PETA: Obama's support of Michael Vick's hiring "appropriate."

[Clio the Leo]

PETA, others react to Obama’s praise for Michael Vick
Tue Dec 28, 2:03 pm ET
By Rachel Rose Hartman

The president's decision to offer praise for NFL quarterback Michael Vick is garnering mostly positive reviews from the public--including from the largest animal rights group in the world.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) told The Washington Post's Perry Bacon Jr. that it was "appropriate" for Obama to praise the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles for giving Vick a second chance following Vick's prison term for his role in a dog-fighting ring.

"Obama's a sports guy, Vick's a sports guy, and comebacks and redemption can happen," PETA president Ingrid E. Newkirk told Bacon. "We all want a president who can lift us up and move us forward when ugly things happen, but that cannot let us forget and remain watchful to avoid future abuses."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20101228/ts_yblog_theticket/peta-others-react-to-obamas-praise-for-michael-vick

[prolesunited]

1. Traitors!!!!

How could they!?!?!?

[martymar64]

94. Just shows they can be bought as well. I've always considered them Limousine Liberals anyway.

[prolesunited]

105. I was joking

Obviously, you aren't. No one can pass the DU purity test.

[martymar64]

106. I just don't find willful cruelty to animals funny.

And what's this purity test BS?

Not everything is about politics. Some things are about common human decency and PETA's statement just ruined their credibility forever as far as I am concerned. They are naked in their hypocrisy.

If you want to cheer for the Dog Killer on the gridiron, have at it Hoss. Just don't expect me to cheer along.

[prolesunited]

107. And he makes huge leaps in a single bound

I could give a shit about Vick and I don't watch football. You won't find me cheering either. And who the fuck is Hoss?

[martymar64]

109. Sorry, I thought you were one of the Dog Killer defenders.

Way too many here on DU feel compelled to defend the most heinous cruelty and are bending over backwards to say how reformed and changed the Dog Killer is that and that we are so mean to poor little Mikey Vick because we just won't forgive or forget what he did even though he promised never to do it again and that he is such a victim of a racist society that forced him to torture and kill dogs for fun.

Fighting these knuckleheads is exhausting. I'm going to bed.

[superduperfarleft]

2. PETA wanted, and still wants, Vick's dogs to be euthanized.

PETA is strongly supportive of Breed Specific Legislation and other anti-pit bull measures all because Ingrid got looked at funny once by a pit bull.

You might want to find a better source...

[AndrewP]

89. +1

[CakeGrrl]

3. "Move us forward" indeed.

There is nothing to be gained by railing and ranting over a person who has already been convicted of crimes and served time for them.

[Hello_Kitty]

4. I have no respect for PETA due to the way they portray women

So this means nothing to me.

[Aleric]

42. Well, what do you expect?

From Pornographers Exploiting Titillating Animals?

[jobycom]

5. Leave it to PETA to be the voice of reason and tolerance on this issue.

:wow: :rofl:

My head exploded. Just... BAM!

[chimpymustgo]

9. LOL.

[dkf]

10. Totally lol.

Yeah who would have guessed?

[Safetykitten]

34. They are lining up nicely. Quite the turn-around. Soon more will sing the MV praises.

[jobycom]

41. This wins the Leslie Neilson "That's just what they'd expect" Post of the Day.

:wtf:

[CakeGrrl]

77. "They"?

It's a conspiracy!!!

:tinfoilhat:

[apocalypsehow]

90. You caught us.

:yoiks:

[joshcryer]

55. Haha, Jesus. Holy shit.

[hlthe2b]

6. Yet no one seems to value the opinion of the ACTUAL SHELTER

that stepped into clean up this horror. They certainly do not agree with PETA nor the national chapter of HUSA--both which stand to profit from donations. Ironically, the local shelter that did the heroic work to save and place as many animals as possible into loving homes and their opinion seems to be ignored. Why is that? Why does THEIR opinion of all possible, not seem to matter?

