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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:05 PM
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The Dem model for 2010 is right there. Add a few tweaks, and we keep the Congress easily.
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 01:31 PM by RBInMaine
Worried about the mid terms? Why? We have better candidates and more money. Big as the issue may be, ALL the PUKES really have is a continued sluggish economy that THEY created. So how do we hold our own in the midterms, and maybe even flip a few seats here and there? One model is right there for all to see: Mark Crist's special election win in PA. The GOP threw everything they had at Crist. He is in a socially conservative district that McGrumpy won by a few points.

How did Crist win by 6 or 7 points? He knew his district and ran conservative on the social issues. No problem doing that in THAT district. Like it or not, THAT is the culture there. However, he also knew his district is economically progressive, and he kicked the shit out of the RePUKE Wall-Streeter by attacking him on his "I Love Wall Street" record while running as a
domestic jobs supporter and economic populist. Both his positive and ATTACK messages were very good, and he ORGANIZED the unions to help him on the ground. I think he'll hold that seat this fall. So a damn good model for the rest of the party. Here it is:

1) "Excite" the Democratic base with an unwavering message of strong economic populism. (Remember how FDR rallied his troops shouting that he "welcomed the hatred" of America's monied interests lined up against him?) You take a stand of conviction and smash the shit out of the RePUKEs as the "Job Destroying Lovers Of Wall Street And Big Money Who Want To Repeal Financial Reform And Everything Else For The Middle Class". You say that what has happened to the middle class under Republicanism is IMMORAL, and that going forward we are going to once and for all invest in our own people, end the tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas, etc. (Lakeoff is right. There must be a moral frame.) You also tout our many legislative accomplishments, and continue to label the PUKES as the horrid party of "backward" and "yesterday" who created the mess in the first place, and AND that they want to kill Medicare and SS. (YES, you continue to say that THEY made the mess, and WE are trying to clean it up the right way, not by going backwards to what caused it in the first place. You make a BIG issue out of the "BIG MONEY" financing their campaigns.)

2) You also excite the base AND move many moderate Indies over to us by relentlessly attacking the RePUKES as the party of the TeaNuts. Simple as that. You attack, and attack, and attack the living shit out of them on this point. Hang the TeaNuts around their necks like a stinking albatross. "TOO EXTREME FOR _____________________. (fill in whatever district)" should be said a thousand times in every race.


3) You work like hell. (Bill Clinton said it best: "To win a campaign, you form a good message and then work like hell.") That means getting the hell off of ones' ass and putting together a grass roots organization, knocking on doors, phone banking, donating, putting out signs, lit dropping, facebooking, emailing, writing letters to the editor, etc. etc. etc. - DOORS and PHONES, in that order, are the two most effective things you can do in a campaign.

Do this, and we'll be ok. (And yes, the national leadership does need to lead the attack. But Obama HAS laid out some good attacks, and so has the DNC. We just need more more more, and even TOUGHER. And the MORAL message of economic populism MUST be shouted loudly while relentlessly attacking the PUKES as extremists and LOVERS of Wall Street and Big Money.

"Organized Money is like mob rule." - Another FDR quote.

(PS: Also look at how Reid is attacking AngleTheWhacko, how Tarryl Clark is attacking WhackoBachman, how Conway is attacking WhackpRand, etc.)
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:11 PM
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1. Do we care if we lose the house and senate if it means replacing moderates with GOP conservatives?
after all alot of the losses are in contested areas that don't always go for a progressive dem.

I'm being sarcastic but it seems to me many may get want they want: a purer but smaller minority
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:14 PM
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2. We're a large regional nation, and any pure party will be a PERMANENT minority party. You MUST have
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 01:15 PM by RBInMaine
big tent to be nationally viable. "Progressives" need to understand this absolute reality once and for all.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:32 PM
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4. And yet if the progressives continually get the short end of the stick, or a smaller and smaller
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 01:33 PM by AndyA
piece of the pie, what's in it for them?

