If and when the Repubs take back the House: We will only have ourselves to blame!!!

[Pisces]

This isn't a thread to bash those that criticize the administration. It doesn't matter how many rallies Glenn Beck has, if we decided to vote at the midterms he could rally until armageddon and we shouldn't care. It will not be Obama's fault if the Repukes take the House, it will be our fault. The fault of the people who do not vote, and those of us who would rather complain than get the vote
out. Glenn Beck, the rightwing loons, Sarah Palin don't control us and they can't stop us from voting. There are way too many threads about those yahoos.

If you are not voting this midterm for whatever outrage you feel, you can shut the fuck up the rest of the Obama term. "Cutting your nose off to spite your face" what a trite expression that applies in
full force now. Sitting out elections is not teaching anyone a lesson, just getting more loons elected.

Criticize, complain, march, demand everything you want from this admin, but don't hobble them by not voting and expect your perfect pony to come trotting out in the next 2 years.

[msongs]

1. it will be the fault of Obama and dems in congress who don't deliver something worth voting for nt

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[Vincardog]

11. As opposed to WHAT? What exactly have our House delivered for US? HCR = Guaranteeing no completion f

Insurance COs.

Card Check = UNDER THE BUS

Ending DADT = Under the bus

Getting rid of BBV HA HA HA

Stimulus = TAX breaks for billionaires


OK its your turn what have the Democrats given us to rally around?

WE ARE BETTER THAN GOD AWFUL will NOT FLY

[YOY]

16. Hush chile...

It's all our faults for daring to notice the obvious.

It's Harry Truman's fault for saying “Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time”...

Damn that constituency...they expect Democrats to not just talk differently but act boldy differently. Damn them...

[NJmaverick]

60. If you had noticed the obvious you would see how much good has been

by the Dems and President Obama

[YOY]

4. +1

Change doesn't mean Republican solutions from 1993 and the same old shit with a happier face.

Either road leads to destruction.

We needed leadership in a new direction not a bold new coat of paint on the same old song and dance with a few slight alterations and delaying tacics.

[txlibdem]

37. We needed bold leadership

We got hoodwinked by the grand speeches. Then after he got into office he put the same Bush people in all the key positions, failed to re-regulate business (BP, etc.), started privatizing the school system and bashing teachers unions, threw out single payer before the debate even started on health care, gave $135 Billion in tax cuts for the rich as part of the stimulus, bailed out the banks and the auto corps but failed to lift a finger for millions of Americans losing their homes, and now he's got the cat food commission to do a hatchet job on social security when we all know that it's all the giveaways and loopholes for the rich and corporations that is hurting the budget and the economy.

I'd say that the Obama administration is the greatest demolition crew in the history of politics.

[NJmaverick]

59. We need realism, not fantasy leaders

[jgraz]

70. A very sensible post.

Here's some realism for you: Obama's poor performance has demoralized enough Democrats that they're in danger of losing the House. What's your plan to fix that?

[NJmaverick]

76. Yes, the real world does tend to be more sensible

hoping for a leader with ideals that are impossible to actually achieve, on the other hand, is the complete opposite of sensible.

PS- it's extremely telling how you knock a positive virtue like sensibility, it says quite a lot.

[LittleBlue]

83. But what is your solution?

Just how is it that Obama and the Democratic congress have done all these amazing things that voters just refuse to realize?

Why is it we are projected to lose the House? Is that someone else's fault?

[jgraz]

90. * crickets *

Is anyone surprised? :eyes:

[NJmaverick]

98. You keeping on fighting and keep on struggling

all the while keeping things in proper perspective and appreciating every bit of progress in the right direction (in this case a record amount of progress)

[paulk]

79. the "reality" is that Obama's leadership has been wanting

excuses aside....

[NJmaverick]

99. Historic accomplishments come from great leadership not accident

so your comments make little sense.