Apparently he never reached out to them, offered them money nor his time, nor inquired as to the fate of the animals that they took on. The HUSA is one of several national organization that promotes and fund raises for animal issues. At the local level some HUSA chapters have shelters, but that is not the role of national HUSA. Giving them money and doing some speaking appearances, is a relatively easy thing for someone of his means to do. Yet, it does not necessarily afford him the opportunity to see the animals and the impacts that fighting has on them--to really understand why it is that so many were outraged and why it is that he should be out promoting children to treat animals with compassion and kindness. :shrug:


Francis Battista, co-founder of Best Friends Animal Society, who took in and cared for the dogs Vick tortured, had this to say about Vick's "redemption" in November 2010:
http://blogs.bestfriends.org/index.php/2010/11/18/micha ... /

Michael Vick & the Value Proposition
November 18, 2010 - By Francis Battista

LA Times sports reporter Bill Plaschke wrote a compelling piece for yesterday’s paper on the resurgence of Michael Vick as an NFL quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. Plaschke interviewed the caregiver of Mel, a pit bull and former resident of Best Friends Animal Society—and one of Vick’s former canine victims. Powerful stuff. Plaschke’s article boils down to is this question:

“Essentially, an ex-convict is dominating America’s most popular sport while victims of his previous crime continue to live with the brutality of that crime, and has that ever happened before?

Do you cheer the player and boo the man? Can you cheer the comeback while loathing the actions that necessitated the comeback? And how can you do any of this while not knowing if Vick has truly discovered morality or simply rediscovered the pocket?”

From what we at Best Friends know of the way Michael Vick has related to the animals he abused, the answer is clearly that he has “simply rediscovered the pocket.” Best Friends took 22 of Vick’s 48 seized dogs and the only contact we’ve received from Vick or his representatives was by way of some overtures from his agent, one of his attorneys and a PR firm specializing in reputation rehabilitation. They were interested in some public glad handing that would put Vick in a favorable light with the NFL, which at the time was still considering whether or not to reinstate him. We declined.

Best Friends has never heard from Michael Vick or any of his representatives inquiring after the health or well being of any of the 22 dogs that we received from his fighting ring.

According to the law, Michael Vick has paid his debt to society. Many would argue though that being free to get on with his life is one thing. Being welcomed into the highly privileged ranks of the NFL is quite another and warrants a much higher threshold of qualification. Plaschke again:

“…a large percentage of the population will still think Michael Vick is a sociopath. Many people will never get over Vick’s own admissions of unthinkable cruelty to his pit bulls — the strangling, the drowning, the electrocutions, the removal of all the teeth of female dogs who would fight back during mating.”

Obviously not a sufficiently large enough percentage of the population feels that way to deter the NFL from allowing someone on the field who many do believe is a sociopath ex-convict as long as he can fill the seats. They wouldn’t do it if they didn’t know they could get away with it.

Despite the fact that America is routinely described as a nation of animal lovers, concern for the lives and well being of those animals doesn’t yet compete with the desire to be entertained. That’s a problem.

It’s a problem because the same imbalance of public opinion that tolerates Michael Vick as a celebrated athlete also tolerates puppy mills, pet stores and shelter killings…each a cause of suffering many magnitudes the scale of Michael Vicks crimes and in some cases the same order of depravity.

Ending the societal abuse of homeless pets that results in the death of 4 – 5 million animals annually in our shelter system will require more than the heroic efforts of rescuers, it will require recruiting a larger percentage of this nation of animal lovers to a value proposition that places the lives and well being of our animal companions above personal entertainment, the allure of designer breeds and pets as fashion statements. The Michael Vick story is, for me at least, a marker along the way pointing us to the tasks ahead on the road to No More Homeless Pets.

Francis Battista

Co-Founder, Best Friends Animal Society

AND from the co-founder:
From Michael Mountain, the other co-founder of Best Friends Animal Society:
http://www.zoenature.org/2010/12/michael-vick%E2%80%99s ...