We go back to the "well, they aren't as bad as the GOP" excuse. And that's what it is: an excuse. Justification for doing a poor job.

I don't claim to have all of the answers, or even any of the answers. But I do know that continuing to work our butts off to get Dems elected, and then allowing them to keep doing what they've been doing the last few years is a losing battle.

It will get more difficult to get then elected every couple of years, because they will have more and more of a less than impressive record to defend.

If the progressives accept reality this time, and continue to support Dems, when does it come time for the Conservadems to do the same? Because, quite frankly, I've never seen that happen.

The Dems are going to have to give the progressives a reason to believe.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:47 PM
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5. As a purist you have the following choices:
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 01:59 PM by RBInMaine
1) Whine non-stop in glass-half-empty land and stay home like a child pounding your fists for lack of purity then blame the Dems for not exciting you enough to vote when YOU have to suck on Republicanism again.

2) Organize your district, be it blue, red, or purple, and then prove you can nominate and elect a pure "progressive."

3) Grow up, realize the following, and get then get out there and at least vote, or better yet WORK for the Dems: a) We live in a very large and diverse nation that needs a LARGE TENT party to be nationally viable. Sorry, but some people are more moderate to conservative in this nation no matter how much you don't like it, and pure "progressives" will NOT be elected in many areas of our big country. (Unless, per #2 above, YOU can PROVE otherwise.) b) Even per Maddow, we have had more PROGRESS (remember that, the actual root of the word "progressive") under Obama than since LBJ if not FDR. Sorry, but we can't change the whole world overnight as you may like. Still, you should find some things you like in the MANY accomplishments, or we could always go back to Bushism and see how you like that. c) LIFE is about DIFFERENCES and DEGREES. God damn right Dems are a whole fucking lot better than the ReSCUM TeaRacists, and THAT should be a VERY good reason to whine less and work and vote more.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:16 PM
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14. Not happy? Then NOMINATE and WIN with the "progressives" you want. Can't? Then stop
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 03:17 PM by RBInMaine
the bitching. Either ORGANIZE and WIN more primaries and elections, in EVERY district, or be happy with what you have. Can't fail to elect your type then bitch. Only children do that.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:48 PM
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6. Not if the progressives educate the seed-corn before the DLC does
History has shown that this can work, but the progressives must beat the DLC to the punch.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:57 PM
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7. As with Crist though, sometimes it MUST be a MIX of DLC and "Progressivism."
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:16 PM
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3. The beauty is as the TeaRadicals take over the Pugs, THEY are driving themselves into permanent
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 01:19 PM by RBInMaine
minority status in the medium and long term. The national demographics are going to keep crushing them.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:37 PM
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8. As long as we protect the progressives, this round, I am perfectly fine with losing outspoken DLCers
to conservative GOPnuts. They prompted these loses to happen so they need to bear the brunt of the losses.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:12 PM
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12. Don't fall into the purity trap. Otherwise you'll be a permanent minority and get NOTHING.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:16 PM
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15. Those DLCers are exactly why we are in this mess today. They took control of the levers of power and
blew it, just like they blew it back in 1994. They need to be purged or they'll do it again the next time we get a filibuster proof majority.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:20 PM
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17. The DLC excuse is really getting lame. Not happy? Then WIN more primaries and then the general elec-
tions with your kind of candidates in all those red to purple districts where "DLCers" CAN win. If you fall into the purity trap, you are DOOMED. We are a big nation with many regions, and the type of pure progressives you want WILL NOT WIN in some places, unless YOU can prove me wrong. Better to have DLCers there than TeaBaggers.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 05:02 PM
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25. Not with this administration and the Congressional committees taking sides in primaries.
The DLCers support their own with funding and work hard to kill off progressive candidates. I'm just following their example.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 07:13 PM
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26. What, more excuses? Why can't "progressives" muster armies of dedicated volunteers? Excuses.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 07:37 PM
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29. We did it and then Obama's DLC team dismantled it. (nt)
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:39 PM
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9. Winning would be easier if our party was actually
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 03:03 PM by ThomCat
representing main street instead of going into the election having to Pretend to voters that they do, or will if re-elected.