[paulk]

102. the "historic accomplishment" he's going to be remembered for

is presiding over the 2nd Great Depression - if he doesn't pull his head out of his ass and start dealing with the economy instead of preemptively writing his name in the history books.

[Aramchek]

17. no, it will be the fault of you and others like you who have been stumbling blocks from the get-go

[inna]

33. "Stumbling blocks"??

:wtf:

[SwampG8r]

105. when i started reading this thread

i said "hey..these are the people who have been telling me to shut up every time i make a valid point that intrudes on their delusional view of obama.....i wonder how many replies before one of them says we are the problem while pretending to want to heal the schisms"
and there it was
du is nothing if not consistant

[jgraz]

47. For example, I was the one who invited Rick Warren to the inauguration

Now, which one of you bailed on Single Payer? Fess up, now!

[CakeGrrl]

28. If you don't vote, YOU chose not to exercise your right.

Funny how some want to shirk their responsibility by saying "Obama and the Dems didn't make me WANT to go to the polls." WAAAAAH.

Sit and whine 'til the cows come home. The vote arithmetic will still be a fact.

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[NJmaverick]

54. You need to take responsibility for your own actions

It's ever citizen's responsibility to save the nation from the destructive GOP

[katandmoon]

95. Tell that to Obama, 'K?

[Mass]

55. If you dont vote and we get a Republican congress which makes things worse, dont blame anybody but

yourself.

As bad as the Democrats are, a Republican Congress will make things even worse, and if you dont get this simple fact or if you think it will do some good because people will wake up, dont call yourself a progressive.

[LostinVA]

104. +1

[firedupdem]

2. I agree...

Sitting out the election isn't doing anything but guaranteeing republican victories.

[Peacetrain]

5. The first jackass that tells me they are sitting out this election.. I am personally

going to kick into the next state.

[abq e streeter]

36. Lovely--so "peace"train is threatening to physically assault fellow Duers

who may choose to say they've had enough of the sellouts, gutlessness, etc of the "leadership" of a party I first worked for when I was about 17 . Nice to know.I plan on voting my usual straight Democratic ticket ,but if I find this November that I've finally had enough of the illusion /kabuki theater/ dog and pony show of our 'two party system", I will PM you my home address,and I invite you to come here and try to "kick me into the next state". If you can.

[Peacetrain]

44. Keep your PM's to yourself..

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[abq e streeter]

45. Glad you think threatening people is so funny

That's really the best response you could come up with ? I guess it's easy to threaten other people, and when your bluff is called, pretend it's all a big joke to you. Pathetic.

[Peacetrain]

46. You want to go toe to toe with me

:rofl: oh lord you are beyond funny

[abq e streeter]

49. I don't want to go "toe to toe" with anyone

I see that your only means of responding to being called out for threatening posts is to do more of the same. All I need to know...Bye.

[activa8tr]

6. NO, because you can't argue with the STUPID, the racists, the Fox News!

pundits, all of that has 24/7/365 and not one thing the White House has done with the media can counteract that.

Message to stupid voters, Obama is bad. Democrats are bad. Liberals are bad. Comes from Fox and all the rest.

Only ultra sophisticated intellectual malcontents will choose to not vote in November, just because Obama isn't perfect and they haven't got their pony they were promised yet.

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[denimgirly]

13. Because there is a (D) next to a Name doesnt mean you should follow Blindly. Remember that.

You sound like a person that will follow a party off a cliff simply because there is a (D) attached to it.
Use your brain. This is not the army where you kill because your superior tells you to. If you are willing to be a lemming in support of a party that has given more to special intersts than us then so be it.

The republicans are worse than democrats but to say the democrats are AMAZING is appalling. The party is about 60% corrupt and the rest are just scared to challenge the right and hence follow them.

Can you belive they are even contemplating the idea of tweaking Social Security? To even "think" about that is appalling. Where is the democratic party we knew?

