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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:29 AM Original message |
Ezra Klein. "A lot of progressives woke up this morning feeling like they lost. They didn't." |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. kick for perspective |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. But "we" will frame it as a loss. Kind of no matter what. |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. So true. People invested in selling this as a huge failure are unrec'ing this because we certainly |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
3. As long as they're including mandates without measures to curb prices... |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
19. That's my question this morning... |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Wish I could help you feel better about this, but I feel sick about it... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
44. The question you raise might be What has happened to Medicaid expansion? |
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Richardo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
4. Thanks for posting this |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
5. THIS. Recommended. n/t |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
6. War is peace and this bill is a win. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Right - more through the looking glass stuff. nt |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
42. They think calling it "reform" makes it so - |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
8. Blah-Blah... this is a give away to the Insurance Industry . Plain and simple. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
9. Think of the good $900 billion could do in a real national universal health system |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. But how would the corporate parasites get a cut if we did that? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. How silly of you |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. What was I thinking??? n/t |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. I'd say this bill is more a sign of how progressives are taken advantage of by the Democrats. |
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Umbral (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
11. "...the largest social policy achievement since the Great Society." |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. That means only 60+ more years for a public option! Can't wait til 2070! |
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Umbral (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I hope I can hold out that long. nt |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
12. Uh it is a loss |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
13. And how long will it take to "fix" this bill later? |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
14. K&R. Getting this bill signed into law is absolutely necessary. |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
16. Rec'd...thanks! n/t |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
17. K and R for a little bit of positivity. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
22. Ezra Klein has been for a long t ime the spokeman of "any reform" |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
23. I simply do not buy this bullshit any longer. n/t |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
25. If Americans do not participate, they deserve the Congress they get-bought and paid for by lobbyists |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
27. You tell them Ezra! NT |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
28. It's amazing watching Dems try to spin this as positive |
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sojourner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
29. kick and recommend..... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
30. Mandatory for-profit insurance + no price controls is a MAJOR loss for regular people. Unrec. nt |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
31. WRONG, IMHO, This is simply the Enronization of insurance. It is a scam, a con, a fraud, |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
32. K&R. I heard him on MSNBC last night. He made a lot of sense. n/t |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
33. I Suppose For People Like Klein Perhaps It Looks GOOD To Him! |
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Garam_Masala (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
34. $900 Billion more revenues for the Private Insurance Industry is good? |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Yes |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
56. More likely to help them pay for too expensive premiums and still be priced out of copays and... |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
35. I would like to to see the feasibility tested of filing a class- action lawsuit on behalf |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
36. "Without a Public Option, there is NO reform."...Howard Dean. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
37. Yup. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
39. Good analysis |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Some people prefer a glorious defeat to a compromise victory. There weren't the votes for what they |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Ezra Klein is one smart young guy |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. This is called progress..just bc it's |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
41. As I understand it |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Congress can raise it then. Once the framework is set it isn't nearly as hard to tinker around the |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. When are they going to "tinker" with it, 10 years down the road, 20, 30? n/t |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 06:05 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Once the framework is set up, Congress tinkers with these programs all the time. It is the initial |
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budkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
46. Sorry Ezra, they did. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
47. interesting. nt |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
50. K&R |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
51. kick |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
52. Without a PO it's a giveaway to the Insurance industry. KILL IT! |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
53. Weren't so many on the so called left |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
54. If HCI is unaffordable what difference does a nice bill make? |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
55. K&R |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
58. KNR! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
59. Pure unmitigated tripe. Why does this idiot think that insurance = health care? |
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