Yes, I am an Obama apologist, but the man is getting things done

[Hawaii Hiker]

Yes, i wanted to see a public option in HCR, would like to see more judicial nominations & confirmations (at Court of Appeals & Federal Court levels), i wish NO bailout money went to executive bonues, the same assholes who caused the financial mess in the first place, etc...But considering he's dealing with the most obstructive congress in history, President Obama has accomplished alot...

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/07/15/bank_reform_heads_to_vote.html

"You can argue over whether Obama's achievements are good or bad on the merits. But especially after Thursday's vote you can't argue that Obama is not getting things done. To the contrary, he has, as promised, covered the uninsured, tightened regulations, started to wind down the war in Iraq and shifted focus and resources to Afghanistan, injected more competition into the education system and edged closer to a big energy bill."

[griffi94]

1. he's getting things done alright

he not only got a healthcorp exec put in charge of implementing the hcr bill, but
he got democrats to cheer about it.
HOORAY.

i have to go sit on the couch and scratch my nuts now.
have a good day.

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[TBF]

3. He sure is getting things done -

he's been absolutely brilliant at privatization. Let's think about who that benefits...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Sorry, but you said something positive about Obama. That's not permitted on DU.

:eyes:

[Hawaii Hiker]

20. I'm seeing that....Perhaps some people want a Republican alternative

all likely GOP 2012 contenders will be to the right of Ronald Reagan, and more insane than he ever was...

BTW, Obama gave us Sotomayor and Kagan (assuming she's confirmed)....Who would McCain have nominated?...

Even a so-so Democratic president is better than ANY. Repub...

[Spazito]

25. I think some are under the delusion that if they can demoralize Dem supporters....

with the "both parties are the same", Obama is Bush type of posts, Dems will turn to a third party. They are fooling themselves, the third party will never be anything more than fringe. If they do a good enough job demoralizing Dem supporters (I don't think they will be successful) all they will accomplish is putting the repubs back in power.

[impik]

5. I am not an "apologist". He is a great president. Hopefully, he'll go home in 2012

This country does not deserve him.

[griffi94]

8. i agree with you

that the country does not deserve him.

[LostinVA]

12. lol

[impik]

13. You're funny.

Nothing more, but that's something too. Goodbye.

[bigwillq]

42. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

:rofl:

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[bigwillq]

41. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

:rofl:

[jberryhill]

46. Why would he do that? His present term doesn't end until 2013?

[bigwillq]

47. He wouldn't.

It's funny that that poster says the country doesn't deserve him because the majority of the country elected him so, YES, we did get what we deserved!!! :rofl:

[zipplewrath]

6. Some of those things are what we object to

You do realize that some of the things he is "getting done" are what many of us object to.

Like the escalation in Afghanistan.
Like mandates and Cadillac taxes.
Like the "race to the top"
Like protecting the torturers.
Like classifying the torture photos.
Like making Gitmo permanent in Illinois.

[impik]

11. Who is we?

[zipplewrath]

15. His audience

The people that Hawaii Hiker claims to be apologizing to.

[LiberalEsto]

17. +10

[Stoic]

7. Yes, but for whom? n/t

[KeyWester]

14. another thread filled with...

people that don't understand how congress works.

It's called congress, all bills must go through congress. Obama is not a king.

[zipplewrath]

16. So Congress escalated the war in Afghanistan?

I'm long past accepting the assertion that Obama is powerless before congress and not getting the bills he wants. Congress is pushing him on DADT, he is resisting. Obama asked for the torture photos to be classified. Congress is generally following Obama's lead. Heck, Reid is ASKING for MORE leadership.

[JoePhilly]

19. More whining ...

Obama said he'd increase troops in Afghanistan as a candidate ... we're surprised he did it??

On DADT ... that policy would be off the radar if not for Obama ... and the executive order path ensures that congress do nothing. With what Obama is doing, that policy will END next year in a way in which it can't be reversed by the next GOP President. Remember Bush's ending funding for new stem cell lines?? He did that with an executive order ... and Obama reversed it in a matter of days from taking office. Same would happen to DADT.

[zipplewrath]

22. You're avoiding the point

Key Wester was suggesting that somehow Obama is getting blamed for the actions of congress. Congress is not responsible for much of what Obama is "getting done" that people object to. Obama is actually PUSHED by congress to the left, not the other way around.

[dflprincess]

33. Obama also said he opposed insurance mandates when he was a candidate

He didn't stick to that. If he were going to go back on something he said during the campaign, I would have preferred it be his promise to escalate the war.

BTW President Obama has sent a lot more troops to Afghanistan than Candidate Obama said he would.

[Ignis]

38. Discussions of the space between Candidate Obama and President Obama are BAD!

Talk like that would get Jon Stewart banned.

[Steely_Dan]

23. It's Called Leadership n/t

[Moochy]

24. And you've added so much with your excuse

people r stupid, its not Obama's fault, Congress is making him make bad choices!!!111

[Stoic]

27. And FDR got push back from Congress

and twisted arms and bullied conservative hold outs to get the legislation passed. We need LEADERSHIP not passive hand-wringing.

