Breitbart is getting his wish! The President and his admin blamed for something negative....

[FrenchieCat]

He didn't care for what.

We are now debating whether Vilsak should be Fired,
and the news is considering this a lead story,
not the story about how good it is that Dems finally passed Unemployment Compensation!

Mission accomplished for Breitbart and the Fox News Team and their many enablers!! :applause:

[IndianaGreen]

1. You missed the part about the injustice done to Ms Sharrod by Mr. Vilsack

and that she needs to be made whole.

[FrenchieCat]

2. The NAACP is unjust!

But she should get her job back....
but that has little to do with helping Breitbart accomplish his goal.

[IndianaGreen]

12. NAACP never demanded Sharrod's firing

Considering how Vilsack has refused to even hear the NAACP petition to assist African-American farmers, his use of NAACP as a fig leave shows him to be the same POS he was while Iowa governor.

[FrenchieCat]

16. Letter from the NAACP, laying the blame on those who deserve it!

NAACP Statement on the Resignation of Shirley SherrodJuly 20, 2010

(BALTIMORE, MD) - NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous issued the following statement today after a careful investigation into the presentation of former USDA Official Shirley Sherrod.

"The NAACP has a zero tolerance policy against racial discrimination, whether practiced by blacks, whites, or any other group.

The NAACP also has long championed and embraced transformation by people who have moved beyond racial bias. Most notably, we have done so for late Alabama Governor George Wallace and late US Senator Robert Byrd -- each a man who had associated with and supported white supremacists and their cause before embracing civil rights for all.

With regard to the initial media coverage of the resignation of USDA Official Shirley Sherrod, we have come to the conclusion we were snookered by Fox News and Tea Party Activist Andrew Breitbart into believing she had harmed white farmers because of racial bias.

Having reviewed the full tape, spoken to Ms. Sherrod, and most importantly heard the testimony of the white farmers mentioned in this story, we now believe the organization that edited the documents did so with the intention of deceiving millions of Americans.

The fact is Ms. Sherrod did help the white farmers mentioned in her speech. They personally credit her with helping to save their family farm.

Moreover, this incident and the lesson it prompted occurred more that 20 years before she went to work for USDA.

Finally, she was sharing this account as part of a story of transformation and redemption. In the full video, Ms.Sherrod says she realized that the dislocation of farmers is about “haves and have nots.” "It’s not just about black people, it’s about poor people," says Sherrod in the speech. “We have to get to the point where race exists but it doesn’t matter.”

This is a teachable moment, for activists and for journalists.

Most Americans agree that racism has no place in American Society. We also believe that civil and human rights have to be measured by a single yardstick.

The NAACP has demonstrated its commitment to live by that standard.

The Tea Party Federation took a step in that direction when it expelled the Tea Party Express over the weekend. Unfortunately, we have yet to hear from other leaders in the Tea Party movement like Dick Armey and Sarah Palin, who have been virtually silent on the “internal bigotry” issue.

Next time we are confronted by a racial controversy broken by Fox News or their allies in the Tea Party like Mr. Breitbart, we will consider the source and be more deliberate in responding. The tape of Ms. Sherrod’s speech at an NAACP banquet was deliberately edited to create a false impression of racial bias, and to create a controversy where none existed. This just shows the lengths to which extremist elements will go to discredit legitimate opposition.

According to the USDA, Sherrod’s statements prompted her dismissal. While we understand why Secretary Vilsack believes this false controversy will impede her ability to function in the role, we urge him to reconsider.

Finally, we hope this incident will heighten Congress’s urgency in dealing with the well documented findings of discrimination toward black, Latino, Asian American and Native American farmers, as well as female farmers of all races."

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http://www.naacp.org/press/entry/naacp-statement-on-the-resignation-of-shirley-sherrod1/

[IndianaGreen]

21. How come Vilsack refused to reverse his decision when confronted by ABC News?

Jake Tapper had a copy of the NAACP letter, yet Vilsack repeated his original statement.

