I want to believe in Obama, but I'm afraid he's going to make fun of me for belieiving in him

[Enrique]

he's talking big now about the Bush tax cuts, saying all the right things, rich vs. poor, etc.

I like it, it's exactly what I want my democratic president to sound like. (well, technically, what I really want is for him to have eliminated the bush tax cuts immediately like Pelosi wanted to do, but I'm flexible).

I want to get behind him, and I have been, on the Bush tax cuts. But looking forward, I see the very real possibility that he will cut some deal and sign some bill extending the tax cuts "temporarily".

And then, the possibility that in a year from now he's going to be at some fundraiser making fun of me for ever expecting him to end those tax cuts at all.

"They're mad at me because I didn't bring about world peace (laughter), and because I didn't end the Bush tax cuts (laughter)...."

[zipplewrath]

1. I'm done

It happened over the weekend. I was mad for a couple of hours, but at this point I'm done. I'm not going to get emotionally invested in anything this administration does. It is what it is and nothing I do is going to influence them. I unsubscribed from OFA. There is no point in my paying close attention to the process, I just have to hang around and find out what happened after the fact. I can still write my congressman, I can still write my senator. I can still donate to candidates around the country that support my positions. But I'm done caring what Obama says. He's gonna do what he's gonna do then make fun of me afterwards.

[ClarkUSA]

13. You've been "done" with "this administration" since Day One, as I recall.

:eyes:

[zipplewrath]

25. No, but probably should have

I kept making excuses. I was "giving him time". I blamed all sorts of folks, from Rahm, to conservadems and Blue Dogs. Somewhere around the end of 2009 I began to get disillusioned. Even most of this year I kept thinking that it was predominately just an issue with HCR and a bit of the Afghanistan action. But that fund raiser speech really did me in. I spent a few mad hours, then unsubscribed. Just decided I was done. Can't even really get spun up about November. Whatever will be will be. I suspect it is long past time to move folks one way or another. If they can't see the tea baggers for the nutjobs they are, I don't really see anyone changing that by November. And really, regardless, I suspect that democratic losses will result in a Senate barely able to function at all, and a House that will be positioning itself for the presidential race. And if the GOP get control of either house of Congress, nothing is going to get done at all.

We kept getting told that it was asking for too much too quickly. Some tried to warn that the full 4 years aren't guaranteed. We are now probably going to see that this is all too true.

[ClarkUSA]

28. Yes, and a check of the archives will back me up completely. nt

[Sheepshank]

64. Now that you've drawn attention to your done-ness

I wonder why you still post at DU?

I'm thinking you're not quite done in trying to damage Obama or the Dem momentum...you're still here posting your little black cloud comments. So admit it, your not really done are you!

[sharp_stick]

22. Just this weekend huh?

It's a shame when an ardent backer of the Administration comes to a sudden change as is happening right here....


You've been "done" from day one.

[zipplewrath]

26. No, I've been critical

I have criticised actions by the administration, but I still actually was operating under some thought that I mattered in some sort of opinion poll sense. But I'm done with that. They are openly hostile to people like me and have no intention of doing anything towards my goals. They see me as the problem to be ignored or marginalized.

[Sheepshank]

63. Now that you've brought attention to your 'done-ness"

I wonder why you still post at DU?

I'm thinking you're not quite done in trying to damage Obama...you're still here posting your little black cloud comments. So admit it, your not really done are you!

[yurbud]

2. that's been the case with the Democrats for a while now, their motto should be:

''Fight for us, then we'll decide if we really want to fight for you.''

[emilyg]

32. +1

[vaberella]

3. You're posts sicken me...Ugh.

[Enrique]

7. that's way too harsh

Obama's a politician. It's simply not right to be so harsh to me in order to defend your politician.

[vaberella]

9. Please, this is the second time you're posting this same topic in order to get your desired response

At this point you're spamming the board. As I said in your other post on this topic...The man is speaking out of frustration and I know how I am. I'll make light of shit that pisses me off. I make light of racism and I have had my share. Why? Because it's frustrating. Rather than get support for the things he's done and understanding that hey he's up against conservadems, blue dog dems, and repubs alike who all have the same agenda---he's getting shit from us. When we should be targeting these clowns, in elections, so he can get the really progressive stuff done. Don't get me wrong---he handles the blame better than I. However, if he needs the outlet and still pushes things to get done then I'm all for it and I'll give him the credit even if he tries because I know all three of the clowns aforementioned are waiting to destroy the man. You think he's mocking you or progressives...while in actuality he's mocking the situation and having a second thread on this topic is ludicrous.