They best they can say is that they are better than the republicans. But people are sick of the lesser of two evils.

"I'm slightly less bought and paid for by corporate crooks than the republican guy is. I promise I won't sell you out to wall street quite and much, quite as fast."

If our party had done anything that actually scared wall street, or worried insurance companies, and showed real backbone instead of being unfailingly cowardly and timid, people would be lining up to cheer and celebrate. We would have the election sewn up with a guaranteed landslide. We would be the party of the people, and everyone would know it.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:42 PM
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10. +1000
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:14 PM
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13. Hogshit. We have a fucking laundry list of progressive accomplishments.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:19 PM
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16. Not really. The most important and popular parts of every accomplishment were removed before the law
was passed. They do everything, *except* the most important aspect of what they needed to do. Watered down by DLCers pretending to be trying to get Republican votes.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:22 PM
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18. Then go to those districts, organize the "progressives" you like next time, and WIN there. Either
put up and prove you can actually WIN more elections in the red to purple districts with Kucinich types, or step into the real world.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:29 PM
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20. That attitude tells us that you don't consider progressives
to be democrats.

Real nice. And you accuse US of wanting purity? That is the kind of attitude that has broken up the party.

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:59 PM
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24. Exactly. That arrogant attitude you refer to is the embodiment of the DLC and this administration.nt
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 07:25 PM
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28. DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC yaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwnn. Excuses excuses excuses. And,
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 07:29 PM by RBInMaine
I don't need lectures from purists (NOT "progressives" because they want absoluteness and not "progress" which actually occurs in steps) who are so extreme that they must completely disagree even with Rachel Maddow who has touted the laundry list of Obama/Dem accomplishments. This is the crowd who doesn't like Elana Kagen as they claim she's too "centrist." This is the crowd who must also deeply resent Dennis Kucinich, Alan Grayson, and Bernie Sanders for voting for the healthcare bill.

This holdout for purity and nothing less is what will kill ANY real political party. No large tent mean NO national party. No national party means little to NO power. Let the fucking RePUKES be the purists. Let them tear down moderate R's as "RINOS." Moderates need a party, and I sure as hell welcome them. The TeaRadicals hate them. You keep moderates out of your party, and you are NOT a viable party. And I have burned enough shoe leather electing democrats of ACROSS the spectrum for years that I sure as hell won't be called "arrogant". (Today I email networked, donated, and canvassed on behalf of local Dems. What did you do?) I operate in the real world, not the pure and perfect world that doesn't exist. If we could elect 535 Alan Graysons to the House and Senate, great. But it will not happen in this large and diverse nation. So please enter the real world.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 07:39 PM
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30. Sorry. These people have proven themselves more dangerous inside the Democratic Party
than outside the Democratic Party. Their first loyalty is to Wall Street and that is NOT moderate. I support moderate Democrats. I do not support Wall Street Democrats and will actively fight for their defeat.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:27 PM
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19. No. You have a laundry list of compromises
that make corporations very happy, and only look progressive to people who aren't progressive and don't look very closely. :eyes:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:44 PM
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22. Actually, you have a list of 121 accomplishments and 39 compromises:
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 04:44 PM by jenmito
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 07:47 PM
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31. Bull. You're just discrediting a fact-checking site that you obviously don't like. n/t
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 07:13 PM
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27. Yawn. Broken record.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 07:55 PM
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32. Do you have something worth saying?
:shrug:
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:11 PM
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34. oh, it was worth saying
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:54 PM
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11. K&R. It's so simple-but some just don't CARE. n/t
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:30 PM
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21. Rule #1: Finally start listening to your Base
Rule #2: STOP IGNORING YOUR BASE
RUle #3: Running Scared on anything the right says doesnt instill confidence in your Base.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 09:57 PM
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33. How do you run on populism when your record doesn't support it?
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