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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 02:14 AM
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Newsweek - "The Post-Imperial PresidencyThe Post-Imperial Presidency" -Fareed Zakaria
Interesting article from Fareed Zakaria on President Obama's foreign policy:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/225824



If you take just one sentence out, Barack Obama's speech on Afghanistan last week was all about focusing and limiting the scope of America's mission in that country. His goal, he said, was "narrowly defined." The objectives he detailed were exclusively military—to deny Al Qaeda a safe haven, reverse the Taliban's momentum, and strengthen the Kabul government's security forces. He said almost nothing about broader goals like spreading democracy, protecting human rights, or assisting in women's education. The nation that he was interested in building, he explained, was America.

And then there was that one line: "I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan." Here lies the tension in Barack Obama's policy. He wants a clearer, more discriminating foreign policy, one that pares down the vast commitments and open-ended interventions of the Bush era, perhaps one that is more disciplined even than Bill Clinton's approach to the world. (On the campaign trail, Obama repeatedly invoked George H.W. Bush as the president whose foreign policy he admired most.) But America is in the midst of a war that is not going well, and scaling back now would look like cutting and running. Obama is searching for a post-imperial policy in the midst of an imperial crisis. The qualified surge—send in troops to regain the momentum but then draw down—is his answer to this dilemma. This is an understandable compromise, and it could well work, but it pushes off a final decision about Afghanistan until the troop surge can improve the situation on the ground. Eighteen months from now, Obama will have to answer the core question: is a stable and well-functioning Afghanistan worth a large and continuing American ground presence, or can American interests be secured at much lower cost?

This first year of his presidency has been a window into Barack Obama's world view. Most presidents, once they get hold of the bully pulpit, cannot resist the temptation to become Winston Churchill. They gravitate to grand rhetoric about freedom and tyranny, and embrace the moral drama of their role as leaders of the free world. Even the elder Bush, a pragmatist if there ever was one, lapsed into dreamy language about "a new world order" once he stood in front of the United Nations. Not Obama. He has been cool and calculating, whether dealing with Russia, Iran, Iraq, or Afghanistan. A great orator, he has, in this arena, kept his eloquence in check. Obama is a realist, by temperament, learning, and instinct. More than any president since Richard Nixon, he has focused on defining American interests carefully, providing the resources to achieve them, and keeping his eyes on the prize.



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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 02:24 AM
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1. No instant food over at the Obama house......
obviously.

Perhaps that's why those folks swear up and down he's not a "real" American,
he forgot to pick up the habit of American instant gratification! :shrug:
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nilram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 03:03 AM
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2. k&r, in spite of the unrecs -nt
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 03:08 AM
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3. So nice, he had to say it twice.
;)
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 03:47 AM
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4. You'd think "progressives" will love him for this:
He has been cool and calculating, whether dealing with Russia, Iran, Iraq, or Afghanistan. A great orator, he has, in this arena, kept his eloquence in check. Obama is a realist, by temperament, learning, and instinct. More than any president since Richard Nixon, he has focused on defining American interests carefully, providing the resources to achieve them, and keeping his eyes on the prize.

But Noooooooooo! The truth always interfere with a good purity outrage.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:28 AM
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9. "Progressives" don't want cool. They want ANGER.
they want him to get in peoples' faces and say "SHUT UP FOOL! THIS IS HOW IT'S GONNA BE!"

they want him to be the angry black man.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:38 AM
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15. Bullshit
In fact the one time Obama did show anger was when he told us to get in line.
Really, he said now was not the time to disagree.
Reminded me of the old "with us or against us" that DUers used to get angry over.
Oh, how I miss the old DU.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:58 PM
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16. Well you obviously needed to be told.
It's not Obama's fault that you can't tell the difference between "lockstep" and "unity".
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 01:15 PM
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18. Told? Told what?
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 01:15 PM by BeFree
Obama was at his angriest when he said that we should be unified.

That anger is not appreciated.