I am hoping someone like Grayson or Weiner take a more center role as a new rising leader for our party because if not we will continue to shift right. I am a progressive and its time you started remembering what our party stood for instead of accepting the left overs the right is tossing your way.

[Pisces]

19. That is a ridiculous statement. I am a person that would rather have something

than nothing. I am a person who didn't have wax in their ears when Obama was campaigning. I heard him say he would focus on Afghanistan and that he would work with Republicans and that he
would be a centrist. I never heard him say he would govern from the left. i heard him say roll up your sleeves, not sit on your ass.

I also never said the dems are amazing we should follow blindly, but your anger is obviously coloring all of your emotions and what you are reading. You sound like someone who wants the repukes to
win so that you can complain some more about how the admin has let you down.

You want Grayson and Weiner until they disappoint you by having to act like adults and compromise to get shit done. I wish this conversation was in any way making a dent, but I can tell from your
negative attitude that you are not reading just making up your own narrative.

This thread was in response to those focused on the Beck rally. If you want to demand things from this admin., hobbling them will not get you any closer to your dream unicorn. In fact it could set you
back, but then you would have more to complain about therefore giving you something to do. The rest of us will be working to get shit done.

[txlibdem]

38. +1 to denimgirly

Right on all counts.

Progressives put the Dems over the top and we have a voice. We need to keep using it until the slippery slide towards the right is stopped and reversed. Let us use our voice until any Democrat who even thinks of reducing social security payouts or raising the retirement age for people who've been working for 30 years would be terrified for his or her job.

[NJmaverick]

63. You sound like the type of person that will drive our nation off a cliff

just to spite the dems

[Vincardog]

14. Right don't let the batshit crazy be the enemy of the BAD.

[jaxx]

12. That trashes the Democrat Party and the Obama administration.

I'm sure you didn't mean to do that.

[firedupdem]

15. Ok....you just sit back and relax.

To me, democrats pretend to be for the people but secretly wish they were just like Republicans.

:wtf:

[nightrain]

10. No. People will vote with their feet if their reps are endorsing policies that are

counter to the peoples' values. That's what representative democracy is about--the reps make their choices, and we get to say yea or nay to the reps' continued presence in Congress or the presidency.

Remember that bit about voting against one's interests/values? Dems do that too. But we can stop doing that and not vote for Blue Dogs or New Dems anylonger.

It's important to hold reps accountable for their choices/votes.

Fear about the nasty Repubs regaining seats just doesn't cut it anylonger.

[Honeycombe8]

18. Speak for yourself. It won't be my fault the Dems lose seats. I've done my part.

I contributed to Obama's campaign, voted for him, spoke highly of him to anyone who'd listen. I've pretty much been a supporter of his throughout his tenure....except for a time during the health care reform act debacle (at one point I was so angry I said I've vote Republican....but I have recovered my senses since then).

But anytime you have the WH and both houses of Congress as one party, the other party will gain seats in the mid-terms.

Then add a terrible economy. The other party will gain a lot more seats. Doesn't matter WHY the economy is terrible. This is just the way it is.

Then add the fact that the current administration has not been a good horn tooter for itself. The other party will blow it out the a__ during the mid-terms. (I see the Repubs all over the media speaking their talking points, forcefully and successfully; I rarely see the Dems doing that.)

Then add the fact that the current administration has made some big errors (not sticking to its principles, for example; going whichever way the political wind is blowing; the healthcare reform act hasn't gone over well with the public; corruption in the Dem ranks with Rangel and Waters; etc.).

So let's not blame us, the voters. At least not me. I like Obama. I think he's one smart guy who is doing a good job (not a great job, but a good job). I remember the mess he inherited; the country was on the verge of economic collapse. I remember that it wasn't he who was responsible for the TARP....it was George Bush and Sen. Dodd. I've noticed just how much he has accomplished against overwhelming odds. I've not been overly critical of him.

So no....I don't have myself to blame for the losses coming up.

