I'm going to say it: I'm sick of hearing people support this administration's

[crim son]

anti-gay stance. I'm sick of hearing people defend this administration's phony attempts to fulfill its campaign promises, and I am heartily sick of hearing people be chastised for trying to remain truly progressive in an environment where even so-called liberals stand against them.

Ready to be tombstoned now. Whoever posted that bullshit about alienating our "allies" in the Obama administration has dealt the death blow to my interest in continuing to be a DUer.

[Kdillard]

1. I feel sorry for you.

[ThomCat]

44. Why do you feel sorry for her?

She's a wonderful person with good ethics and strong character and she stands up for what she believes in. She's also right.

What is to feel sorry for?

[Upton]

2. Why don't you go bash some Republicans?

[joe black]

68. My guess...

Because they are not in power, the democrats are and are responsible for the homophobic environment.

[disillusioned73]

3. I agree with you completely....

it takes courage to speak out when an injustice is being perpetrated by your own "team", thanks.

I'm fairly new around DU and I've read on other threads about this "tombstoning" - can someone explain the process??

[ZombieHorde]

17. Tombstoning means you are banned from posting on DU.

People who are banned have a tombstone picture in their personal profile.

Since tombstone is also a brand of frozen pizza, some posters make jokes about pizzas for disruptive posters.

[AtomicKitten]

4. Your anger is clouding your judgment.

"Ready to be tombstoned now."

Bah-bye.

[Smarmie Doofus]

5. Hang in there. If you leave....

... the site ( and the Party) will just get more neo-RW.

Not your intention, surely.

[VMI Dem]

6. Whoa there. Opposing gay marriage and thinking homosexuality is a lifestyle choice is anti-gay now?

:wtf:

[Arugula Latte]

10. Uh ... Yes.

Of course.

Opposing gay marriage means you think gays are second class citizens not deserving of full and equal rights with other citizens. It's as simple as that.

[Rhythm]

15. The "Department of the Obvious" just tapped you as their new chairperson.

:hi:

[scheming daemons]

21. The "Administration" does NOT think homosexuality is a lifestyle choice

ONE MEMBER of the administration said that... and then profusely apologized for it shortly thereafter.


If a person makes a mistake... then owns up to the mistake and apologizes for it... you consider it to still be indicative of the thinking of their boss?

God bless you for never uttering anything you later regretted and apologized for. Perfection must be such a burden for you.

[Name removed]

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[cherokeeprogressive]

43. LOL I think this post went over some people's heads like a big ol' 747... n/t

[ThomCat]

45. Yes. Absolutely!

Where the hell have you been?

[xxqqqzme]

50. What would you call it?

[QC]

65. Pragmatic? n/t

[Skittles]

73. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

HELL fucking YES

[Hosnon]

76. Haha, yes...by definition. nt.

[EC]

7. They're not anti-gay... n/t

[firedupdem]

8. anti gay stance?

Unbelievable.

[ThomCat]

46. By being right? No, she is not embarrassing herself.

Anyone attacking her is.

[Skittles]

74. YES

it IS unbelievable, coming from a so-called Democratic administration

[SidDithers]

9. Why wait for the tombstone?...

Why not just quit?

Sid

[Dawgs]

11. Good. Bye!!

You're embarrassing yourself as it is.

[girl gone mad]

12. Maybe things will get better after the election.

Seems like there are about 10 people left here, all lock-step in their march toward electoral annihilation and social irrelevance.

The rest have moved on.

[CakeGrrl]

13. Oh please, since when has anyone actively SUPPORTED any position

that would be considered anti-gay?

And it's highly ironic that some people's approach to being "truly progressive" consists of considering withholding their votes to teach this administration some sort of lesson, thereby doing their bit to usher the Republicans, those staunch defenders of equal rights (oh yeah...NOT) back to power.

