BREAKING: House Liberal Democrats protect the nation's economic security by refusing...

[ClassWarrior]

...to consider an irresponsible tax bailout for billionaires.

NGU.

[Phx_Dem]

1. And giving a lump of coal to the unemployed and poor for Christmas.

How humane of them.

[ProudDad]

2. I just cancelled your unrec...

:rofl:

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[ClassWarrior]

5. Yeah, they'll be grateful to the Prez for that pony when the whole economy goes down in flames.

:eyes:

How short sighted of you.

NGU.

[Dawgs]

7. +1. It looks like it doesn't take much for some to buy into trickle-down economics.

:cry:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. What Happens To The Forty Percent Of Unemployed Americans

What hapens to the forty percent of unemployed Americans who rely on unemployment insurance for ninety percent of their income?

[great white snark]

17. Screw 'em, "liberals" have a point to make. nt

[vaberella]

22. ! n/t

[ClassWarrior]

24. Do you really want to reveal that you have something against liberals?

NGU.

[Bluerthanblue]

18. guess they are collateral damage- they don't really matter anyway

to some people.

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. There Are Two Kinds Of Unemployed

For some two earner families unemployment of one earner is an inconvenience especially if the other earner is a high earner.

For other families, especially, one earner familes, unemployment is an unmitigated disaster, no different than a natural disaster or a flood...

[Bluerthanblue]

25. I don't know any people in the first category-

my circle tends to be pretty low income. I DO know people in the second. And I know they aren't alone.
Those who wouldn't be hurt by the end of UI benefits don't make those who will any less vulnerable.

I cannot ignore the reality that people are going to be seriously hurt if their benefits don't continue.
The republicans don't care. We should-

:hi:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Of Course Most Folks Including My Girlfriend Belong To The Second Category

I do know a contractor who was unemployed for nine months. He bemoaned the fact that his unemployment only covered the upkeep of his QX 56. Him and his wife kept the nanny. His wife was a partner in a law firm. I said I would do the nanny gig for 40 K which was what the nanny was being paid.

On the other hand I know this unemployed woman who was virtually on the virge of homelesnnes. She convinced my friend to take her in though he really didn't want to. After several months he couldn;t take the living arrangement anymore and borrowed $1,500.00 from his mom so she could move across the country to live with her brother,

[ClassWarrior]

37. So the 99ers are collateral damage of Obama's deal?

If you want to talk smack, let's talk smack. But if you want a meaningful discussion, lose the snark.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

27. Nothing, till Jan. 1. So why not use this opportunity to fight for a better deal? Otherwise...

...what happens to the 99ers, who you so conveniently ignore? Or what happens to the forty percent after 13 months? Shouldn't we use this opportunity to do better by them?

NGU.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. I Empathize With The 99ers.

It's not in my nature to ignore anybody in distress. That's why I'm a liberal.

But cutting off folks after twenty six weeks because some folks have been cut off after ninety nine weeks doesn't make a lot of sense. If there was a building on fire would we let everybody burn because everybody couldn't be saved?

As for 1/1. Do you think we can get a better deal from the Republicans. If it was up to them they would wreck the economy, turn the poor into compost and use the carnage to beat Obama over the head with and defeat him in 012.

[niceypoo]

32. More supply side guarentees they stay unemployed

Two more years of supply side = two more years without jobs. It also guarantees that wages will drop over the next two years.

[paulk]

41. I really think that enough pressure could be put on the GOP

to extend unemployment benefits, without this tax give away to the wealthy.



It's happened before - in fact it's happened every single time in a recession.

[JoePhilly]

8. Yes, they'd much rather be destitute tomorrow then at some future point.

Makes total sense.

[Pale Blue Dot]

10. +1. Exactly right. nt

[no limit]

11. You're right. lets do even better. Give everyone a 0% tax rate!

problem solved, you're welcome america and marry christmas.

[Cosmocat]

12. Dude, the REPUBLICANS ...

are the ones playing politics with they unemployment ...

This is a BAD thing economically, functionally and politically ...

[Celtic Raven]

49. We are unemployed & poor

with no UI for over 2 years.
We are facing being homeless in the next few months.
We stand with the Democrats in the Congress opposing Obama's tax cut deal.
We are calling & writing our Reps & Senators to stand with the Dems who are fighting.



