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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:15 PM Original message |
Does the Congress forget that they already TRIED to pass tax cuts excluding the rich and FAILED? |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. Much of DU seems to have forgotten too |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Too True nt |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. Because we are plagued with magical thinking... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. The Senate failed the House didn't and the House hasn't passed this BS yet. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Right-the Senate FAILED! And they'll fail AGAIN! What's your point? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. My point is let them expire. You think the Senate would still fail |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Really? Let them expire and THEN what? The Repubs. will have much more power |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Then you let public pressure make the GOP more flexible. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. They don't CARE about public pressure. They stuck to "tax cuts for the rich" DESPITE |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. You are incorrect. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. No I'm not. Infinity. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
76. I guess we should do whatever they want then. eom |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. On THIS bill, Obama explained why he "negotiated with the hostage taker" in THIS case, |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. And 13 months later they'll hold Americans hostage for SS cuts |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
59. they don't give a fuck about "public pressure" |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. This Is Incredible, Now All Of A Sudden DU'ers Are Depending On The Media Properly Informing The |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. They would not have more power. They would be faced with a decreasing |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. That's not true at all as proven by the votes already taken in the Senate. n/t |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. As other's have stated bringing things up for multiple votes is pretty standard. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. All that will do is waste the limited time they have. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I don't think they will do anything with that time anyway. Hope to be proved |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. The next step is to allow the taxes cuts to expire and shame the GOP with it. |
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young but wise (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. That's not a good idea because Obama promise not raise taxes on the middle class. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. And Obama won't. The law calling for their expiration was passed by the GOP and signed by Bush. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
81. Unfortunately, we have a lot of voters that don't make judgements based on the fair facts. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I'm Sure The Media Will Report What Happened Honestly, Because That's What They Always Do |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. If you make it a good story the media will report it. Even Joe Scar. blasted the GOP ... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Riiiiiiggggghhhhhhttt!!! Yeah! Sure! That Happens All The Time With Dems!!! |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. It happens. You do realize that, media be damned, the public is with the old Obama. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Yes!! Trust The Corporate Media To Tell The TRUTH About Dems!! Great Strategy!! |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. I just showed you it working. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. No You Didn't, Just Because Dems Have Sometimes Succeeded DESPITE IT |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. And therefore it is not all powerful and we need not fear it just because you do. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. I Didn't Say It Was All Powerful Though Did I? But You're Naive If You Think We Can Trust People |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
39. out of touch DUer thinking a dumb cable show at 6am is a sign of fair media |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I never said it's a fair media. You realize the media has failed to sell the GOP priorities so far |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. they've failed to sell GOP policies? |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Yes, the GOP wants tax cuts for the rich, the public wants them only for the middle class. |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. The media has to be spinning this as we speak. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Don't you get it? The GOP HAS no shame! If they let them all expire, |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. They certainly do have shame. They all want to get re-elected. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. And they're going to only get a BETTER deal for their rich friends if Dems. don't |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. So you say. The public is on the presidents side on this (I mean last-week Obama) |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. You just proved my point. The GOP KNOWS the public is not on their side. They don't care! |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. You are sadly misinformed - Boehner: "I'll Drop Tax Cut for Rich If I Have To" |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Boehner LIED. He proved that in his vote last Saturday. Why do you believe and defend him? n/t |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. I believe him in this case because he had nothing to gain by the admission |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. He had a LOT to gain-the respect of the middle class. Then he lied and voted against it. n/t |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Not credible. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Obama came out AFTER the bill failed. Boehner lied, but good for you for trusting him. n/t |
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CitizenLeft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. but NOT their Republican base - who will primary them if they fold. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Winning a primary does not put you in office. You still have to face the people you screwed. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
72. You realize that some of those tax cuts included us...right? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
7. This Time They Will REALLY Try, Kick Their Heels Together, Spread The Fairy Dust Around, THEN |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Exactly... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
11. Thanks. They are acting like they haven't had a bite at this apple yet |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Exactly! They keep saying "Obama caved" after it was the Dems. in Congress who |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Because he did cave. The blue dogs did not cave. They voted their misguided principles. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. He's not a magician. He didn't get the votes needed in the Senate and never would've. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. My crystal ball works differently than yours. Sometimes you need to take more than one swing ... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. My crystal ball works. Yours doesn't. n/t |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
12. Often, a bill is brought up over and over again - that's how unemployment benefits... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
48. Great-let them spend the entire lame duck session retaking votes and failing... |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. so accept a backroom deal that isn't even on paper yet is the alternative |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. THEIR way FAILED. What don't you and they understand about that? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. As several congresspeople have said, you don't walk off the field... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. What don't you understand about them having no time to fight this (which they |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. What don't you understand about the president cutting a horrific deal with the devil?? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. You're wrong. He cut a deal to help those he promised he'd help. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
18. They should what they did when the tax cuts were first proposed. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
49. Don't be trying to bring actual facts into this little snit. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Sorry... |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
51. totally different vote with a different package -- |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. right, if they try a "new package", there's no way the GOP would fillibuster it... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
65. Permanent Tax Cuts for the RICH... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Wrong. They have many Conservadem advocates in the SENATE. |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
68. Apparently a symbolic victory (or I guess, loss) is more important |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Exactly. Thank you! n/t |
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Robbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Obama |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. You hit EVERY point. I recommend this post. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
79. The DADT vote is going forward you know |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. THANKS! I read they were still talking to her, but I didn't know she agreed! |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
80. Yeah, but that was clear back on Saturday!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
84. Congressional Democrats stand up to Obama better than they stand up to Republicans. |
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