[Greyhound]

22. Since 2008.

"I do not support gay marriage. Marriage has religious and social connotations, and I consider marriage to be between a man and a woman." - Barack Obama

[CakeGrrl]

41. And how does that translate into anti-gay policy?

And, does your assertion/opinion imply that anyone who voted for him is by association anti-gay?

[Greyhound]

42. It is neither an opinion nor an assertion, it is a quotation.

It belongs to the speaker, President Obama, and is definitively anti-gay.

A really substandard attempt at spin on your part, This isn't a Yahoo!® message board, please try to keep up.

[SidDithers]

66. Was he the President when he made that quote?...nt

Sid

[ruggerson]

79. He reaffirmed his opposition to marriage equality right after Iowa legalized it

He said he supported civil unions, not marriage equality.

And has said so numerous times since becoming President.

[ThomCat]

47. It's a direct quote of Obama.

And it translates into an absolute absence of support and absence of effort for LGBT Marriage Equality. That is definitely an anti-gay policy.

Defending DADT in court with homophobic language, more homophobic, in fact, than the original congressional language that went into passing the law, when that defense in not legally necessary is an anti-gay policy. Especially while lying to claim that he somehow supports repealing DADT while he's enforcing it and supporting it in the courts.

[Prism]

62. The President is supporting resurrecting DADT by appealing.

So there's that little anti-gay tidbit. Right now, the discharges are halted. If the administration has a stay granted, more lives are destroyed. Sec. Gates has said the discharges would continue even if/when Congress repeals the law.

This is anti-gay. Realistically, practically . . . pragmatically, some might say.

Destroying gay people's lives out of political advantage or calculation is anti-gay.

[maxsolomon]

14. i am sick of a lot of things, too.

wars, militarism, drug policies, farm subsidies, wall street control.

patience is hard.

[vaberella]

16. I don't see a single person defending this adminstration on gay rights.

Not that the admin is anti-gay. If you don't like the law and regs involved then you can't like this government and you should leave. B/c what they do is in line with the law. Since DOMA and DADT are part of the constitution and the constitution is part the client of the DOJ in affect it must defend it. I have nothing else to say behind it...because everything else suggests the admin is working around the legal restraints as much as possible.

[mkultra]

18. i think we can all agree that this administration's work on GBLT has been less than spectacular

but we all disagree with what things could be done or shoudl be done. I'm not sure ive heard anyone say its out right anti-gay though.

[Beacool]

19. Why would you be tombstoned for what you wrote?

It's pretty mild in my opinion.

:shrug:

[emulatorloo]

20. Self-Delete

[impik]

23. You should have heard him talking about gays right now. But you probably didn't bother

[bigwillq]

33. Did Obama change his mind?

He supports full equality for all people? :shrug:

He said that? :shrug:

[Name removed]

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[Fire1]

25. Bye! n/t

[Imagevision]

26. Hey! if the shoe fits...

[derby378]

27. You're not alone, which is all the more reason for you to stay

The other side wants you to sit down and shut the fuck up. I don't think that's how you roll, however.

Stay. We need you.

[Arkana]

28. So get out and don't let the door hit you--I'm sure Skinner doesn't want ass prints

on his door.

[azmouse]

29. ...

whatever

[Phx_Dem]

30. Good for you. There is no anti-gay stance, but knock yourself out anyway.

:cry:

[rbilancia]

31. On what planet do you spend most of your time?

[bigwillq]

32. K and R

:thumbsup:

[Divine Discontent]

35. +1

[Divine Discontent]

34. you are right on... I didn't appreciate that "attacking our allies" post either.

+1 to yours. Check out mine. I've had plenty of recs apparently, but just as many unrecs from those who feel the anti-gay vibe from this admin. that promised to be "fierce". That's okay, to each their own opinion on each of our posts, as they have the right to write the one that upset you so much - but NO opinions are acceptable about EQUALITY!!! If you're not hardcore for equality, I'm not sure why someone would come here. Saying "Lifestyle Choice" is deeply deeply deeply offensive to Gay people, I HOPE this is obvious to those that perhaps didn't understand before?