I don't want someone like that in the Administration, Obama's or anyone else's.

[Oregone]

11. Neener, neener, neener! Im not listening to you enablers!

[JustAnotherGen]

3. And you also missed the fact

That women are on the verge of getting equal pay for a hard days work. Historic Legislation.

But I agree with you! ;-)

[vi5]

4. Exactly. People talking about this....

are giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

People need to watch what they say. We need to immediately forget about and stop talking about Sherrod. It sucks that she lost her job, but we can't let that get in the way of the bigger picture.

[Forkboy]

5. Who says satire is dead?

[Zenlitened]

60. I dunno about satire, but my heart skipped a few beats...

... reading that. Was it an excerpt from 1984?

:wow:

Edited to add: Whew! Reading the excellent post #7 by the same author, I see that it was indeed satire. :)

[FrenchieCat]

6. No. Doh!

Discussing the firing of one to replace the other....
and panning the NAACP and calling Dems wimps and cowards....
while Breitbart gets to leave the building unscathed.....

Now That's much more fucking important!

[vi5]

7. Because it's a given that Brietbart is a cowardly asshole....

.....there's nothing we can do about that. He only has as much power as he is given.

And the fact that every time he posts one of these fucking videos, cowardly democrats (yes I include the admin in this) jump and try to show just how not liberal or not racist by firing someone or passing some resolution cutting funding or whatever gives him all of that power. We can't do anything about the stupidity of "their side". It's not our job. It's our job to make sure "our side" always stands for justice and right and things like facts.

But since the White House seems more concerned with appeasing right wing critics than it does appeasing even the most moderately of liberal ones, I'm sorry but that is a big fucking deal and it is a big story. You can disagree and that's fine. But the story (just like with Acorn) is just as much about how the Democrats keep getting suckered by this guy and keep reacting the way they do as much as it is about how big a shady asshole he is. In fact that is not a story at all. That's a basic fact and is far from newsworthy.

[FrenchieCat]

8. So cowardly assholes get away scott free?

after they get us where we want us.

I know! It's all Obama fault!

[vi5]

17. You are talking about what "the story is"...

..and what people are talking about.

People talk about what is news and what is a bigger picture story. Brietbart being an asshole is not news. Yes, he should be punished by not being given any power. By obsolesence. By not having people care about or react to his videos. That is exactly right and exactly what his punishment should be.

But the fact that EVERY FUCKING TIME he does this the Democrats and the White House react and turn on their own proves he is not being punished and they have no intention of punishing him.

So if they won't do it....if they refuse to do it...and they have that power and we don't...what does that say?

[BrklynLiberal]

22. It does not mean that WE also have to sit here and take that crap....

We can do everything we can to make sure that those in power know how we feel, and try to get the media to get the true story out there. Otherwise Breitbart and all those RWingnut assholes accomplish exactly what they wanted.

I am sick of the repukes framing the issues and the debates. It is time that the Democrats stood up and took control of this.

The Dems don't even wait for the bully to punch them before handing over their lunch money. They just drop the money in the repukes pocket before they are even asked for it!!!

[Oregone]

28. "I am sick of the repukes framing the issues and the debates. It is time that the Democrats stood up

Last time they tried to frame a debate, the US ended up with mandated private, for-profit insurance. Careful what you wish for.

[vi5]

37. That's what I'm saying.....

...but to read certain people on here, we're not supposed to get upset with Dems (Obama in particular) about anything, at any point, at all. We're supposed to just be o.k. with them cowtowing to the right, and never standing up aggresively for what's right.

[frylock]

23. dems wouldn't be called wimps and cowards..

if they stopped acting like wimps and cowards.

[BrklynLiberal]

26. doh!

[Bitwit1234]

9. Well I sent the email doubt if it will be read

but I said this I was tired of republicans running the white house. I stated the fact that this Ahole edited the tape about ACORN and got it closed down and now he was doing this. I told them I was disgusted with Democrats. And if they didn't straighten up I was going to dump them all and not vote for them anymore.

