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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 05:05 PM
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Four point economic turnaround -- Why can't this be Democratic Platform NOW??
Four actions would turn around the Great Recession -- a Recession that has been described as unsolvable and intractable.

Please tell me why the Democratic Party and the Obama administration can't implement these actions this year.

1. Tax the rich.

2. Enact laws that discourage offshoring jobs and encourage returning jobs to the U.S. from overseas.

3. End corporate welfare

4. Immediately pass a significant stimulus to all adults except the rich. ($5000 to each adult making less than $100,000 annual income.)

Yes we can! Yes we can!
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 05:20 PM
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1. #'s 1-3 would require Democrats to offend their bosses
..and they're not willing to do that.

The GOP is willing to directly offend us, however -- the Dems pretend not to, and therein lies the "difference" between the parties...
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 05:33 PM
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2. I do not accept this kind of handwringing and pussyfooting..
...that you describe.

No action is an action of itself. If Democratic leadership is too weak to act, and we the people are too weak to DEMAND that they act, then we apparently like the unemployment rate and the hungry children and the people who are dying and suffering and bidding their dreams goodbye. Bye bye! Bye bye career! Bye bye home! Bye bye self-esteem! Bye bye health!

Do we care enough to DEMAND action?? Well??
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 10:58 PM
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7. well, I think you asked why this wasn't the *Democratic* platform now
On the other hand, it will be "interesting" to see what gets people finally away from their big-screens and out into the proverbial streets, demanding some kind of change.

And not the Tea Bagging kind...
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 05:39 PM
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3. come on America! Stand up for something!
Nothing is preventing us from turning this sucker around but fear of the boogeyman on the right!

All we need is a dose of the Can Do American attitude.

Do it! Cheerlead for these four actions!

Are we gonna let Mitch McConnell steal food from the mouths of our children? Are we gonna let Boehner drive Americans through another wilderness of want?? Those ugly mugs on the right -- Ingraham and Coulter and Beck and O'Reilly etc. etc. etc. -- Are we gonna let them hold us down??

Americans want to work. They want to provide. They want to be proud.

Turn this around! Four acts will do it.

Grab the Big Mo! Yes we can!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 05:43 PM
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4. Political will.
I will.

I will not shut up.

I will question.

I will argue.

I will not accept the boot on my neck.

I will not accept defeat for members of my family who are out of work.

I will resist.

WHY not?
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Loricat33 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 07:11 PM
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5. It is so simple
Send this message to "move-on and other activist groups.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 07:59 PM
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6. Yes we can! Fired up!!!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 09:34 PM
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8. thank you for being the only DU-er fired up about this
It's pretty devastating to have so little enthusiasm on DU for stopping the next Great Depression.

Thanks.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:46 AM
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9. I think a direct stimulus to the people is a grand idea.
Could really kick-start the economy. Tax the idle rich, if they won't spend the money, give it to people who will -- the rest of us!

Repeat until unemployment is back under 5% from all the new spending.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:15 PM
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11. I wouldn't spend the money
it would go either to pay off debt or into my presently depleted emergency fund. I think many American's would do the same so I doubt it will kick-start anything.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:05 PM
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10. Number 4 would go straight to the banks
as people pay off their debt or restock their savings accounts. It won't help the economy if excessive personal debt is a big drag on consumer spending.
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seattleblue Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:18 PM
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12. #2 is fine but no one has yet been able to come up with specific legislation to do that.
What exactly would the law say?
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bigbaddan Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:44 PM
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13. I agree "tax the rich" but there is not enough of them to make a difference.
Most of the money has to be gotten from the middle.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 06:08 AM
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14. Perhaps "not enough" but we have way more rich than Europe or Canada given our horrible inequitable
distribution of incomes compared to them. Our income distribution is way more skewed to more rich and more poor rather than the more equitable distributions you see in Europe and Canada.