Take a deep breath... we'll get through this, k? Most of us are on your side. hang in there...

[Odin2005]

36. If the president were a DUer he would be TSed for his biggoted stance.

[Capn Sunshine]

38. OK, Bye

I'm not a big fan of "please wait until later, we can't take any more flak" as an approach to this issue, but quitting DU is just so meaningless.


Come back after you get arrested for chaining yorself to the White House fence.

[Jennicut]

39. I would say that a message board is not a place to look for everyone to agree with you.

If you can't handle that, you can't handle DU. If you let one poster effect you so much that you don't want to be on DU then how do you deal with the real world? We are ultra protected here in that it is a very liberal environment to post and express opinions and discuss issues. As someone who grew up with conservative parents, I heard opinions every day that I did not agree with at all. You know what? I chose not to let it stop me from living my own life. Just some advice. And I don't necessarily think Obama is all that great on gay issues but I also don't think one poster should lead someone to give up on DU.

[Honeycombe8]

40. Don't you have ANY other issue? Not that this one isn't important...

but it's not the ONLY thing going on in the country.

That said...this administration does not have an anti-gay stance. Period. You wanna see anti-gay? Elect a Republican.

[ThomCat]

48. If you don't think this administration has been anti-gay

you haven't really been paying attention.

They're less anti-gay than the republicans, but that does NOT make them pro-gay by any stretch of the imagination. :eyes:

He's openly against LGBT marriage equality.

He is having his DoJ defend homophobic laws that they don't have a legal need to defend, using homophobic language that compares us to pedophiles.

He refused to use executive orders to help us end the purge of LGBT people from the military even though military law experts said he could, on three different precedents as Commander in Chief.

The stuff he has done falls into categories like "taking credit for stuff other people did", "taking credit for stuff that was already done", and "got credit for saying something."

None of the stuff he has done gives us a civil right. None! And all of it was stuff that could be easily walked back by the next president with the stroke a pen, because it wasn't even high enough profile stuff to build pressure TOWARDS civil rights.

He gave us throw-away stuff a political advisory no-doubt put in front of him to try to placate the LGBT community without ever really giving us anything, and it is infuriating as hell that we're supposed to fall for it. It is infuriating that straight people here are Demanding that we fall for it and accept it in place of real civil rights. x(

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[ThomCat]

55. You're right. A lot of people LOVE the status Quo. They just want

everyone to be a bit nicer about it.

That means that the good and the bad stuff in the status quo is okay to them, and everyone should all just accept it and be nice about it.

Fuck that! We need that change we were promised! :grr:

[Beer Snob-50]

60. the change that was promised is needed..

and i still cling to the hope that obama will follow through on them. however do you feel as many do that the disenchantment that many are feeling shold lead to not voting democratic in two weeks? to vote otherwise (or not voting at all) will lead to a republican lead congress and any chance at change is flushed down the proverbial toilet.

[Smarmie Doofus]

69. You're on a roll today, Mr. TC.

And right.... as usual.

[ThomCat]

71. Thank you.

:)

[ThomCat]

49. +1 I'm still here with you!

:applause:

:hug:

[dionysus]

51. .

[Tarheel_Dem]

52. Don't know about you, but I've got outrage overload. I need banky. (nt)

[dionysus]

53. why them's fi---- oh, did you say banky?

:hi:

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. Thanks. I needed that.

:hug:

[dionysus]

81. now you've gone and gotten me in trouble with Bea! PUT UP YER DUKES!!11!!

[Beacool]

64. Hey, what's going on????

Are you two-timing me???????

:grr:

[dionysus]

78. uh oh.....

here, take, take em all!
:hi:

[Beacool]

87. That's better!!!

You're forgiven................for now, but I'm watching.

:hug:




:hi:

[DCBob]

57. This type of attitude does not help the cause..

in fact it hurts it.