[cottonseed]

7. Francis says he's rebuffed Vick's overtures, then whine's about not hearing from the guy. WTF?

I read this, "the only contact we’ve received from Vick or his representatives was by way of some overtures from his agent, one of his attorneys and a PR firm specializing in reputation rehabilitation."...

Then this:

"Best Friends has never heard from Michael Vick or any of his representatives inquiring after the health or well being of any of the 22 dogs that we received from his fighting ring."


Francis... pick up the damn phone and start demanding some action.

[hlthe2b]

11. Vick's people wanted a photo op. I don't blame them for that...

They have no obligation to be a pawn or to be exploited for the benefit of Vick's future PR campaign.

[cottonseed]

13. I could have sworn that Francis wanted to hear from Vick. The phone rang (3 times).

And Francis did nothing. Either you want to work with the guy or you want to sit in a corner and pout. Sounds like Vick's people are handling their end.

[Cali_Democrat]

92. LOL....can you be any more contradictory ?

If Vick tries to communicate with them, he just wants a photo op. If he doesn't try to communicate with them, he's not remorseful as he hasn't reached out to them.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

[dkf]

14. Vick paid a million dollars to take care of the dogs.

Perhaps most remarkably, if it wasn’t for the high-profile nature of the Vick case and the quarterback’s ability to pay for their postrescue care (Vick reportedly spent a court-mandated $1 million on it), each of the dogs would’ve been destroyed. Dogs which came from fighting busts had previously been considered so far gone that trying to retrain them would take a disproportionate amount of already limited resources.

“Ninety percent of the time, they would’ve been put down,” Gorant said. “Even PETA and the Humane Society recommended it. there are already good dogs out there who need care. Why invest time, effort and money to save these few when so many dogs are out there that need help?”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-vickdogs092110

[hlthe2b]

15. Towards dogs...

not towards the dogs he mutilated... A common fund.

[dkf]

18. No...a million dollars to rehabilitate just those dogs.

Read the article...

[superduperfarleft]

20. That's not in the article.

And that money was not quite a million dollars, and it was paid in "restitution" for his crimes under threat of additional prison time.

Your first day on the Vick case, I take it?

[dkf]

32. Umm it talks about Vick's ability to pay for their postrescue care...

"Perhaps most remarkably, if it wasn’t for the high-profile nature of the Vick case and the quarterback’s ability to pay for their postrescue care (Vick reportedly spent a court-mandated $1 million on it), each of the dogs would’ve been destroyed. "

[superduperfarleft]

35. Nevermind, we're talking past each other.

I meant the article in your OP, not the one that started this subthread.

And again, it was court-mandated restitution, not something he did out of the goodness of his heart.

[Union Scribe]

26. Court mandated. It didn't fall from his angel wings.

[dkf]

31. Yeah but he paid it, which is probably why he didn't offer to

Give more money for their upkeep which seems to be the undercurrent of the accusation.

[superduperfarleft]

36. So he paid the bare minimum as mandated by a court of law?

In an effort to avoid further prison time? Wow, swell guy. He truly gives Ghandi a run for his money.

[Fruittree]

58. I don't know this from my own reading but I have a friend

who's a bit Eagles fan and she says that M. Vick also has to pay 25 % of his salary to creditors which amount will at some point jump to 40%. He lives on an allowance of sorts. He's still paying for mistakes and lest it seem otherwise - I'm a big dog lover, I have 3 rescues but I think he has a positive role to play and if we don't allow people a chance at rehabilitation in society then what's the alternative?

[Critters2]

84. All of that is court ordered. What has he actually done out of any sense of compassion

or remorse?

[Fruittree]

86. My understanding is that he speaks to youth groups in areas

where dog fighting is still an issue...Whether he does this from a sense of remorse or not - who can say? I don't know him so I can't know what he feels but at what point has he paid his due to society? Or is nothing short of him living an impoverished and broken life enough? Nothing is going to bring back the dogs injured or killed but if he can somehow work to stop future cruelty to dogs like the ones he hurt, whether it's mandated or not, it's still a good thing.