Same regurgitated tripe: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=447658&mesg_id=447658

[Lilyeye]

48. Exactly. This poster already created a thread about the same freakin topic.

There was no need to create a new thread.

[jaxx]

This is just heartbreaking.

:cry:

[lillypaddle]

6. I agree

Please pass the tissue. :cry:

[still_one]

4. I assume you mean eliminate the "bush tax cuts", for those making over 250K, not those who make

less than 250K. If so, that is what he is doing, however, what are you going to do about those Democrats in Congress who want it for those greater than 250K? Do you let it lapse so the middle class will end up with higher taxes, which would be a disaster, not only politically, but in the middle of a depression, or do you compromise, even though it would allow tax breaks for those making over 250K?

No matter what the MSM says the truth is the Democrats NEVER had a majority in Congress, especially the Senate, because of those blue dogs who call themselves Democrats, but line up with the repukes and the corporations

[Enrique]

5. let it lapse, if necessary

if they all lapse, they go back to Clinton levels. Plenty of people say that's the best thing economically. The reason for the extension up to $250,000 is political, not economic. Obama promised it in the campaign and it's good politically to extend tax cuts for so many people.

But I agree, that will be the rationale, if Obama ends up extending all the tax cuts. "We HAD to. We had NO CHOICE." etc. Thanks for the preview.

[still_one]

10. If that happened the MSM will say the Democrats are increasing taxes on the people during a time

of depression.

Of course the answer to that would be for the Democrats to IMMEDIATELY offer a new bill that would give tax relief to those making less than 250K

I doubt that they even think that far ahead

[polmaven]

41. It's economic for ME!

I have been out of work for 3 months and cannot afford higher taxes.

[Dr.Phool]

46. If you don't have any income, you don't have any income taxes.

:crazy: :silly: :crazy: :silly: :crazy: :silly: :crazy: :silly: :silly: :silly:

[polmaven]

51. Unemployment benefits are taxable....

but lets not ask the uber-rich to pay anything. :crazy::silly: :crazy::silly: :crazy::silly: :crazy::silly:

[still_one]

59. Also, which may not be your case, severance is also taxable /nt

[swilton]

8. Sorry, I want a President who is more than Soundbites

Actions speak louder than words.

[ProSense]

11. If he tells a joke about you

I'll be the first to laugh at the thought that he's reading DU.

Continue wrestling with your dilemma of wanting to believe the President.

Will you post an update when you come to a decision?

[geek tragedy]

12. .

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:
:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:
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:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

[ClarkUSA]

14. ROFL! Yeah, right. Sure. "I want to believe in Obama..." Oh, the drama!!

:rofl:

Don't despair. I'm sure Hillary "Lobbyists Are People, Too" Clinton will run in 2016. Then you can "believe" again. :eyes:

[vaberella]

15. Tell me about it.

This is the second time he's posted the same shite on the site. S/He wants to raise up some anger levels and was angry it didn't work the first time. The second thread---what a spammer.

[Enrique]

17. Hillary would be the same

the only way Hillary would be better is that liberals would be suspicious of her from the start and they wouldn't give her a pass. If Hillary were president and had the exact same war strategy as Obama, she would be protested constantly by antiwar protesters.

[ClarkUSA]

18. You're "afraid" that Hillary "Lobbyists Are People, Too" Clinton would "make fun of "you too?

Very interesting.

[Enrique]

19. no, because no one would have believed her from the start

if she fought against the public option the way Obama did, everyone would see it. If she cut the same deal Obama did with the insurance companies, liberals wouldn't be in denial about it and pretend that Obama was in favor of the public option.

[ClarkUSA]

23. Really? Are you saying that everyone knows Hillary Clinton is a liar? Hmm?

:shrug:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

57. Don't you understand that Hillary Clinton and her husband Bill Clinton are DLC?

They are farther to the right than Obama. Indeed many of the economic problems we face today is directly the result of Bill Clinton's deregulatory policies, all of which his wife supports.

Don't get it twisted, all of them, including Obama are Corporate Democrats!! The question is which one is the better "devil" than the other.