Now, if he ever got angry at the fact that Bush put us where we are, that would be fine by me. As it is he says to just look forward.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 01:20 PM
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19. People who deserve anger never appreciate it.
They always think someone ELSE deserves the anger...never them. It's always someone else. "Why are you yelling at ME??? Yell at HIM! He's the one that's doing this!" It's the common excuse of teenagers.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 01:27 PM
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20. I deserve anger?
You really think because I don't want the MIC to run the foreign policy of the US that I deserve anger?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 07:12 PM
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26. Do you have a link?
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 04:01 AM
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30. I'll tell you what they want
The want a Lefty George Bush. Someone who would act like Bush, only doing "progressive" agenda, because that would be legitimate, as it's the "right" thing to do.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 04:22 AM
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5. "Post-imperial"? Did Fareed Zakaria just confirm that Baby Caligula is really, truly gone?
and that we may begin to hope that the Neo-cons with PNAC are gone too?

My God I really hope so. That would be -- dare I say it here at DU -- a Change I could believe in.

Hekate

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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 07:50 AM
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8. The death of the American Empire has been greatly
overstated... :(

It is alive and well and unfortunately still in teenage mode.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:42 AM
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11. But I think a grownup may be in the driver's seat even if the juvenile delinquents are still...
... acting like fools in the back of the school bus. They could still cause an accident, I know...

I find Fareed Z's thoughts on the subject encouraging, at any rate.

Hekate

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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:34 AM
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13. Indeed. Did he mean the Post-Post-Imperial Presidency or the Post-Imperial Imperial Presidency?
The Post Imperial era lasted like 12 hours after the election was called for Obama and then it just kinda petered out.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 02:38 PM
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21. I think Obama has found himself caught-up in it,,,
despite any good intentions.

Empire has an impetus all its own.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:01 PM
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28. I think Pres Obama is doing what he
thinks is the best thing for our Planet's safety.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 12:40 AM
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29. Exactly what Mr. Bush thought...
Edited on Tue Dec-08-09 12:41 AM by JCMach1
:(

Those thoughts revolve around maintaining American Empire in the guise of 'National Security'... not maintaining America
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 04:58 AM
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6. Zakaria is one that I really admire
I try to watch his show on CNN, but with the time change it's on later now. Saw the column earlier today and didn't have time to stop and read it so I'm glad you posted it. If you like him, make sure to join his FB fan page.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 01:12 PM
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17. he is a shining star in an abyss of assholioness. best of all CNN. nt
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 05:02 AM
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7. How refreshing
to read an insightful analysis for a change. I'm dismayed by the shallow thinking, and rolling drumbeat of cliched nonsense that passes for the fourth estate.

From what I've read and observed Obama is a complex thinker, and a rather original President. Most of the mainstream media hoards can't wrap their little heads around that fact. Fareed Zakaria can.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:54 AM
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10. And when Fareed Zakaria speak ....
... Clio the Leo listens.

His show is one of the more under-appreciated politcal shows on television. His interview with the President during the campaign was one of my favorites.
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:29 AM
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12. Goes along with latest by Beinart
Terrific Beinart piece entitled Obama Shrinks the War on Terror with a similar message:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1945182,00.html#ixzz0Yp4oqBTH

My favorite line from Zakaria article:

Obama is searching for a post-imperial policy in the midst of an imperial crisis.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 11:35 AM
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14. So does Phx_Dem and spouse. Smart, nonpartisian people are worth listening to.
And Fareed is the only smart person on TV on Sundays.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 03:36 PM
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23. Me too.
Zakaria's a smart fella.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:36 PM
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27. I've always like his analysis as well
Very few people on this planet understand Middle East politics better than this fellow.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 03:34 PM
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22. Very interesting analysis
Zakaria is always worth reading/listening to. Very smart guy, knows how to think and listen.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 06:57 PM
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24. Zakaria hits it right
showing that Obama's decision was anything, but the continuation of the Bush Doctrine
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 07:08 PM
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25. Good to see this bc leading up to bush's war on Iraq
..I remember Zakaria as being one of the proponents and I didn't like that at all.

Really nice to see he's been dealing in reality.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 04:19 AM
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31. "Obama is a realist"
...kinda sums it all up.

political reality in 21rst century united corporate states of america.


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