[martymar64]

97. I'm sure he'll tell them "make sure you don't get caught like I did"

Dog Killer has no real remorse. Any remorse displayed is just for show.

As soon as the court order is lifted, he'll be off and running, torturing and killing dogs again. Mark my words.

Never trust a sociopath like Dog Killer.

[Fruittree]

110. As I said, I don't know him but I guess

I can't share your cynical view...I have seen videos of what he does and it seems to include dog training and information on appropriate care of dogs not a message on how not to get caught. As I've asked in my previous post - what is the alternative? Do you suggest keeping people in jail permanently?

[martymar64]

95. He was forced to pay up, he didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart.

Anybody other than this overpaid celebrity athlete would be rotting in prison still for such heinous crimes as these.

He is now and forever the Dog Killer. He'll just have to live with that name. But I'm sure it doesn't matter to Dog Killer. Sociopaths never really care about their victims or even what other people think. He'll live in a tight little bubble like OJ did until he gets caught for something else.

[tridim]

8. If this doesn't end the "debate" nothing will. nt

[hlthe2b]

12. Why would it?

PETA has no moral standing here. None at all.

[CakeGrrl]

19. But why is there a "debate" at all?

The core issue is over and done with. Prison time was served, the dogs that were not killed were taken under care, money was paid in reparations to help care for them rather than see them destroyed, Vick is making PSAs.

People who aren't moving on wish Vick could be ostracized or worse and are railing that he isn't.

I guess all that can be done for some is to wish misfortune on him and slam anyone who doesn't do the same.

[Name removed]

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[CakeGrrl]

28. There is NOTHING wrong with the President's statement

Some people just can't stand the person whom the Eagles re-hired.

Try as some might, they can't hang Vick's offenses on the President. Obama didn't hire Vick, nor did he laud Vick's actions. Anyone who claims that the President patted Vick on the back is reaching out of a need to associate the President with Vick's crimes.

And unfortunately it's not for lack of trying, since some here have convinced themselves that this proves that the President is a supporter of dogfighting.

[Aleric]

43. Now it proves the president knows how to kiss ass.

Would he have made the call if the employer wasn't a major democratic donor?
Would he have made the call if Vick were a bankrupt nobody instead of a millionaire sports star?
Would he have made the call if Vick were a scientist, teacher or truckdriver?
Would he have made the call if Vick's crimes were against humans instead of animals?

No. No. No. and No.

This is merely more proof that we were duped by Obama. He's just another politician who knows how to manipulate people.

[CakeGrrl]

48. WTF? Whom did Obama manipulate by making a phone call?

Decide what you want to slam the President over: Kissing ass and manipulating aren't the same thing.

As for "kissing ass", Presidents make public, high-profile declarations all the time. It comes with the job. Maybe you missed a few.

By the by, the re-hiring of Vick wasn't Topic #1. Read up and learn why else he contacted the Eagles.

[Aleric]

49. Yes, it *was* topic #1

"The president wanted to talk about two things, but the first was Michael. said,"

--http://bleacherreport.com/articles/554586-philadelphia-eagles-barack-obama-calls-owner-praises-second-chance-for-vick

[CakeGrrl]

50. OK, I'll grant that. But I do not agree with the assertion of mere "ass-kissing"

There is a concept called "leading by example".

If you want to get a message out, it's a good idea to have a lot of people hear it.

The NFL playoffs are high-profile.

If some potential employers hear the Eagles organization being recognized for taking a chance on someone who was convicted, it might open up other employers' minds to giving similar consideration to the average person who has to mark the box on their application because they got caught shoplifting or smoking some marijuana but want to move forward from that.

The fact that Vick has been a successful contributor to his team helps sell the argument even more.

Call it whatever you want if you are compelled to criticize the President, but capitalizing on whatever captures the public's attention to send a message is smart politics. To me it's asinine to think that Presidents do not engage in politicking.

[Aleric]

52. Lieur is a major democratic donor

Would Obama have called if he wasn't a major donor? That's the ass-kissing part.

