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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:52 PM Original message |
If DU had existed in 1965, how would it have treated Lyndon Johnson? |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. We would have definitely been divided in our own support. Anti-war |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I think some of the same McCarthyite tactics against dissent would have emerged |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
71. I'm curious as to why this post was unrec'd. I dont always agree with the OP, but |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. It's not this post. It's a control issue with the Unreccer's, I'm convinced of that. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. I haven't a clue. I remember some people saying Obama should be like Johnson. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Got that right. nt |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. The good part of LBJ was what he did on domestic issues |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
73. Here's a clue for you: LBJ was complicated. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. I dunno, but I know Huffpo would have had a daily article about what Lady Bird was |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. Today's Democrats are the Republicans of 1960s |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Yeah, but DU has dems with a small d not big D. DU is for progressive and liberals. nt |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. LBJ would have never become VP because JFK's affairs would have become public |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Really? I was a Democrat in the '60s, and I'm still a Democrat.. One thing similar is |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Lester Maddox was a Democrat |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Let me ask you something: Why are you |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I am a New Deal Democrat |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Don't make me laugh. eom. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Lester Maddox was my governor for a while |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
57. You know the "difference between an ax handle and a pick handle?" |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. love it or leave it |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. It had that ring to it, didn't it? |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. Lester Maddox was a Dem before LBJ's big realignment that lost the south. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. You do realize that those people were right, . |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
48. Did you support the Democrats inside or outside the '68 Convention in Chicago? |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. That "great rub" you're so proud of created a backlash that gave us Nixon & Reagan twice - and by |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. It's not QUITE that simple |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Another thoughtful, measured, intelligent reply. One I agree with in part, especially regarding the |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Er...you're welcome. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. LOL. I'm proud to be what you disdain as "your kind". |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Three sentences, every one of them non-responsive and/or *ad hominem*. About what I expected. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Yeah, Democratic defeat in 68 had NOTHING to do with HHH's own baggage |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
74. So, you thought the Vietnam war was just peachy then? |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
8. I think the anti-war movement, sometimes extreme, influenced the election |
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present and past (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. Johnson in 1965 did a terrific job. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I agree that, on civil rights, LBJ was the Second Lincoln |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Once again, the internet would have exposed LBJ and JFK's many affairs |
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present and past (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. At least Johnson's womanizing wasn't foolish and dangerous like Kennedy's. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
16. LBJ didn't have a CBO. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Ok, he didn't |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
43. But he also had Republicans who were willing to work with him. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
20. We marched against his war policy and praised him for his social achievments |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
24. He would have been priased and criticized |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
25. A minority would have opposed Johnson's war escalation and by 1968 that would have become a majority |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
78. I lived thru it. God, did we hate LBJ for escalating that war. And then Nixon. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
27. If DU existed in 1941, how would it have treated FDR |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. There would be plenty here who would have wanted to go against Nazi Germany |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
28. I think we would have been split |
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neshanic still (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
30. There would of been a server failure when he lifted his dog by his ears. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
31. Many, maybe most, would have been trying to drive him from office |
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neshanic still (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. At least the drafted ones would be. |
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CK_John (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. LBJ would have shown up at Skinner's door and broke his legs, end of DU. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. LOL!!! I would have paid good money to see it on Uncle Walter, too. n/t |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
34. Like shit. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. and he put wiretaps on MLK |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. Who, JFK through his brother Bobby in the latters role as Attorney General? Quite right. n/t. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. They were probably acting, at least in part, out of fear of J. Edgar Hoover |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. So, your assessment is that they were either (a) weak leaders, yanked around on Hoover's chain, or |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Of course they were shamelessly self-interested |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. But that would apply to LBJ, too, and he still managed to get more done. Remember this LBJism?: |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. And LBJ never stopped Hoover from persecuting civil rights activists |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Well, on this - the contents of your post here - we're pretty much agreed. n/t. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
52. But if it was LBJ you were referring to, so what? MLK was a controversial figure in 1965, no matter |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:47 AM Response to Original message |
39. are you saying if we were around then, we should have all stood up and saluted? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. No, I wasn't saying that. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. ok |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
40. LBJ was a servant to the corporatist olgarchy! |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:17 AM Response to Original message |
41. For A Rough Account, Sir, Of The 'DU' Attitude Towards President Johnson.... |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:06 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Considering how many progressives have decried "spending your way out of a recession" today, |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. FDR wasn't giving the money to other rich people. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
46. If DU existed in 1965, would LBJ even BE president? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Good question. Unanswerable, but good. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Have we ever uncovered and prevented a conspiracy? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
50. Yes. The Civil Rights Bill would not have been good enough |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
53. I think many of us would have treated him honestly. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
56. You mean Saint Lyndon? nt |
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Garam_Masala (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 03:05 AM Response to Original message |
66. DU would have backed Bobby Kennedy for president |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
67. Hate. He was from Texas. He would not have been picked as VP |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
72. I am not sure. But I was born in 75 so the only thing I remember about Vietnam is how my Dad did not |
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