[Catherina]

58. You are not alone, Rec'd. n/t

[lunatica]

59. A lot of us are sick of it too, but don't give up on people

For a lot of people this is not a simple case of civil rights. They want to cloud it with religion and norms and all the crap they're fed. Sometimes people fear god more than they love their fellow human beings.

And for those who are homophobic, well don't let them win. Refuse to be bitter and just keep up the fight until you win.

[HughMoran]

61. OK

See ya.

[saltpoint]

63. If you polled registered members at this site my guess

is you'd find very, very close to 100 percent support for fair, true, and equal rights of citizenship for all.

If you don't want to read or post here, that's your call.

I'd volunteer to drive you to the bus station but I'm watching a couple dozen mice with human brains masturbating on a satanic altar.

[NYC Liberal]

67. Thanks for the info. nt

[harun]

70. I'm holding out to see what changes they make after the recent poll.

Changes to DU that is.

[Teaser]

72. why get so worked up?

this is the internets. everyone is stupid.

[zulchzulu]

75. You are simply uninformed

Granted, more needs to be done, but you really should get your facts correct regarding what has been done the last couple years. Here's a great list...

1. Reversed an inexcusable US position by signing the UN Declaration on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
2. Extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees in 2009 and, further, in 2010
3. Endorsed the Baldwin-Lieberman bill, The Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009, to provide FULL partnership benefits to federal employees
4. Signed the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act
5. Lifted the HIV Entry Ban effective January 2010
6. Released the first Presidential PRIDE proclamations since 2000
7. Hosted the first LGBT Pride Month Celebration in White House history
8. Awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Harvey Milk and Billie Jean King, joining past recipients such as Rosa Parks
9. Appointed the first ever transgender DNC member
10. Issued diplomatic passports, and provided other benefits, to the partners of same-sex foreign service employees
11. Committed to ensuring that HUD’s core housing programs are open to all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity
12. Conceived a National Resource Center for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Elders -- the nation's first ever -- funded by a three-year HHS grant to SAGE
13. Testified in favor of ENDA, the first time any official of any administration has testified in the Senate on ENDA
14. Signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which expanded existing United States federal hate crime law to include crimes motivated by a victim’s actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability -- the first positive federal LGBT legislation in the nation's history
15. Hired and appointed a record number of qualified LGBT Americans (like these), including more than 20 Senate-confirmed appointments
16. Sworn in Ambassador David Huebner
17. Changed the culture of government everywhere from – among others – HUD and HHS to the Export-Import Bank, the State Department, and the Department of Education
18. Appointed Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, instead of conservatives who would have tilted the Court even further to the right and virtually doomed our rights for a generation. To wit (quoting McCain): "I've said a thousand times on this campaign trail, I've said as often as I can, that I want to find clones of Alito and Roberts. I worked as hard as anybody to get them confirmed. I look you in the eye and tell you I've said a thousand times that I wanted Alito and Roberts. I have told anybody who will listen. I flat-out tell you I will have people as close to Roberts and Alito ."
19. Named open transgender appointees (the first President ever to do so)
20. Banned job discrimination based on gender identity throughout the Federal government (the nation's largest employer)
21. Emphasized LGBT inclusion in everything from the President’s historic NAACP address (“The pain of discrimination is still felt in America. By African American women paid less for doing the same work as colleagues of a different color and a different gender. By Latinos made to feel unwelcome in their own country. By Muslim Americans viewed with suspicion simply because they kneel down to pray to their God. By our gay brothers and sisters, still taunted, still attacked, still denied their rights.”) . . . to the first paragraph of his Family Day proclamation (“Whether children are raised by two parents, a single parent, grandparents, a same-sex couple, or a guardian, families encourage us to do our best and enable us to accomplish great things”) and his Mothers Day proclamation ("Nurturing families come in many forms, and children may be raised by two parents, a single mother, two mothers, a step-mom, a grandmother, or a guardian. Mother's Day gives us an opportunity to celebrate these extraordinary caretakers") . . . to creating the chance for an adorable 10-year-old at the White House Easter Egg roll to tell ABC World News how cool it is to have two mommies . . . to including the chair of the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce along with the Secretary of the Treasury and the President of Goldman Sachs in the small audience for the President’s economic address at the New York Stock Exchange . . . to welcoming four gay couples to its first State Dinner
22. Recommitted, in a televised address, to passing ENDA . . . repealing Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell . . . repealing the so-called Defense of Marriage Act
23. Spoken out against discrimination at the National Prayer Breakfast ("We may disagree about gay marriage, but surely we can agree that it is unconscionable to target gays and lesbians for who they are -- whether it's here in the United States or, as Hillary mentioned, more extremely in odious laws that are being proposed most recently in Uganda.")
24. Dispatched the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to call on the Senate to repeal Don't Ask / Don't Tell, in the meantime dialing back on discharges
25. Launched a website to gather public comment on first-ever federal LGBT housing discrimination study
26. Appointed long-time equality champion Chai Feldblum one of the four Commissioners of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
27. Eliminated the discriminatory Census Bureau policy that kept our relationships from being counted, encouraging couples who consider themselves married to file that way, even if their state of residence does not yet permit legal marriage
28. Produced U.S. Census Bureau PSAs featuring gay, lesbian, and transgender spokespersons.
29. Instructed HHS to require any hospital receiving Medicare or Medicaid funds (virtually all hospitals) to allow LGBT visitation rights.
30. Appointed Retired Colonel Margarethe Cammermeyer, an early public champion of open service in the military, to the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services
31. Required all grant applicants seeking HUD funding to comply with state and local anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBT individuals.
32. Adopted transgender recommendations on the issuance of gender-appropriate passports that will ease barriers to safe travel and that will provide government-issued ID that avoids involuntary "outing" in situations requiring ID, like hiring, where a gender-appropriate driver's license or birth certificate is not available
33. Extended domestic violence protections to LGBT victims
34. Publicly invited shunned MIssissippi high school prom student to the White House
35. Extended the Family and Medical Leave Act to cover employees taking unpaid leave to care for the children of same-sex partners
36. Issued guidance specifically to assist LGBT tenants denied housing on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity
37. Issued a National HIV/AIDS Strategy praised as "long-overdue" by the Task Force, Lambda and others
38. Successfully fought for UN accreditation of IGLHRC (the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission) -- against Republican attempts to block it
39. Convened the first-ever anti-bullying summit to craft a national strategy to reduce bullying in schools.
40. Awarded $13.3 million to the LA Gay & Lesbian Center to create a model program for LGBTQ youth in the foster care system.