[Hansel]

27. It's not about Obama right now. These are state by state elections.

This is about your congressperson and your senator, if up for re-election. It's not enough to have elected the president. If it's too late to elect progressives, it still doesn't make sense that anyone would want their district or state represented by any Republican at this stage of the game.

We are talking about a party that has been pushed so far to the right that they are writing "papers please" laws, and using vaginal probes to emotionally torture women seeking abortions, and talking about making welfare recipients live in prisons. I wish this was just me talking crazy, but unfortunately it's all true.

We are talking about a party that is trying to prevent people from other religions from building places of worship in this country and claiming this country was founded on Christianity. Who want to eliminate social security and the dept of eduction. Who think that it's okay for gays and lesbians to die for this country but not to talk about who they are. That somehow their marriage will be destroyed if two men or two women marry. And these are people who promise endless investigations of Obama at a time when this country really needs good leadership. This is not a sane group of people. This is not who this country needs controlling any branch of government.

Obama is completely out of the picture. The focus in this election is on the congress. No need to even think about him right now. If the voters are using Obama as an excuse not to stand up to these thugs in their states then maybe they need to be blamed. All politics is local and anything else is just an excuse.

[nightrain]

34. actually, Obama is completely in view. Rachel Maddow said it well--

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/16/democrats

"But one less soul-sucking way to motivate your base and to win an election and to keep winning elections and to, frankly, have history look kindly upon you, is to get your base to cheer for you -- not just to cheer against someone else, but to see you standing up, not just to bad guys with worse ideas than you, but to see you standing up for what is right because you know it is right, because we know you know it's right, even though you also know standing up for it is hard.

That is how you regain the enthusiasm of your base. That is how you win the respect of your base. That is how you win the respect of the country. And admit it: that is how you win your own self-respect, too."

Huh?!? "Do the right thing?!?" If only there were enough of the kind of Democrats who would do that instead of catering to the corporations. Something to work for long-term.

[Touchdown]

20. Awww! Might as well JUMP!

[Honeycombe8]

58. Jump? (jump, jump, jump) Go ahead and jump!

:bounce:

[Safetykitten]

21. Too late. I 'm gay so I have my blame card filled in. Go work the other side of the street.

[chill_wind]

22. I think there will be plenty of voter turn-out, but here's something to keep in mind.

See the recent gallup poll that cites that 40% of Americans are now identifying themselves as Independent. That's up from 33% Independent from just a year ago and represents a significantly higher percentage then either party. Democrat (30%) or Republican (29%).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/Party-Affiliation.aspx

Voters are ANGRY. In both parties. And the bulk of it is being driven not at all unsurprisingly (especially among Independents) by the economy and continuing unemployment, and manifesting itself in all kinds of ugly.


The Jobless Effect: Unemployment Is Fueling Independent Voters' Anger
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/careers/unemployment-fuels-independent-voters-anger/19557419/

Uber-partisan Dems really, really need to start getting this.

"....expect your perfect pony to come trotting out in the next 2 years."

zzzZZZzzz

[AspenRose]

24. "It's the economy, stupid"

Praying that the Republicans don't get control and subject us to "Hunting of the President 2.0" - because that's what they're plotting.

[MaeScott]

23. Weed out the blue dogs. More better dems,please! nt

[Vinca]

25. Mad as I am, I will be voting in both the primary and general election

and I will be supporting Democrats. Actually, it's more like I'll be voting against Republicans. But it struck me today that maybe the people of this country are so god awful dumb that it will have to get a whole lot worse before it gets better . . . and if Republicans take over it certainly will get worse. I hope it doesn't happen, but if it does I sure as hell hope it's a wake up call to Democrats in office and running for office. They should support Democratic principles, not try to be Republican-lite for whatever reason. If people like Republicans, they'll vote for a real one, not a Democrat acting like one. All the Republican-lites do is piss off the Democrats they should be counting on to vote for them.

