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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:17 PM Original message |
Medicare Buy-in. Good for those 55 and over, but what about everyone else? |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. Finally some fair criticism... |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I've been pretty ticked at the whole process recently, so I'm glad you at least don't think I'm nuts |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. support for this is not necessarily going to fall along age lines - there are plenty of us |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. No one knows if the buy-in is good or not for 55+. |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. This is true. I'm assuming it's a fair buy-in, since that age group stereotypically votes often |
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levander (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. I'm tired of details not being released yet... |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. The Drum Roll On This HCR Has Got To Be the LONGEST ONE EVER!!! |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. IIRC that's only part of it. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I think all the deals in the end should help those from $75 thousand on down. |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I don't know where you're getting those numbers |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Just a guess from memory really - point was mostly that Medicare is not only thing in plan. NT |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. On review the numbers do agree - it's 3X poverty. Poverty is 21.9 => 65.7K NT |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Can we tell I'm a humanities major? ;) |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Sure thing. Young singles unlikely to qualify BUT |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. On the policy end of things it will (hopefully) be an improvement |
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levander (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Young people are going to lose... it's only natual. |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I'm 'profiting' from the current system? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
7. It's good politically because it is far easier to get a toe into the political door |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. There's a couple problems with this. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
40. You are right |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
53. I think there might just be two choices, then |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I'm not defending my generation's lack of patience |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. The only way your generation will be ignored by the democratic party |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
8. Y'all will be 55 sooner than you think |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
12. Well currently we haves superficial information as of yet. |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. This is true, but I still think it bears some discussion. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
13. Was the old alternative better for younger people? |
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cadmium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. That's the truth. Devil always in details nt |
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cadmium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
15. good points. Here is my perspective why this could be better than PO |
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levander (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
16. Obamacare is such a complex solution |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Obamacare? |
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levander (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Whatever the latest version of it is officially named... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. This label actually feels very apt today |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. It's a wingnut term |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Im well aware |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. Well That Makes At Least Three Of Us Out Here On The Same Cloud... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Obamacare? How is this allowed?! nt |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #33 |
59. That is what Jacob Hacker called it in 2007 ... |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
25. And why is it a buy-in ? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Because shifting more people on Medicare would increase payroll taxes |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. What's wrong with raising the payroll tax? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Quite a bit if not everyone gets Medicare |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. So lets give it †o Everyone!! |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Sure, with, eh, what Democratic Congress? |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. The world does not revolve around *THIS* congress |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Make your congress work for you... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. They work for money and bribes |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Make them know you... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Seriously, my situation sort of dictates I take an observer roll |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Thanks, education is critical... |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Might increase payroll taxes, but |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Of course it would, but this isn't Medicare for All...Its Medicare for a few more |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Yes, yes, yes, Medicare for All |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. I recommend this post, and your outfit! |
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LovinLife (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
34. THis would be change I could believe in if they just allowed everyone who WANTED to buy into it. |
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Garam_Masala (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
50. I am on Medicare and the biggest problem I have is.... |
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KrR (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. So lets get rid of Medicare? Is that what you are saying? n/t |
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Garam_Masala (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Did you even read my post? |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
52. Medicare for everyone! |
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