Some people will never be disappointed on the health bill, regardless of how much it's watered down

[mcablue]

There is a group of "progressives" that was not disappointed that Single Payer was out of the picture from the beginnning. We have the public option, they said. After cheering for the public option, they pretended it wasn't that important once it died. The Trigger might just work, because it would be accompanied by the Medicare buy-in. Now they are pretended that buy-in isn't important, because we have the...well, that thing we're left with.

The criteria used to support the health bill is: "Will Obama sign it?" If the answer is "yes," the members of that group will not be disappointed and will lash out against those who oppose it.

[VMI Dem]

1. The goalposts move with every setback.

Its pathetic.

[Blasphemer]

2. It seems so... every compromise is somehow excused... nt

[dmallind]

3. "Some" is inarguable, nut not many.

I for one have defended just about every variation of the HCR bills, and will doubtless defend the final version.

That does not mean I am not disappointed now, or well before now. Personally I wanted Single Payer as the default option. I was OK with a strong PO and other controls. The Medicare expansion was a promising step, and so on.

You can defend a suboptimal bill without hypocrisy on the basis of incremental improvement. Do we want restrictions on the use of pre-existing conditions or not to cancel coverage for example? Surely yes. We of course want a lot more than that, but that's like turning down a 2% pay increase because you want a 50% raise.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. What will Michelle be wearing at the signing?

[QC]

8. Something that shows off her arms, one would hope.

They are fabulous!

[Mass]

5. Both sides are pathetic.

Those who are not disappointed by the health bill are pathetic for sure, but those who are here saying that we should drop the bill because it is disappointing are just as pathetic. For one thing, most of them never supported anything that was on the table. They cannot understand that even limited and flawed, this bill will help some people more than NOTHING. Stopping everything will only arrived to one result: NO HEALTHCARE REFORM for the next 20 years.

I do not know any progressives that was not disappointed and is not disappointed NOW. I certainly am, but once again, I have been disappointed for quite a while, as the Senate bill has never met my standard of a good bill (not with such a weak public option to start with). But there is a difference between being disappointed and accepting the status quo (which is what those who oppose it do de facto).

[freddie mertz]

6. John Nefflinger sees it differently.

HCR was probably lost before we began.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x59100

[Mass]

7. I dont disagree with him, but as limited as what we have is, it is worth passing.

(in fact, I totally agree with him. By taking single payer off the table, it made every compromise that could have been useful look lefty and doomed it with the "corporate" democrats).

The simple fact the GOP opposes it is a good sign that it is worth something. Not as much as some would want to tell us, far from it, opposing it for the sake of opposing it is not an answer.