[inna]

26. what lame and intelligence-insulting drivel.

fail.

[CakeGrrl]

29. Do you know how to count votes? n/t

[NJmaverick]

53. Your comments bring nothing to the conversation

[Ramulux]

30. I dont agree

Its the party's responsibility to make us want to vote for them. However that doesn't mean we should just stay home, that is an even worse idea. Anyone who isn't going to vote is just shooting themselves in the foot and is being some sort of naive idealist. We get it, the dems and Obama have been super weak but we dont really have much of a choice when it comes to elections.

In my case, there are so many reasons to vote in November all of them having to do with the insane shit republicans have promised to do if they take power. I dont even really care about the dems anymore, my main focus is simply keeping the repubs out of the majority. They have lot their minds and will actively make things worse as opposed to Obama who at least tries to fix things even though he comes up short most of the time.

[NJmaverick]

52. You're wrong as a citizen you have a responsibility to protect our nation

from the destructive GOP

[nightrain]

61. and how about the destructive elements in the Democratic party? do we have to ignore them?

I say no. It's not either/or.

It would be wise for Dems to clean up our own mess first.

Attraction is a far better principle for mobilizing the base than is fear.

Dems don't have to take a page out of Rove's handbook.

[NJmaverick]

62. If you think the Dems are anywhere near as bad as the far right GOP you are

sorely mistaken.

[nightrain]

66. not sure where I said that. Please provide a citation.

[Ramulux]

93. You didnt read my post

If you are going to reply why dont you take the time to actually read what I wrote

[Orsino]

31. Reserve a share of the blame for the poweful...

...who have so successfully taught so many of us that voting doesn't matter.

[NJmaverick]

57. Have you learn nothing from the 8 years of horror the GOP brought us?!?!

[Orsino]

86. I've learned how it was possible.

A government that was already failing so many of its citizens only gets more dysfunctional when those citizens fail to vote, or otherwise to attempt to influence its course.

[yurbud]

32. I will vote, but the blame lies squarely with Obama and party leaders if they lose

they gave us a crumb and the rest of the cake to the rich,and told us to be thankful for what we got because the Republicans wouldn't even have given us the crumb.

That's not exactly the way to inspire loyalty.

[hulka38]

39. There isn't a new thought in the entire OP

and aside from that it's completely wrong.

[Odin2005]

40. It will be the falt of Obama and the other Corporatists.

[NJmaverick]

51. You shouldn't hold the nation's well being hostage

the idea that you will sacrifice our naiton's well being if they fail to meet your demands is not a good one.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

41. We need to hold the House & Senate and replace DINOs with progressives

It will be a lot harder to dislodge a sitting Republican from a congressional seat than to replace a conservative Democrat with a progressive one. Once the Repugs get hold of either house in congress they are going to prevent any issue put forward by the Democrats or Obama. Look at what they did when Clinton was president. They refused to approve a single one of his federal judicial appointments and left nearly one hundred lifetime positions for Bush to fill -- and screamed like bloody murder when the Dems questioned the qualifications of less than a half-dozen after dutifully approving the rest.

Keeping the Democratic Party in control of both houses of Congress is bigger than just party loyalty, IMHO. It's about looking down the road over the decades to come and decide the kind country we want to leave to our kids -- a nation defined by liberal values or one which follows the course that Glen Beck and Sarah Palin advocate.

To choose to "sit this one out" to "send a message" is choosing the later direction. Personally, I am going to look beyond my current disappointment and anger and focus on the long-term picture by voting to keep my Democratic senator (Boxer) in office and trying to knock my Republican congressman (Jerry Lewis) out.

[ncteechur]

42. OP, you are absolutely correct!

Vote and vote democrat. You may not like things the way they are now, but you're definitely not going to like them with repubs in charge.