[Oregone]

10. "and their many enablers"

And Id assume you applying that label to people here upset at the Obama administration, and lumping them in with Breitbart and Fox at the same time?

Right? If thats not your intention, carry on then.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Nope. Those who are piling on for "other" reasons

get to stand in a separate line waiting to put their foot up the Presiden't ass!

He really should get two assholes....

One for the justified "everything is wrong" non-supporters
and one for the unjustified "everything is wrong" Non-supporters.

Guess the media and voters will sort it all out later. :eyes:

[Oregone]

15. Oh..."other" reasons

Im glad *you* get to decide who is upset in "good faith"

[FrenchieCat]

18. Well, if you think all "upset" is justified, suit yourself.....

the only thing I get to decide is whom to vote for, nothing more.

[Oregone]

24. No more than I think all "defense" is justified

That said, this is an important story, and its comical you are ALREADY trying to stave off criticism of this administration

I mean really...can't ya give it a day or two before you start carrying the water?

[FrenchieCat]

31. What's comical is that you post here and have such strong opinion...

yet you have nothing at stake, cause you don't even fucking live here....
so you do a lot of talking and get to suffer none of the consequences.

[Oregone]

34. Yeah, how about that...

Im not emotionally involved and blinded by feelings I have towards certain leaders. Imagine a scientist conducting experiments with this sort of mindset.


Oh.


The horror

[FrenchieCat]

38. Right...you're not emotionally involved, although politics affects

those who reside here in every realm of their lives; their health, their way of life, the lives of their loved ones, their pocketbook, their dreams and their desires.

Yes, you're not emotionally involved, or in real terms,
you don't really give a fuck who fails, cause you ain't paying for it.
That's why you have such strong opinions.....
about how we get to live.

[Oregone]

40. Exactly, and you are

Who do you trust to review a book? Someone in love with the author, or a critic who is ambivalent? Who do you trust to conduct an FDA trial experiment? A scientist whose father is a shareholder of Merck, or a university professor? The list goes on, and on....

[FrenchieCat]

44. We ain't talking about reviewing a damn book. Doh!

[IndianaGreen]

47. Yep, Canadians have Single Payer, and we don't

We are the ones that got the shaft!

Now, back to the Vilsack is a POS story...

[FrenchieCat]

48. And they didn't get it in one fell swoop.....

but you know that too.

[Oregone]

50. And they didn't get that way mandating private, for-profit insurance

The original ER model implemented in Sask was always a scalable socialized model for the people, that could be naturally "fixed later".

[FrenchieCat]

52. It's been 3 months since Health Care passed.

I know you thought nothing was better than what was passed,
cause you live in Canada, and you are not emotionally
or physically involved! I know!

[Oregone]

53. Yes, just give the for-profit, private model time to scale up and be fixed

:rofl:

"I know you thought nothing was better than what was passed,
cause you live in Canada, and you are not emotionally "

Oh, now if thats not an example of a circumstantial ad hominem, I don't know what is!

Maybe I didn't like it on its own merits, and I was not desperate enough to accept experimenting with a piece of shit

On edit: BTW, Ive explained in detail the problems with it. Another problem you display here is that if you always think people have ulterior motives for not wanting something, you will instantly reject the validity of the arguments. This isn't an incredibly intellectually enriching characteristic. Its never too difficult to craft an imaginary ulterior motive, and much easier than actually reading and debating at times.

[Forkboy]

39. I think after we've been at war with two countries that non-Americans have plenty at stake.

How many of our decisions affect the whole world? You might want to ask some of those innocent blown up families in Afghanistan if they feel they have anything at stake in regards to how America is lead.

Do you care about Rwanda? What do you have at stake there when you don't even live there? I suspect and hope that there are issues which are important to us as human beings first, no?

[FrenchieCat]

43. Oregone ain't from Afghanistan.

And every issue is important to him,
or so it seems, any that can be seen as
bad news for the WH!