http://www.equalitygiving.org/Accomplishments-by-the-Administration-and-Congress-on-LGBT-Equality

Consider these accomplishments and obviously still be vigilant to get more LGBT laws passed.

[great white snark]

77. +1

Bookmarked for future reference-thank you zulchzulu.

[thelordofhell]

80. +1,000

Facts trump the drama queen post. Thanks zulchzulu.

:grouphug:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

82. If they're so all-fired pro-gay, then what is keeping them from

saying that states have the right to allow gay marriage if they so choose?

Why not let the judge's ruling stand and let DADT fall quietly by the wayside?

[boppers]

84. The first one is DOMA.

States already have that right.

The problem is whether other states will *accept* that marriage, or if people have to be in certain states to get married.

As far as DADT goes, without Congress, or appeals all the way up, are you concerned about the possibility that another judge can just flip the switch and bring it back?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

88. So why is the Obama administration CONTESTING the judge's decision on DADT?

They're playing, "Oh, if we stand up for gay people, then the Republicans won't like us."

That's why.

[mitchtv]

83. all things that won't survive a GOP regime

nothing solid (except maybe the Easter Egg Roll)

[mitchtv]

85. I'll back you up

as will others. Just wait and see how it gets if the dems get their asses handed to them at the polls,

[Swede]

86. Piping hot pizza on the way!

[laughingliberal]

89. Or not. Probably just wishful thinking on your part.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=192412