While an effective social safety net and other progressive improvements here may indeed require more than just progressive taxation of the rich (Europe has the VAT which is hardly a progressive tax), it is only fair that any progress here towards a more progressive society needs to include higher taxes on the rich (as occurs in Europe and Canada).
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 06:41 AM
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15. 20%
of our population holds 85% of our wealth and 61% of all income. Definitely not a balanced or just system.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

Of course the whole thing is exacerbated by way too many corrupt politicians. We need reform and to vote the Wall Street lackeys out. The poor and middle class definitely have the numbers to vote them out if they even loosely align.

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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 07:02 AM
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16. Well, for one thing, this would not end the great recession.
The problem is debt. The recession will be with us as long as we maintain so much debt. But I will deal with the suggestions point by point.

1. Taxing the rich sounds great. I am for raising the top tax rate to 40%, President Obama's chosen figure. But there's something else about taxation and the rich which is more important: the 15% tax rate on dividends absolutely has to end. This low tax rate on dividends encourages investment in corporations; in fact, you'll pay MUCH higher taxes by investing in small businesses (and being successful) than by investing in corporations. This low dividend rate encourages all investors to invest in corporations as opposed to any other kind of investment; that has to end immediately. Aside from the fact that this alone makes the top earners pay less in taxes, the low dividend tax rate has artificially boosted corporations to the point that there's literally a corporate stranglehold on the economy. FAR more important, I think, than raising that top rate is eliminating this George W. Bush imposed low dividend tax rate.

2. Totally with you here. Specifics, however, are necessary. I'd start with the Wal-Mart purchasing power; yes, the largest retailer in the world has every right to try to negotiate lower prices, but what Wal-Mart and now many other retailers do is set prices for manufacturers which then force the manufacturers to go outside the country in order to meet those prices and stay afloat. The list of outsourced jobs because of Wal-Mart alone is staggering. So a limit on the power of purchasing, or rather the extent to which a purchasing agent can coerce producers to meet their price demands, is worthy of consideration. I'm ready as anyone to get behind laws that will slow the off-shoring and encouraging American jobs, but I need specifics. One more idea is to simply offer lower tax rates to all-American corporations as opposed to international corporations.

3. Yup. Every so often the right-wing trots out its "fair tax" plan again and tries to argue for a "flat tax" (knowing full well it would increase the taxes on the poor). The next time you hear it, suggest a corporate flat tax. All-American corporations pay 14% (unless their income is less than say $50K); international corporations pay 18%. This law supersedes all existing corporate tax law, meaning companies with sweet government tax deals from decades ago and companies that moved their official mailing address to the Cayman Islands now all have to pay 18%. That tax rate is fairly low compared to what responsible corporations pay now, so a great chunk of the business community would actually get behind such a law. And the government would actually see a little bit more income from corporate sources than it currently receives. The four percent advantage for all-American corporations might encourage some out-sourced jobs to return, and if we can stimulate jobs, Uncle Sam will also see more revenue from the taxes these working people will pay.

4. Um, no. At most, a thousand bucks a person (man, woman, or child) as long as that person either pays taxes or counts as a deduction. So a family of five receives five grand, but a single individual gets $1000. But how much money is that? We're a nation of 300 million plus; that's $300 billion. And not one job gets created directly by those funds. However, for every billion dollars government spends in infrastructure, it creates 55,000 jobs. Multiply that by just 100, 1/3 the cost of this simple giveaway, and you've generated over five million jobs. And that $100 billion goes back into the economy, which creates more jobs based on the demands of the five million newly employed. Everyone who makes money in the process pays taxes, so the ultimate long term cost to government is reduced, in fact eliminated (every dollar spent on infrastructure returns over a dollar to the government). And when that pump-priming goes its course, we still have the bridges, highways, electrical grids and sewer lines installed to encourage growth. Look at it this way: suppose you are interested in someone's long-term well-being. Is it better to give them money or invest on their behalf? Infrastructure spending is investment which pays off almost immediately in the jobs created and continues to pay off by facilitating commerce through restoring or improving or creating new roads, bridges, waterways and so forth.

Si se puedo! Si se puedo! But let's do the right things.
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