Obama to speak soon at Richard Holbrooke's memorial service.

[jenmito]

It's on C-Span 2 and here, too: http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2

And audio only here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

[eleny]

1. What a week!

[jenmito]

3. I know-so much loss-so much comforting to do.

[jenmito]

2. He's speaking now.

[eleny]

4. Thanks, I've got C-Span2 on

[truedelphi]

5. What a pretty face has been placed on Holbrooke

Everyone everywhere knows what a good person this guy was.

Except for the dead, for whom few speak.

"According to a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law and an attorney for the Bosnian association of genocide survivors from the eastern Bosnian town of Srebrenica "the Mothers of Srebrenica" professor Francis A. Boyle, Richard Holbrook, who was Assistant U.S. Secretary of State in mid 90s, had a collusion with Serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic, who has been charged by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) with genocide, extermination, murder, deportation, inhumane acts, and other crimes against Bosnian civilians,committed during the 1992-1995 Serbian aggression against Bosnia."

200,000 Skeletons in Richard Holbrooke's Closet?
by Sunil Sharma
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles

The Dismantling of Yugoslavia: A Study in Inhumanitarian Intervention (and a Western Liberal-Left Intellectual and Moral Collapse)
Edward S. Herman and David Peterson
http://www.monthlyreview.org

[jenmito]

6. How classy of you.

:eyes:

[ProSense]

9. You just don't get it

"According to a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law and an attorney for the Bosnian association of genocide survivors from the eastern Bosnian town of Srebrenica "the Mothers of Srebrenica" professor Francis A. Boyle, Richard Holbrook, who was Assistant U.S. Secretary of State in mid 90s, had a collusion with Serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic, who has been charged by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) with genocide, extermination, murder, deportation, inhumane acts, and other crimes against Bosnian civilians,committed during the 1992-1995 Serbian aggression against Bosnia."

That was Holbrooke's fault. Don't you know that he was working independently of the Clinton administration? Everyone is a war criminal since Obama took office.

[jenmito]

10. You're right...

what was I thinking? :)

[impik]

12. Everyone is a war criminal since Obama took office.

Excellent, excellent line. I'm trying to follow the president's speech and hold my tongue, but boy, this is difficult.

[truedelphi]

13. I have been trying to expose

Holbrooke and Armitage from long before Obama was even a blip on anyone's radar. (google my user id here and the term "democraticunderground" + "Armitage" and you should see that I have long been complaining about any of the underground Masters of War and Carnage)

Which reminds me - Kennedy was a blip on no one's radar (except Dady' Joe's) in 1958.

Maybe we can have

Grayson/Feingold 2012!

Do you think I will approve of a Master of Carnage now just because there is a Democratic President?

Are the people of the Balkans less dead because Obama got in?

How exactly would that work? (I mean, I wish it did, but that's not how it works.)

[karynnj]

15. Your history is about as poor as your links were

In 1956, JFK narrowly list the VP nomination to Kefauver (D, RN). This was in the days where the nominating process was in a "smoke filled room". JFK was very much on the the radar of TPTB.

Grayson is a former Representative who likely lost because of an ad he should not have run. Feingold has more gravitas but he has already denied any intention of running for anything.

Care to actually give your vaunted sources for your allegations?

[truedelphi]

17. War is a crime dot org

Try this one to hear the story behind the real Holbrooke:

http://warisacrime.org/content/true-richard-holbrooke-legacy

As far as being on the "radar" - most Americans had not heard of JFK in 1958.

[karynnj]

18. The 1856 VP contest was very well covered and JFK was

very well known. In addition, this was a time where the population as a whole had less say on who the nominee was. The fact that he nearly won the VP in 1956 meant he had support from party bosses - something that Grayson doesn't have. I am 100% confident in saying that Grayson will never be a viable candidate for President.

Your source Stephen Lendman is completely unknown to me - and googling for a bio does not turn up anything that suggests that he has first hand information for disagreeing with all the standard sources. The fact that he is criticized for breaking up Yugoslavia and it is said starting the problem ignores that many argue the US ignored the conflict for far too long - and allowed many to be killed. That is something I read when it was happening. (In fact Gore had argued that we needed to be involved at an earlier point.)

[karynnj]

19. Obviously meant 1956 - I confess to being a horrible typist

[karynnj]

8. Neither of your links take you to the articles that you list

- as such their sources can not be assessed. Holbrooke is credited with the Dayton Accord that ended the hostilities. A charge that he "had a collusion with Karadzic is extremely strong and nothing I ever read suggested it was even remotely true.

To post something like this here is pretty low class - even if you could get your links fixed.

Samantha Powers just spoke of him buying 60 copies of her book on genocide and gave them to others to read. Does that seem to fit your charges?

[jenmito]

11. Thank you for actually clicking on those links to find that out...

I wonder what the poster's excuse will be...if any.

[karynnj]

14. You are welcome - given the content of what he wrote, I clicked

because I was sure they were dubious sources. It is really weird to have not one but two links go astray.

[jenmito]

16. Good job...

and she STILL hasn't given the correct links.

[jonnyblitz]

20. Amy Goodman had a discussion of this asshole on

"Democracy Now" when he died. you're wasting your time trying to convince this bunch of anything though. :crazy:

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/15/richard_holbrooke_dies_at_69_remembering

[truedelphi]

21. Thank you for the link.

I knew people of Croatian and Serbian descent, and this man basically set up the murders of their relatives.

[RufusTFirefly]

7. Holbooke's not dead. He was just kidding. n/t