K&R the OP

[otohara]

3. Kudo's to House Dems

you guys rock, unlike the crew in the senate.

[avaistheone1]

6. K&G Good job Dems

:thumbsup:

[no limit]

9. I have a feeling they will cave. if they don't good for them!

[Spoonman]

13. Thus solidifying

a republican majority in the House AND Senate AND Presidency in 2012!

The independent middle class voters (the largest voting block) will be the hardest hit, and they will vote against everything and everyone "Democrat" just like they did last month!

The liberal side of our party would rather win this fight and loose the war!

[ClassWarrior]

14. How so?

NGU.

[Spoonman]

21. I spelled it out

in simple terms.

YOU CANNOT WIN a presidential election unless you carry the middle class independent vote PERIOD.

If you piss them off (raise their taxes regardless of the reason) they will vote against you!

"And I'm the one who will not raise taxes. My opponent now says he'll raise them as a last resort, or a third resort. But when a politician talks like that, you know that's one resort he'll be checking into. My opponent, my opponent won't rule out raising taxes. But I will. And the Congress will push me to raise taxes and I'll say no. And they'll push, and I'll say no, and they'll push again, and I'll say, to them, ‘Read my lips: no new taxes.’"

He was a one term President, and he lost the election to Clinton (thank heavens) in NO SMALL PART by PISSING OFF the middle class independent voters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

[ClassWarrior]

23. And just how does tanking the entire economy for what most consider a bad deal win them over?

:shrug:

NGU.

[Spoonman]

35. Allowing the current tax rates for all income levels

to remain as is will not "tank" the enconomy!

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.......

[ClassWarrior]

50. Yeah, the economy would NEVER tank under these circumstances... Ummm...

:sarcasm:

NGU.

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[JTFrog]

43. Did you mean to post that on some other site? n/t

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

34. +1

Those cheerleading this fiasco are out for blood and nothing more. They are no more interested in governing than Republicans.

[mstinamotorcity]

16. Good for them

If they believe something is worth fighting for then they should take a united stand. Everybody wanted a fight. Well maybe the Congress is ready. They have been asleep long enough.

[jenmito]

26. So? The Senate won't agree. Just more wasting of time. n/t

[ClassWarrior]

29. It's never a waste of time to fight for what's right. Besides, we have three weeks...

...before any of this kicks in. So what's wrong with using this opportunity to try to do better by the American people?

:shrug:

NGU.

[jenmito]

33. It IS a waste of time. It WON'T PASS! It already failed-twice-and they're wasting

precious time to get other things done. Do you not care about ending DADT? How 'bout getting START done? The DREAM act?

[Spoonman]

36. DADT? .... START? ..... DREAM act? .....

THOSE are a COMPLETE and TOTAL fucking waste of time!

Typical PURE political fodder for the hard core left and right.
They have ZERO impact on the economy!

Right now the economy of this country is the most critical issue facing us.

They should back burner that crap until later.

[jenmito]

38. " They should back burner that crap until later." Wow. MANY here would disagree with you...

including me.

[StreetKnowledge]

42. The problem there is that the GOP is going to filibuster them anyways.

They want the tax cuts for the rich made a done deal first, because they don't want to touch that political football.

I say play hardball, force the GOP to filibuster this (and actually filibuster this, let's see them stay awake for a week) and once we got our way, THEN deal with the Dream Act, DADT and the START treaty.

[jenmito]

48. My whole point is we should pass the tax cut compromise quickly so

they WON'T filibuster those other things! It's just a waste of time to try to get better deals on the tax cuts when they'll fail in the Senate anyway.

[quakerboy]

44. Hasnt the DADT repeal also failed at least twice?

What makes you think it can pass anymore than any other bill that has already been filibustered and failed.

[jenmito]

47. What makes me think it can pass is that there are at least 3 Repubs. who

said they will vote for it but only after the tax bill has been taken care of.

[Fruittree]

30. And what exactly is their alternative?

[burrowowl]

39. Go Progressives GO!

And try to get the message through to the MSM!

[KansasVoter]

40. Positive recs shows me the GDP is getting smarter!

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[JTFrog]

46. ^^ this

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