[Stevepol]

43. If Obama had followed his own heart and not Rahm's brain,

half of these people out en masse today would be rallying behind him. People at their level of understanding want action and they don't care who gives it to them. If Obama had given the US single payer medicare for all, if he'd made the stimulus about 5 times or more bigger than it was, including some WPA type programs to really stimulate the economy, if he'd really cracked down on the banks, arresting the criminals, re-structuring the banks and MAKING them lend to small businesses and worthy borrowers in general. The list cd go on and on.

If he hd done those things, then what wd these idiots have had to rally about? Lost jobs and unemployment would have been well on the way to recovery levels. The banks by now would have been back to honest and legal dimensions, etc.

What would there have been to rally about?

These guys are going to rally about something as long as things look bad.

It cd be that we'll have to have another Republican disaster in order to get a Congress that finally gets the message. THE US WANTS CHANGE AND WE DON'T WANT THE SAME OLD CORPORATION SELL-OUTS.

[nightrain]

73. hmmm... good points... possible... good and effective policies don't attract those ralliers...

thanks.

[jgraz]

48. "We" meaning the "we" who cheered on Obama's demoralizing behavior?

Cuz that's the only "we" that's causing Democrats to stay home this fall.

[NJmaverick]

50. You need to take responsibility for your own action

and stop blaming others for your short comings.

[jgraz]

64. You first, Chuckles.

[NJmaverick]

65. I see you don't have a reasoned response, that's OK

I didn't think you would. I am sure that's someone else's fault though.

[jgraz]

67. You post an open taunt and expect a "reasoned response"?

Do you ever stop playing these bullshit games? Ever?

Assuming for a second that you're sincere in your support of Obama, how in hell do you think your behavior is helping him? You alienate most of the posters you interact with. The few who don't have you on ignore are either dedicated BOG members or people like me who appreciate the minor entertainment value of watching you splutter. Either way, you're not winning your hero any new supporters.

[NJmaverick]

68. An open taunt would only describe your avatar, not my pointed observation

Again, you need to take responsibility for your own actions and own up to your responsibilities as a citizen, which include keeping the horrible GOP out of power.

[jgraz]

69. Still bent over an avatar. How sad is that?

And you didn't answer my question. How, exactly, do your actions help Obama? Do you personally plan on taunting every single poster who's expressed disappointment with Obama's policies? Or are you going to personally call every Democrat who's been demoralized by this president's actions?

How do you see that working for you?

[NJmaverick]

75. So you tried to accuse me of engaging in the taunting that you readily admit to, noted

as for your question, you need to tell me how your constant attacks on the President are helping. If you are concerned about helping the President, that is far more important a question. Followed closely by why you blame others for your own actions.

[jgraz]

92. Aaaand another deflection

You really don't have any answers, do you?

[NJmaverick]

100. Why do you refuse to take responsibility for your own actions

why blame others?

[jgraz]

103. I will happily take responsibility for my own actions

I worked my ass off for candidate Obama, donated to him and voted for him. Together with my fellow progresssives, we gave him the largest mandate since Reagan and the biggest Congressional majorities in two generations.

Then, after Obama took office, I held his feet to the fire to follow through on his message of change -- as Obama himself asked us to do.

So, I'm pretty goddamn happy to take responsibility for my actions.


Now, why do you seem physically incapable of assigning any responsibility to this administration for the political shithole we currently find ourselves in?

[NJmaverick]

107. I think you need to improve on your "holding his feet to the fire" techniques

as you ended up burning and maiming rather than creating incentive.

[jgraz]

110. Another dodge. Why won't you answer a simple question?

In your opinion, what responsibility does Obama have for his current low approval ratings and the general disillusionment of the left?

[jgraz]

111. * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise *

Of course... :eyes:

[Pisces]

74. It sure seems like some on this board are intent on campaigning against this administration.

I originally posted this as a response to all of the Beck and Palin posts. Those people mean less than nothing to us. We should be more focused on our causes than what the opposition hate rally.