Sorry. I'm taking my changes on the current president because he is cleaning of 16+ years of Republican-DLCer/triangulatory puke on our economic system.

[ampad]

62. Ok

I think you guys were being way too nice when you said he was done with this Admin on day one. He was done the minute he realized Hillary was going to lose the primaries. Give me a freaking break. I thought this post was a joke I honestly did. Until I took a better look at the OP user name. Remember him from back in the primaries. It is always the same ol shit. As someone said earlier, spamming the board for attention and desired responses. In a couple of years the APA will come up with some type of diagnosis summary for this type of behavior.

[WI_DEM]

16. You've been crying about this all weekend and now today--get over it and do something positive.

[Enrique]

20. I forgot to add a detail

the fundraiser was held at the home of a guy named Rich Richman. No joke.

[vaberella]

21. And this means what. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

24. Now you're mocking people's names? Classy.

:eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

27. If I was making politics all about me and my feelings, I'd be scared too!

[Name removed]

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[LiberalAndProud]

30. It seems to me that he is fighting this one hard.

He's using his bully pulpit and everything. If he goes on to lose this fight, Obama will be left holding the bag, but it won't be his fault. Unfair tax advantages for the wealthy are unpopular only for the wealthy. It appears to me that chips are being called in and Democratic reps are folding left and right.

[phleshdef]

31. Are your feelings really THIS fragile?

[treestar]

49. +10000

This is the biggest problem we have in this country? POTUS jokes?

[scheming daemons]

33. "I criticized the man for two years, now he called me on it and it is making me upset. Waah!"

Grow up, Enrique.

[lamp_shade]

34. I found this picture of you >

Oh come on dollface... give us a smile.

[AtomicKitten]

35. weaksauce

[CakeGrrl]

36. Geez, play victim much?

To borrow a quote from a Kevin Smith flick, a lot of people seem to be "cryin' like a bitch with a skinned knee" over misperceptions about what the President is saying.

"I'm afraid?" Some fighting spirit. If the Teabaggers prevail, it'll be because they're made of stronger - albeit extremely fucked up and wrongheaded - stuff.

:eyes:

[rucky]

37. After saying today that tax cuts for the upper 2% would be irresponsible

Obama would have to worry more about people making fun of him, if he goes through with what you fear will happen.

I don't think there'll be any concession for the 2-percenters.

[JNelson6563]

38. Here's a crutch for ya.

Cause that's so fucking lame it obviously needs help just to limp along.

Julie

[lunatica]

39. Vote for what you think is right and stop being afraid

It's silly to be afraid of being poked at for a little fun. Jesus! Vote your beliefs!

[Teaser]

40. I'll make fun of you either way

for this simpering, sad-clown, failpost

[Phx_Dem]

42. You deserve to be made fun of after that post. n/t

[jenmito]

43. BULL! n/t

[Kind of Blue]

44. There's no one that can make you feel better

about your futures fears that you blame him for now and you're choosing to live now.

[Sheepshank]

45. Unrec for whining too often about same old same old.

don't feel like supporting anything that smacks of "pretending left outrage" as this point.

[JoePhilly]

47. Stay home and sulk.

[Drunken Irishman]

50. I want to believe you're sincere, but I'm afraid you're just taking unneeded shots at the President.

[RBInMaine]

52. He was exposing the non-reality of political purity, and he is exactly right to do so.

He has given progressives tons of PROGRESS. Too many want purity. You don't get that in the real world. I'm with Maddow. The most progress easily since LBJ if not FDR.

[JTFrog]

53. mainly because half the people i was with believed it until i explained the situation to them

[Tarheel_Dem]

54. You really seem to be on a mission. I hope you soon get all that you deserve.

:-)

[Fire1]

55. I know what you mean!! Ditto! n/t

[ampad]

65. Same here

I hope I am here to see the day.

[Generic Brad]

56. He's President, not some fictional stand up comic

I don't think you really need to be concerned that he will personally mock you before his term is over.

[boppers]

58. Belief is for religion, not politics.

Obama is not a god.

[DemocraticPilgrim]

60. We have to have broad shoulders get a good result midterms and then hold them to account, but till

then let's roll with the punches. I'm sure anyone of us wouldn't like the prospect of impeachment on our resume.

[Aramchek]

61. don't blow us away with your enthusiasm