And as for the leading by exammple? That's pure fantasy. Vick is a valuable asset. He will make the team money. If he weren't, the Eagles would have simply forgotten him.

When Obama starts calling employers for hiring bankrupt nobodies who are ex-offenders, I'll take your argument more seriously.

[CakeGrrl]

53. And who will hear about the random employer?

That's not where you start if you want to spread a message. At least not where I'd start if I wanted to reach a lot of people.

[Aleric]

61. Whoever his press machine wants to hear....

He is, after all, POTUS. He has an amazing press machine at his disposal. I have been asking four basic questions about this event;

Would he do it if his new employer wasn't a major democratic donor?

I sincerely doubt it.


Would he have done it if Vick were a bankrupt nobody instead of a millionaire sports star?

No. He wouldn't. He could find someone like that in a similar situation if he wanted to. He has all the resources of the US law enforcement at his command. He could easily track down a similar case in each state and make a similar call which would be much more meaningful.

Would he have done it if Vick we a scientist or teacher or truck driver?

No. Because we don't give a shit about scientists or teachers or truck drivers. If they commit a crime, they're done.


Would he have done it if Vick's crimes involved humans instead of dogs?

No, because that would be too politically risky. The victims were, after all, "only dumb animals". (quotes for sarcasm, not citation.)


Now, imagine instead a high school teacher who spends 18 months in jail for DWI and negligent homicide. He is released on parole which will last for many many years. He has undergone treatment for alcoholism although experts have concluded he isn't an alcoholic, he just made that one fatal error in judgement on new years eve.

First, who will hire him as school teacher? No one. He would be seen as a bad example. Ironically, his situation makes him an excellent candidate for a teacher because he has been there and he can counsel students from a position of experience. That, however, is a politically risky position that no school board would take.

But let's pretend they did. It would cause a media frenzy, at least on a small scale. Would the president call and weigh in?

Well, go back to my questions - the school board is not a donor. Some individuals might be donors but its unlikely they are major national donors. The individual is a school teacher so he's unimportant. Schoolteachers are a dime-a-dozen, right?

And, finally, his crime involves a human. He killed a person. By accident. It would be political suicide to make that call. Vick killed many dogs in horrific ways and tortured many others but that's OK, they're just dogs. If he had killed a person, on the other hand, he wouldn't be playing right now.

[muffin1]

64. Thank you. n/t

[pengillian101]

104. +1

[Aleric]

62. If Obama wanted to make a serious point about justice and injustice

He would make a very visibly inquiry into the cases of Leonard Peltier, Mumia Abu jamal and Lynn Stewart.

But that would require a lot of political courage.

[martymar64]

101. He didn't shoplift or smoke marijuana, he tortured and killed dogs for fun and profit.

He tortured and killed those dogs because he enjoyed doing it.

Go ahead, defend killing and torturing animals for fun and profit. I dare you.

[martymar64]

100. It's obvious: Obama likes Michael Vick, so you must like Michael Vick too.

He should have stayed out of it. Obama brought all this heat on himself by allowing his name to be associated with Dog Killer, even indirectly. If he was going to praise somebody as deserving a second chance, he sure picked a horrible example. Maybe he should just pardon OJ, pretty much the same thing.

[Mojorabbit]

27. I t is not over because he wants another dog. nt

[CakeGrrl]

29. If it wasn't prohibited during his trial and/or sentencing, then what?

Are people going to stake themselves out on a Vick pet watch?

[Mojorabbit]

46. Of course not but I do hope someone is watching

I just think that he should not be able to own another dog and THAT was what started the big brouhaha before this one. I believe that any normal person knows that it is not right to pull a dogs teeth so it can be defenseless while being used as a bait dog among other things. I am happy he is all "rehabilitated" now but there is something wrong with a person who would commit the acts he committed and a short amt of time in jail isn't going to fix it. A good shrink may be able to start to get to the bottom of it though. This is just my opinion.

