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bigdarryl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 08:42 AM Original message |
PPP polling: Obama has plenty of problems but his base isn't one of them |
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Lost4words (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. only a fool would say that! nt |
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bigdarryl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Big Ed and Cenk have been saying it |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
3. Obama's numbers aren't vastly different from other presidents at similar points in their presidency |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Yes, it is independents that make his poll #'s fluctuate. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. Obama's numbers are far better than Ray-guns', but the M$M will have |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
4. That depends on how you define "base". n/t |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I think the pollster is defining "base" as Democratic voters of which |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. The 81% of democrats who support him... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
39. So the non-centerist are not part of the Democratic base? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. They may well be the 5% drop from his 86% support he previously had... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I supported Obama through the primary, and in the General, but ............. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. If you note, I referred to those who were critical from day one of his inauguration... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
7. Yup, the losing will be in his coat tails |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
8. One body, one vote--but is everyone equal in a reelection effort? |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I keep hearing that... |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
54. That's the thing most polls won't or can't show |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. The "fringe" are the movers and shakers? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. As I said, food for thought. Its just an idea Im advancing |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. the educated rarley sit out elections |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
51. Who said anything about anyone's "value"? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Excellent post and absolutely right re the fringe! |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Then why do people fret so much about what they do with their votes and time? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Hmmm, so your post is saying the leftist activists are the 'fringe'? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I originally put "fringe" in quotes, not leftist activists |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Well, using the phrase "their alternatives to voting Democratic?" seems... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Noting the existence of alternatives is not advocating them |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. LOL, your backtracking has been quite humorous.... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Again, noting alternatives is not the same as "offering" & "advocating" them |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Some sage advice; when in a hole, quit digging... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. We both know, there are couches to sit on and more than two people on the ballot |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. What hole? I think it is a valid concern. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Like when "centrists" advocated support for Joe Lieberman. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I'm more worried about activist boots on the ground than votes. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. And *that* is the counter-argument of "driving to the center" |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. I wouldn't worry too much.... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. If correct, then no fuss, no muss. Why even have this thread? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I hope I am too, the stats certainly lean that way so all is good! n/t |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Though the stats may provide insufficient evidence to draw a conclusion |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Orgone- I worked as a fundraiser for the DNC and I worked for the GA DEMS. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. "I've never met a conservative DEMS activist except maybe on DU" |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I'm leaning towards your argument. Thanks. n/t |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. that is if you believe the fringe are the ones who drive the organization |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. So leftists activists have no enahnced value in the Democratic Party? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
10. Of course most of us knew that already.. |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
20. Obama has ONE problem: the unemployment statistic which he said would take YEARS to fix. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
21. So if we lose the midterms, then "centrists" can just blame other "centrists." |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Liberals support the President |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. True- so if we lose the midterms, you can blame the centrist voters... |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
46. Obama's Got 99 Problems But His Base Aint One. Hit Me! |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
47. ...AND THAT IS WHY the Obama Admin DOES NOT RESPECT it's base.... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. When abstaining and waiting for your vote to be "earned" is not the default position... |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
50. That poll dates back to MARCH |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
52. Cool...no worries then. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
53. you have to take into account also |
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