[Oregone]

45. No, Im from Oregon

My family and friends still reside there


But apparently I don't give a fuck about anyone in America and just want it to fail


Aren't you quite the "framer"

[Forkboy]

49. Great, now will you address my point?

Or should I expect another lame ass dodge like this one?

[IndianaGreen]

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[jobycom]

14. Oh, heavens, someone said something negative about poor helpless Obama!

Good God, people, don't you understand that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Obama to make a mistake??? Leave Obama alone!!!!! Leave him aloonnnneeee!!!!!

[FrenchieCat]

20. So it is Obama's fault!

Just as I suspected!

[Oregone]

25. The buck stops some other fuckn place, always

[FrenchieCat]

29. The fucking buck is becoming a cliche!

Everything that happens that ain't just right in government gives you something to wail
against this president about! That's the only reason you keep saying "the buck stops here"....
but when it comes to the good stuff done by this Adminstration, you ain't no where to be found!
That's when you turn to Canadian news, or whatever news they have where you live.

[Oregone]

32. Here is your problem...

"Everything that happens that ain't just right in government gives you something to wail against this president about"

I haven't even mentioned "Obama" in the same context as this issue (though I have expressed disapproval for Vilsack for canning her so quickly).

I haven't even had a chance to wail against the president specifically.

Why?

You are being reactionary in defense of the president. You've cut me off before I can get there!

Thats your problem. You sit here talking about people criticizing in bad faith, but you are conducting a defense along the same manner, perhaps not even critically analyzing the issue before you formulate the defense.

That gets no one anywhere, including yourself. It undermines your credibility, and makes people react with sarcasm and humor to OPs such as this one.

[IndianaGreen]

33. May I point out that one of the most beloved posters in DU is a Canadian

By insulting this Canadian, you are insulting her, and you are insulting me, and you are insulting all the DUers!

[FrenchieCat]

46. Ask me if I give a shit?

[Forkboy]

51. We don't need you to answer that. It's been made clear already.

[jobycom]

27. I thought that was your ppoint.

My point is that a wrong was done here and we need to right it instead of worrying about who looks bad or who looks good. Obama is supporting Vilsak, so I thought you were claiming we couldn't talk about the mistake because it would make Obama look bad and give Breitbart his scandal. If that's not what you were saying, I'm not sure what you were saying.

[FrenchieCat]

30. I am saying that there a many who are doing exactly what Breitbart wished....

meaning they fell for Breitbart's trap again.....
just as much as those they are pointing their fingers at.

[IndianaGreen]

35. Tom Vilsack is the only idiot to believe in Breibart

and he is the double idiot for still believing in Breibart!

[FrenchieCat]

42. And what are you for doing Breithart's bidding?

He loves the fact that you are calling the administration
all kinds of names and concentrating your time on blaming them.
If he was in the room with you,
Breithard would give you a big fat wet kiss.

[IndianaGreen]

54. You must be speaking of someone else, an imaginary opponent perhaps

Since the only name I have mentioned is that of Vilsack, who still refuses to undo the great injustice he did to Shirley Sherrod.

[jobycom]

36. Obama and the NAACP fell for his trap.

I guess if someone is saying "I fell for that trap and that's forgivable but Obama fell for it therefore we should rip his toenails out before impeaching him," I would see that as hypocritical.

If people are saying "This was wrong and this person needs her job back," I'm behind them, even if that position makes Breitbart look good for a minute or two and might rub off negatively on Obama a little. Give her the job back, apologize, and then let's go after the bastard who committed fraud and slander.

If someone is saying (as I thought you were) that it's wrong to be outraged and try to get Sherrod her job back because Obama can't handle being criticized, I'm lumping them in with the first group of hypocrites. I guess you're saying that's not what you're saying. Glad to hear it.