[CakeGrrl]

51. Judging from the activity on this forum, a LOT of people will be watching

and I'm pretty sure Vick is well aware of how public his situation is. He has pressure to succeed not just for himself but for his family.

I wonder if people who hope he's injured in his games are considering that aspect of it?

[hlthe2b]

54. He was prohibited from EVER having a dog by the judge...

That is what he has suggested he would go to court to try to get overruled.

[Critters2]

85. It is court-prohibited, at this point. Should be forever. nt

[martymar64]

99. So violence against innocent creatures is ok as long as you say you're sorry?

Some people will do anything to defend violent sociopaths like Dog Killer.

[nmbluesky]

16. I"m not PETA fan..

I'm very strong animals right.. but I never like PETA.. I'm not Vick fan
but I'm a Obama Fan.. Still :)

[LWolf]

17. And, of course, the voice that should outweigh the rest:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x578689

[superduperfarleft]

21. Obama's? n/t

[LWolf]

23. Nope. nt

[LWolf]

22. .

.

[frylock]

25. peta?!

:rofl:

[Beacool]

30. Et tu, PETA?

Disgraceful.......

;(

[Aleric]

45. Hey, they don't rake in $30M a year by being consistent.

[Safetykitten]

33. And this PETA response?

PETA and millions of decent football fans around the world are disappointed that the Philadelphia Eagles have chosen to sign a man who hanged dogs from trees, electrocuted them with jumper cables, held them underwater until they drowned in his swimming pool, and even threw his own family dogs into the fighting pit to be torn to shreds while he laughed. What sort of message does this send to young fans who care about animals and don't want to see them be harmed? PETA certainly hopes that Vick has learned his lesson and feels truly remorseful for his crimes--but since he's given no public indication that that's the case, only time will tell. At this point, all Eagles fans can do is cross their fingers and hope that they won't ever have to explain to their sons and daughters what a "rape rack" is and why their favorite player was using one, as Falcons fans once had to.

[superduperfarleft]

37. It's called PETA taking what's most likely the profitable position.

Can't let HSUS have all the fun, can we?

[Safetykitten]

38. Or some very lucrative publicity whore spots for a camera loving person.

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[Safetykitten]

40. Any port in a storm. While eating a burger, being splashed with blood,

they would nod in agreement that indeed, MV is the best. Those PETA fellas, they know their shit.

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[superduperfarleft]

47. Yep.

All the nastiness directed towards PETA members and/or sympathizers over the years suddenly disappears into the ether, simply because they feel that Obama's honor needs to be defended or something.

[joshcryer]

56. Any DUer who was "anti-PETA" because of the fly-swatting thing was being silly. PETA wasn't serious.

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[CakeGrrl]

78. Don't act like that's a one-sided phenom

Some DUers praised Rachel Maddow as the greatest evah when she was slamming on the President, but when she turns around and itemizes his accomplishments? Crickets.

And I agree with the poster above; I doubt people would become anti-PETA over their silly dustup over a fly. Personally I found it funny. But to seriously go anti-PETA? That would make as much sense as, say, someone deciding not to vote for the President because of what he said to the Eagles.

[superduperfarleft]

79. I'm talking specifically about PETA. I could care less about the high school gossipy garbage that

goes on here, that I've clearly walked in the middle of.

And as someone who has posted in numerous animal rights and/or PETA-related threads over the years (you know, these are issues that I actually care about instead of just bothering to give a damn when it somehow involves Obama), I can assure you that if you believe that it was ever easy to defend PETA here, you are, to put it bluntly, completely and utterly fucking delusional.

[CakeGrrl]

82. You alluded to "the other positions they hold", so I spoke to that.

And good for you for giving a big damn.

But this is a thread about PETA specifically making a statement about the President's comment to the Eagles, so don't dump on people for talking about PETA and how it involves the President, when this thread is ALL about that.

[superduperfarleft]

87. And when those of us who are actually familiar with the Vick issue explain why PETA is not the most

credible source, people get all GOTCHA! by saying, "Oh now PETA's being thrown under the bus by the Obama haters blah blah blah!"