That being said, so many posts on this thread are against Obama, and teaching him and his admin a lesson by not voting. What kind of kindergarden logic are we working with???? Is this still a
democratic site where we support our democratic President?? Advocating for your issues is one thing, all out campaigning against our President is asinine. I get the sense that some on this board
wand to see Obama fail. It's like you won lotto by matching 4 out of the 5 numbers and you are refusing to accept the prize because it wasn't the jackpot!!! Is anyone familiar with the statement
"Something is better than nothing" There are 2 years left in this term to enact policies that will have an impact and could be your main issue. How can we expect anything good to come from
a Republican Congress?????? Where is the logic in this kind of thinking?

I think everyone needs to remember that Obama is not the enemy. He is not perfect, but he is not our enemy. Rooting for his failure and calling the administration equal to Republicans is plain
dumb.

[NJmaverick]

77. Sadly if you understand the fact that no one is perfect and you keep the good and bad in perspective

you are mocked for being "sensible", which apparently is a bad trait for some people.

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[Pisces]

84. More advice for you is to leave a democratic forum and stop campaigning against our democratic

President.

[Exilednight]

85. And here's some advice for you ..............

Stop playing rah rah cheerleader to Obama like the right did to Bush.

We're Democrats, not neo-cons, and I refuse to see my party turn into a left wing version of goose-stepping, no-brain, lack of critical thought repugs.

You can love or hate those that are critical of Obama, but don't trying to banish us just makes yourself look bad.

[Pisces]

88. Someone who is openly campaigning against our President shouln't be on this board. No one is rah rah

about everything that has happened in the last 2 years, but I'm not going to the other side to show the admin a lesson. You want another President, go elsewhere. This board supports the Democratic
President Obama.

[Exilednight]

89. What I really want is .............

for Obama to live up to his promises. He's failed us on HCR, Fin-Reg, Afghanistan and just about every other major campaign promise he seems to have made. The only one he has kept thus far is Iraq.

I want a Democrat as president, not just someone with a D in front of their name. And if that means that Obama gets challenged in a primary, so be it. If we're going to have bad policy passed as law, then we should at least be strong enough to make sure that it doesn't come from our side.

[Pisces]

91. I have attatched a screenshot from politifact and the link to the website

maybe, you are just ill informed but Obama has kept more than 1 promise, and compromised on a few. Please have your facts in order before complaining. A a primary challenger is just a
joke. No credible candidate will run against Obama.


Tracking Obama’s promises

121 Promise Kept
39 Compromise
22 Promise Broken
81 Stalled
240 In the Works
3 Not yet rated

http://www.politifact.com/

[Exilednight]

94. You took me out of context, what I said was ............

Obama failed to keep MAJOR campaign promises.

I don't find "Expand the Senior Corps volunteer program" to be one of his MAJOR campaign promises. It's nice, but it's not a huge sweeping change that is going to have a huge impact on a large majority of Americans. I see a need for it, but it's not our most pressing issue.

Closing gitmo is a more pressing issue for me than expanding the Senior Corps Volunteer program.

Most of his 100 plus promise kept are either minor issues, or fail in significant change because he compromised or failed to achieve another part of legislation.

Take HCR as an example. Yes, he managed to pass a bill that requires insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions, but it lacks in the fact that he failed to pass a public option to go along with it. No part of the HCR bill reigns in health-care costs. It's nice that if you have a pre-existing condition that no insurance company can turn you down, but it sucks if you can't afford to actually buy the insurance.

And here's one I totally dispute: No. 208: Improve relations with Turkey, and its relations with Iraqi Kurds. When he first took office he might of improved relations with Turkey, but this is an ongoing process. A story in the news last week showed the president as taking a tougher stand against Turkey due to the Israel flotilla.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-16/obama-warns-turkey-it-may-lose-arms-deals-over-israel-criticism-ft-says.html

So yes, I am going to keep being critical of this administration until the either deliver, or grow a backbone. I don't mind an administration that can't deliver because it can't get the passage of a bill, but I hate any Democratic administration that rolls over and doesn't even put up a fight and hangs its hat on legislation that is so watered down that it actually drowned the very plant it was meant to grow.

