people on the same page" is not a definition for progressive. That is a definition for bi-partisanship and so far that has netted zero for workers.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 02:03 PM
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23. So how do you make progress?
Just duke it out? That never works. It creates a lot of fodder for the late-night comics. Stonewalling like the Repubs? Voting down good ideas that maybe one's party didn't come up with just because the idea came from another party?

I'll give you an example of progress that I made in a room full of Republicans during the height of Bush popularity. The ratio was about 20 Repubs to 1 Dem.

I was fully prepared to take these people through what "privatization of Social Security" was going to really mean to them. Very few attendees really understood. My congress critter was there to tout Bush's privatization. I read the bullet points of a nonpartisan analysis by a well-known economist of what privatization looked like to the average member of the middle class and proved that privatization was a big gamble. My congress critter couldn't deny any of my points and the whole room turned to him to do just that. When he couldn't, I had several people come to me and ask for copies of the articles and links I had provided and many of them thanked me for presenting just the facts.

There were a number of Dems at that meeting who got a chance to speak and looked like fools because they couldn't stay on the subject matter and chose to use their time to bash Bush (granted, it was tempting). They were ineffective.

Social security privatization died on the vine for Bush. Progress is made through education and taking advantage of opportunities for education.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:03 PM
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28. I think we need to fact the fact that Obama is not a progressive,
and move on from there. I don't advocate electoral politics because it doesn't matter for working class folks in terms of economic issues. Education is critical, and part of educating is being honest about what people are experiencing in this country.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 04:48 AM
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35. If you don't think Obama is a progressive, you are probably correct to not care about electoral
politics. Because the idea that we are going to get a President more progressive than Obama is fanciful.

Fortunately, most people disagree with you.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:13 AM
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40. If he's the most progressive that we can get then we are fucked.
:cry:
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:14 AM
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5. who cares if he's a progressive 'in his outlook'?
what good does a progressive outlook do when you're extending the Bush tax cuts and giving up on the unemployed?
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:17 AM
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6. Progressive my eye.
Obama may be a lot of things, but progressive and liberal he ain't.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:15 AM
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14. thank you. nt
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:06 PM
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32. slight disagreement, he might not be a liberal, but he is a progressive, the two are not the same nt
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 03:46 AM
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34. Progressively worse
As in he is progressively worse than previous Democratic Presidents. He makes Bill Clinton look like a bleeding heart liberal and Jimmy Carter look like a Commie.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:08 AM
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38. Progress for who; the super rich.
They are the only ones progressing.

Are the jobless progressing when they can't find jobs.
Are the homeowners progressing when they lose money daily on the value of their home.
Are the workers progressing when their wages stay the same and their health insurance premiums keep going up.

We're still waiting to hear about Social Security. How will that progress under President Obama? Retirement age, raising the payroll tax, etc..

The only example I can think of is DADT. But then there's his position on gay marriage.

Progressive my ass.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:25 AM
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7. Habeas.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:25 AM
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8. Ha!
Barack Obama is not a progressive -- he is a center-right politician.

What is more disturbing is that Axelord thinks that we are so stupid or adoring of Obama that he can get away with catapulting propaganda like that.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:31 AM
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10. He shouldn't call himself that. Progressives whiners have tarnished the name.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:10 AM
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12. "Who we are" is not low-wage "competitors" in the international "free market"

Obama's drive to the bottom continues, sabotaging Social Security and setting up a new economic downturn, freezing government spending on the heels of just giving away billions to the rich in tax cuts we cannot afford.

Obama's been had, or worse, is complicit in the dismantling of the middle class that the Republicans have been at for years.

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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:16 AM
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15. Yeah, uh, bullshit.
Axelrod really knows how to shovel it.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:28 AM
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16. Saying so, does not make it so.
I would never consider him a progressive. A nice centrist, maybe.:shrug: un rec for the :puffpiece:
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:59 AM
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18. Of course he is. As his amazing achievements over the past two years proves
The so-called progressives who hated him - have no idea what being "progressive" means.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:18 PM
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20. I'm starting to think it means...
sticking to your guns, biting heads off and getting nothing done. Remain uncompromising even in the face of disaster.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:02 AM
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37. A real progressive would never extend tax cuts for the rich.
NEVER, under any circumstance.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:01 PM
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19. At best he's a centrist.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:23 PM
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21. Cue Twilight Zone Music again...
Relax. Obama is a progressive. He really is. He is a progressive. Stare into the circle. He is a progressive. No, he really is.




:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:55 PM
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22. LOL
riiiiiiiiiight....

....we believe you, David ;)
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 02:25 PM
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24. They never really called themselves a progressive administration before that I can remember. I know
they've done some progressive things but you get the sense that Obama doesn't like labels. Does anybody else remember them defining themselves this way before or is it just me?
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 02:16 AM
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30. he's Pragmatic!
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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 05:52 PM
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25. Here's what I don't understand:
Why do people that clearly don't agree with progressive principles feel so compelled to paint themselves as something they don't respect?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:03 PM
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26. War is Peace! Ignorance is Knowledge! Slavery is Freedom!
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:29 PM
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27. I agree with Axelrod that there has been absolute consistency
in Barack Obama's views since 2004, and even earlier. I voted to elect him to the Senate in 2004 in my state. I listened to him then, and I've spoken with colleagues of his at the University of Chicago Law School, who explained to me that what I was seeing was what I was getting.

Everything I heard in the State of the Union harked back to earlier speeches and statements he has made. He hasn't moved an inch. It's his calm consistency I like. It's the media, who needs a story, who wants to have a hook to write about. It's the blogosphere, who never really paid much attention to what he was saying, who like to project their own hopes and disappointments on him. But the man is like a rock. He is who he is. You may not like it, but you can't say he's putting on an act or changing his views.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:37 AM
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29. How was he consistent when he stated in his speech in late 2008 that ...
he was tired of presidential candidates putting out detailed plans on HC only to then make deals with lobbyists once they get in the WH.

How did that deal with Billy Tauzin work when it went against his detailed plan on Medicare negotiating for bulk prices? And you would think a "progressive" would not silence not for profit advocates from the HC discussion, but sadly he did. :(

Enough is enough he said, that is Not who we are!

Well???


BARACK OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN’S PLAN TO LOWER HEALTH CARE COSTS
AND ENSURE AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE HEALTH COVERAGE FOR ALL

9 page pdf
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf


Barack Obama: Newport News, Virginia
October 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9PIN03qGjg





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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:11 AM
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39. Did he not say he was for single-payer?
Did he not say he would only accept a bill with a public option?
Did he not say that extending tax cuts for the rich would never happen?

I don't think we're the ones that weren't listening.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 05:12 AM
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31. "Progressive"???
:spray: oh gawd :rofl: though actually ... it's not funny at at. :-(
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:08 PM
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33. are you sure your not confusing progressive and liberal? n/t
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:00 AM
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36. Bwaahhahhahahhhahahhhah!!!
Right, because progressives LOVE widening the wealth gap.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:15 AM
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41. Are we sure he wasn't talking about the Afghanistan war.
That's progressing nicely.
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