My objection isn't to discussing PETA, it's to scores of DUers heaping loads of verbal abuse on pro-PETA posters over the years and now suddenly wanting to say, "Hey, ain't PETA great?" because they said something nice about Obama.

[Catherina]

57. Shame on PETA. n/t

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[JoePhilly]

60. No death penality!!! No death penality!!! (but let's kill Vick!!)

[muffin1]

63. I don't think Vick should have been executed.

I don't think Cheney should be executed, either. But if either one of them suffered a broken neck tomorrow, I wouldn't shed a tear.

I'll save my tears and sympathy for the victims of their crimes.

[Myrina]

65. I don't wanna kill him, I just want him to suffer like his dogs did.

If he's such a 'manly macho man', let's put him in a fight ring with a hungry Pit and see what happens.

[JoePhilly]

66. Just as funny.

... but in a sad way.

[prolesunited]

75. So you object to torturing dogs

but are in favor of torturing a human being as some twisted form of justice.

What would you like to do to rapists and child molesters?

[superduperfarleft]

80. Please don't do this. You're not helping at all. n/t

[Myrina]

83. I'm just expressing my OPINION, as this is a 'discussion board' ...

or at least it used to be .... I didn't realize I was trying 'help' anyone's cause. :eyes:

[superduperfarleft]

88. Well, hopefully people will recognize your OPINION as the marginal one it is. n/t

[martymar64]

102. I hope your team and Dog Killer lose big.

Any Eagles fans with kids I see, I'll yell out, "Hey Kid! Have your Dad tell you what a Rape Rack is!"

Fuck the Eagles.

[SidDithers]

67. Hahahah...

and under the bus goes PETA too. :rofl:

Sid

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[SidDithers]

70. Too funny...

please, don't stop. :rofl:

Sid

[superduperfarleft]

71. What exactly do you think you've contributed to this discussion?

Seriously?

[SidDithers]

72. Pretty much nothing...

though people who find all the melodrama and gnashing of teeth about Vick might agree with my view that the twists and turns of the burn-Vick-at-a-stake crowd are hilarious.

:rofl:

Sid

[superduperfarleft]

73. People who have seriously followed this case from the beginning,

long before it became some stupid anti- or pro-Obama issue, don't find it all that amusing. But then again, most people on DU seem to have the attention span of a gnat and can't be bothered to actually read up on things before shooting their mouths off.

Hurr durr UNREC!!!11 Grow up.

[apocalypsehow]

91. Nailed it. +1. n/t.

[treestar]

74. Color me surprised on that one

[superduperfarleft]

76. Why are you surprised? n/t

[earth mom]

81. Now I"ve lost what little respect I had left for PETA. This is DISGUSTING!

:puke:

[martymar64]

93. I wonder how much Dog Killer paid them?

[superduperfarleft]

96. I doubt he paid them anything, I just think they saw an opportunity

to get in on all that cash that HSUS is rolling in. Ingrid needs her nails did or something.

[Capn Sunshine]

98. Oh that does it

where's my picture of dead homeless guys?

[boppers]

103. Interesting that the story doesn't mention the pedophilia comparison.

http://www.gamezenith.com/?p=1018

“Just as convicted pedophiles aren’t allowed free access to children, anyone who is responsible for hanging, electrocuting, or shooting dogs and who causes them to suffer in other unimaginable ways should never again be allowed access to dogs. All things considered, it is a very small price to pay, especially compared to the suffering endured by the dogs who were abused and killed in the Bad Newz Kennels.”

[burning rain]

108. Good for PETA.

Vick has paid his price to society, and I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to make a buck in his field as long as he follows the rules. He's certainly good at playing football. On the other hand, I don't like this talk of "redemption." Vick's shown himself to be a sadist and a nasty piece of work. You don't hire someone for a job because he's nice; you hire hire him because he can do the job. Vick can play football. That's the beginning and the end of it.