[LostinVA]

106. Posters campaigning for Crist and against Meek are allowed on DU

What is the difference? None. I 100% agree with teh Admins of DU that DUers shoudl PUBLICLY advocate for the DEMOCRATIC candidate. At all levels.

And, I wasn't aware President Obama was up for reelection in November. Are Presidents only serving tw0-year terms now?

[NJmaverick]

101. So you are claiming President McCain would have been better

that is a pretty far fetched and erroneousness claim

[Name removed]

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[NJmaverick]

109. You are badly mistaken, please reread the OP I am responding to

[Rosa Luxemburg]

56. we need to tell the voters the big difference between the GOP and Dems

people don't understand what the real policies are from each party

[MadHound]

71. Rather hard to discern that difference these days,

As Democratic policies come to resemble Republican policies more and more.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

97. actually

there is a huge difference except candidates and elected official choose not to adhere to democratic Party policy.

[S_E_Fudd]

72. Blame the Senate...and Obama...

Pelosi has done a very good job getting bills through the house, only to see Reid and the spineless dem caucus in the Senate water it down to appease Republicans...and Obama invariably goes along...

[NJmaverick]

78. Could the rules of the Senate veto share any of the blame?

As for Obama, how does he get blamed for bills failing to pass the Senate?:shrug:

[Steely_Dan]

80. As Wilford Brimley Once Said...

in "Absence of Malice"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV5JWOU7sqs&p=7402191E9EC8B2F9&playnext=1&index=2


Brimley:
"I'll tell you something, you're a smart fella."
"Don't get too smart."
"I'm pretty smart myself."

Newman:
"Everybody in the room is smart"

For the most part...everyone on this board is smart. This means that the Obama supporters are correct...we need to support our party regardless of our disappointment. The detractors, well they rightly express their outrage.

One thing that is true (at least to me) is that none of this fighting (ad nauseam) would be going on if the actions of this administration were not so contrary to the tenets of our party. The smart people who are the detractors would have little or no complaints if the Obama Administration had even given the slightest indication that they were going to fight for the people. The detractors would have no argument.

The President's actions have succeeded in dividing us.

Having said that...it does no good to allow the RW to take over.

For the detractors (and for the supporters I assume) there is little choice but to support Dems. It is just sad that one of the outcomes of this administration's actions is that we are at each other's throats...maybe we're not so smart after all.

-P

[LittleBlue]

82. Incorrect. Progressives represent far less than half of the voters

Obama won the last election with undecideds.

If he loses the undecided voters, we lose regardless of how many of us turn out.

[mitchtv]

87. Oh I'm voting alright

Calif has lots of good Dems to support, I will not vote for the Dem state senate candidate, however. He voted against marriage equality and lost my vote and anyone i can convince to write in our primaty choice. SORRY , vote against me, I vote againt you, That's how I roll

[RBInMaine]

96. Progressives staying home "in protest" = COMPLETELY STUPID !

[ClassWarrior]

113. But Progressives THREATENING to do so = TOTALLY SMART!!

:P

NGU.

[rucky]

112. DU has returned to its regularly scheduled programming, I see.

Message to both sides: find some new material, plz. You're not persuading anybody.

[DemocraticPilgrim]

114. One person said it best the right only won more elctions than us because they wanted it more and did

huge damage. We have to want it more than they do that easy that simple. The political pendulum swung vastly to the right when folks previous sent this message. We've got a long push back to the left.

[depakid]

115. That "perfect pony" slur has been a major reason why the Dems are in this situation

and posts like this one aren't going to do anything other than create more indignation.

If that was your intent, nicely done.