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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:33 AM
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the tea party = the moral majority
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:35 AM
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1. not really
maybe some are social conservatives. but many are more libertarian.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:10 AM
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5. Its the angry part of the far right, which includes the former ...
Moral majority, as well as the Christian Coalition, and every other social conservative group.

And most of the "libertarians" in the Tea Party are only "libertarians" regarding Democratic social programs, but have no problem with government interfering with a woman's reproductive rights.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:36 AM
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2. Niether moral, nor a majority.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:11 PM
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9. given. but neither are these clown patriots.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:40 AM
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3. They both full of Archie Bunkers
He was the classic "low information voter" who could be tricked into voting against his best interests. Vehemently against getting more facts, too.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:00 PM
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14. Exactly, exactly correct.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:10 PM
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16. Archie was a low information voter who could be easily tricked but
(to my knowledge, anyway) never showed a mean, nasty hateful streak towards minorities and other people not just like him. There's an anger and a nastiness behind the teabaggers that really defies description - there's real hate there, people. Don't dismiss them as old codgers like Archie - they're not.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:56 AM
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4. Unqualified Wannabes seeking attention ...big Fail...Armey set this up with GOP monies
and now he is in Tuva sucking on a Corona
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:27 AM
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6. OK..then were are the
programs to help the needy. The republican governors are cutting them out in favor of tax cuts for the rich. If they are so Christian let them explain this. Because remember when the Bible said that Jesus manufactured the fish and bread so he could feed the needy. Gee what's good enough for Jesus ought to be good enough for the tea bags and republicans shouldn't it.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:41 PM
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11. a question that was asked of jerry falwell, pat robertson, et al
to which they had no answer. 40 years later, they still have no answer.
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MattyGroves Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:43 AM
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7. Given that some of their major supporters and candidates were at the Values Conference last weekend
I'd say that they're getting closer to being the new version of it.

A number of the speakers tried to make the point that this country's financial and national security was dependent on a strong moral foundation.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:47 AM
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8. Rebranded. Yes.
Although "moral majority" was a double-misnomer from inception. When I read that phrase I had a visual image of blowing off dust. It's been a long time since it's been in common use.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:37 PM
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10. ok, here is more what i mean when i say this-
i mean that they are mostly smoke and mirrors, ginned up by cynical wealthy criminals. some of their electoral gains might even be, horrors, not legitimate. but they are covered by the smoke of this 'enthusiasm' thing.
just like i have long posited that the installation of alan keyes in the '04 illinois primary was a piece of the anti-gay marriage smoke and mirrors, which duped voters and probably covered up election thefts large and small. the cover story. the excuse. because they couldn't get the referendum on the ballot in illinois. so they had to have a candidate that would offer the same excuse for people enthusiastically voting against their own interests.

but the whole christian right thing, which always was a lie on its face, has sort of run it's course. they had 8 years of total control, and did nothing about abortion, so i think that well has sort of run dry. so now the tea party takes over. stirred up with the same fear machine. equally irrational. equally destructive to those that get on the bus because the real agenda has nothing to do with them. they are just so much cynically manipulated window dressing.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:23 PM
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12. They are the same people, for sure
At the tea party events I've seen you do see many of the same homeschool fundie moms with their kids in homemade clothes you see at antiabortion events.

But the Moral Majority is not the wellspring of this culture: instead, it is related to it via a common ancestor: the traditional southerner, mainly of scots-irish origin. The common thread of "limited government" (a political theory term that does not appear in the constitution and has been hijacked by the TPM, BTW) comes directly down to them from the earliest days of the Republic:

Antifederalists: Mainly Southerners, pro-slavery, against the Constitution, against the strong federal government it would establish, supporters of the Articles of Confederation, which at that point had already left the nation a shambles.

Most of these same people opposed the policies of Alex Hamilton, under Geo Washington, in the creation of the First Bank of the United States, a conflict won decisively by the Federalists, establishing a private bank to act as the central bank of the US (and if Congress can do that, it can effectively do anything under the commerce and necessary and proper clauses).

These folks become "Republicans," i.e. the party of Jefferson. Part and parcel of their ideology was a belief that political democracy was undergird by a social democracy, in the sense that political equality was partly a result of the self-sufficient nature of the people, who mainly existed as agriculturalists on free or cheap land. These folks, it was thought, wouldn't need much in the way of government, though they wouldn't object if the government did something wacky like buying huge parcels of land, forcibly removing the people who really owned it, and giving it to white people to farm with the slaves they "owned."

Fast forward to the Nullification Crisis and John C. Calhoun. Same people, same ideology. Calhoun claimed that "state sovereignty" meant states had retained the right to nullify federal law (sound familiar?) He claimed that the states created the US, and therefore retained rights such as nullification: more radical voices wanted secession. The hyperbole of the nullifiers and secessionists is their main link to the TPM today.

Secessionists in the south: same people.

The period after reconstruction is often given short shrift, and I'll do so again, here: basically the theme that government is the friend of the negro, and that the negro is bad, and so government is bad, and will work with the aid of corrupt persons to aid the lazy and shiftless negro is established. This has been a major cultural and political theme of these people for decades: in this, the Moral Majority and TPM are the same.

Opponents of the New Deal: same people.

WWII isolationists: same people, with the caveat that their small government argument also has a more consistent, small military, less interventionist approach. This bit of their programme is quickly dropped as the nation mobilizes against the Axis, never to return. From this point on, these people are consistently militaristic.

Proponents of Vietnam: Same people.

George Wallace/Lester Maddox and the rest: Anti civil rights people were the same people. Folks forget it, but "small government" was a big part of their agenda.

That's the political stuff. Left out what Aimee Semple McPherson and her progeny did to the religion of these people. Rest assured, though, they are all the same people, and they think we will not notice.







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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 06:45 PM
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18. I would just note that the anti federalist movement resulted in the Bill of Rights,
ten Articles that I hold quite dear to my heart. I'm not even sure where this fits into the topic currently under discussion, but if we're putting things in historical context, there is that.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 07:37 PM
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19. Of course
And whenever the tea party people advocate a small central government and states' rights, they are advocating things much more enshrined in the Articles of Confederation than the Constitution.

By and large, though, they have been on the wrong--and usually losing--side of history.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:48 PM
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13. SSDD
Same shit, different decade :thumbsup:
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:08 PM
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15. The teabaggers are filling the void left by the collapse of
the 'Moral Majority'. They are composed of the Xian Fundies as well as the pseudo-libertarians and an inordinate amount of over 60 white people who are just pissed because there's a N----r in the White House and Sarah (Mother of God) Palin isn't. A real witches' brew.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:15 PM
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17. They are the 23-percenters from the end of the Bush era.
Just changed their name.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:42 AM
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21. the walking wounded.
the emotionally damaged, looking for a daddy that will beat them like dear old dad did.
so easy to play.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 07:54 PM
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20. No, but teabaggers are certainly an Oral minority. nt
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