[FrenchieCat]

41. I'm saying this woman needs her job back......

but I'm not here to berate and castrate this administration for it.....
They made a mistake.
Breighart intentionally misrespresented facts, and Fox went flying with it.
But here, we seem to always be outraged at the same folks; the ones that can
best help us...while we ignore the ones who are the real cause.

[jobycom]

57. Well, Breitbart isn't going to give her her job back.

So the only one we can complain to is Obama. And his administration made a mistake, and also released a statement saying they stand behind Vilsak's decision. So the only way she is getting her job back is if we express disapproval of that stance.

That's back to my original complaint. There is nothing wrong with telling Obama that we don't like something he did. That's how you get him to do the right thing. If you go to a restaurant and they serve you lousy grits, you tell them "Hey, you're grits aren't cooked properly." Then they can serve you better grits next time, and you'll keep coming back and paying them. If you just say "I don't like these grits, but I'm not going to tell anyone, and I'm going to badger everyone else into not telling anyone, and maybe nobody will notice and everyone will keep coming back and ordering the grits because they feel loyal to the restaurant even though they don't like the food," then the restaurant will never know what you want, and it will have no incentive to change its grits. So you tell Obama "Hey, I voted for you. Now I'm not really liking the way you handled this Sherrod business, you know?" And then he can respond. If you don't say anything, then the people who don't like it but who don't have any reason to be loyal to the party aren't going to just not notice. They are going to say "Wow, this man never admits his mistakes and never tries to improve when he makes them," and they are going to vote for someone else next time.

So I can see people pointing out to Obama that he needs to boil his grits a little longer. That's how you get him to cook grits the right way. Yeah, okay, Breitbart gave him the bad instructions for grits in the first place, and we should all remember not to trust Breitbart next time. But Breitbart isn't going to fix the problem. Obama might, if he gets the message. He won't get it if we are all too afraid to say anything to him.

There are some people here who claim to support Obama, who claim he's a chessmaster and all that, but they have the lowest opinion of him possible. They don't think he can handle his job. They don't think he can handle criticism. When his grits aren't cooked all the way, they say "It's okay, we'll eat the grits hard, because we really can't expect him to cook grits right anyway. I mean, he measured them out and got the water to boil and all that. So look at what all he did, and just ignore that he's not cooking them right." That's not helping Obama, and frankly, it's just creepy.

I'm not an Obama supporter. I'm not even really a Democrat. I have strong ideals that I've always believed in, and it has so far in my lifetime always happened that the Democrats are the ones who come closest to those ideals. So I vote Democrat. I don't vote Green--never threatened to--and I don't stay home. I'll vote for Obama next time, too, if he's got the best chance of beating the Republicans. I'll be proud to do it. But I'm not going to be quiet when he's doing something that is against the ideals I believe in. The ideals come first, before party, before candidate. That's why I vote Democrat. It isn't about donkeys, it's about the ideals. Obama does okay, but he's not perfect, so I'm going to express my opinion when he's not perfect. And if I feel strongly, I'm going to grumble and let him know what I want. If I don't get it, I'm still going to vote for him. I'll still defend him to any Republican who wants to fight. But I'm not going to be quiet about it. He can handle that. He's all grown up now. He won the presidency, did you know that? He doesn't need my coddling. He needs my honest opinion. I criticized Clinton when he was president, and if you've ever noticed, I'm one of Clinton's strongest backers on this site (and off). Best damn president this nation has had since FDR. But he still did things I didn't like, and I complained when he did them. I'm not treating Obama any differently. And I can't think of a single reason I should.

[rufus dog]

55. so here is the solution

Get her rehired and pull Rush from Armed forces radio

State there is no excuse for lying and it will not be tolerated.

[FrenchieCat]

56. I agree!

Shit needs to change in how the RW manipulates News and such!

and yes, this woman apparently didn't do anything wrong.

[Scurrilous]

58. Yep.

:thumbsup:

[vaberella]

59. Who cares about that...DU says Obama is a fuck up. I think I need a break from this site again. n/t

[niceypoo]

61. Oh the drama