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[JamesA1102]

21. Well said nt

[phleshdef]

26. DUers don't want incremental results. They want progressive utopia or nothing at all.

At least when there is nothing at all, they don't look like complete idiots when they have childish meltdowns over the slightest thing.

[Stoic]

29. Nothing like a false argument and name calling.

We're Utopians now and every knows those people are crazy.

No, I want to see the Democratic leadership AND President Obama fighting for the things I voted him into office to do. I'd rather see him fight and lose than compromise and lose. Little baby steps will get him thrown out of office.

There's a fallacy that Reformers never win. Reformers DO often win but you have to keep on the struggle and never let up.

Obama is trying to finesse the system and the system know how to defeat people like him.

[phleshdef]

30. You don't even know what you mean by "fight".

And you, like all the others that blabber on with this type of rhetoric will cite FDR and all these other great Democratic Presidents and completely ignore the fact that they all had huge majorities in the Senate that were willing to pass legislations that were very progressive for the times. You will also ignore all the compromises and false starts those same Presidents went through in between the great victories. And then you will ignore all the very progressive measures that actually HAVE gotten pushed through by this administration.

And after all is said and done, you, like all the other more progressive than thou snobs will stick your nose up at all the fighting this President actually HAS done and yet be completely unable to articulate a path to the things you actually want to see get done when considering the current senate and American political climate that this President has to work with.

Its all the same bullshit that gets vomited all over DU time and time again.

[ibegurpard]

43. I wouldn't mind incremental results in the right direction

[Hell Hath No Fury]

28. He sure is getting things done!

I agree with that statemenet 100%.

What I do not agree with is the results and directions of what he has 'accomplished".

Much of it is damaging, much of it is immoral, and much of it will lead to the further destruction of the Democratic Party as I knew it.

[Greyhound]

31. The problem is the utter lack of change.

"getting things done" that continue or worsen the way things are isn't really anything to crow about.

And in order to get change, you have to fight for change, not start out saying "change will not be allowed into the discussion".

[kjackson227]

32. Too bad that a pro-Obama post always seems to bring out the...

worst of DU. Yes, Obama is getting things done, and he's what progress is all about.

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[Hawaii Hiker]

35. In 04, I was a Dean supporter

I freaking love Howard Dean, and in a perfect world, he'd be president...But I'm quite content with Obama...

People need to realize that this is not your fathers Republican party anymore, they've gone soooo far right, keeping them from power should be every Democrats goal...They are dangerous, despicable, & desperate...

[mkultra]

36. Exactly! in addition, i would say that..

before Obama, my favorites in order where

Dean
Edwards
Kucinich
Sharpton.

In the recent election, i only saw Hillary and Edwards as viable candidates until Obama stepped on the stage. He became my new favorite simple because of his electability. I may not like some of the things he does, but overall he is a damn good president. Better than Clinton and far better than ANY republican. For that alone, he has my support.

[Hawaii Hiker]

39. I voted for Obama in the primary, but

would have certainly voted for Clinton had she been McCain's opponnet...

I totally agree w/your last post, you earn a woo-hoo, :woohoo:

[TheKentuckian]

45. If they are so bad then their policies, ideas (such as they are), and principles should be

repudiated and tossed into history's waste basket rather than assimilated, modified slightly, and put into effect.

I realize EXACTLY how gawtawful and repulsive the Republicans are (nor have I lost track of how much I disagree with our father's Republicans either) and that is why it is most important to me to destroy what they stand for. That's why they must never be given an ounce of validity and why a fair number of them should be under a maximum security federal prison.

You can't ring the Republican alarm only to emulate them, give their demonstrably false philosophies credence, surrender ground without turnabout, or adopt their stances and practices.

You don't beat em by joining em. A more inclusive and generally sane Republican rule is not a goal or even an acceptable rest stop for me.

[depakid]

37. Ineffective half measures and corrupted policies don't equal "getting things done"

which is why Democrats are staring down another 1994.

[grahamhgreen]

40. He's getting things done - but not for me.

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. Nevermind the naysayers. By this time, they would surely have ripped

even Kucinich to shreds here at DU, they were just lying in wait, until Skinner gave the green light. They enjoy their misery, let them enjoy it. I used to think they were just anti Obama/Dem, and now I'm convinced that most are just anti-government, which is really disturbing.

For all the red meat speeches by DU heroes like Kucinich & Sanders, can anyone name one piece of major legislation authored by either of them that actually made it out of committee, and better yet, made it to the president's desk? You can be as idealistic as you want, but if you're just stuck spinning your wheels, fighting the same battles over & over, what the hell good does it do? This president, along with Harry Reid & Nancy Pelosi, despite the naysayers, are actually getting things done.

[inna]

48. mostly in a wrong direction. unrec.

[Scurrilous]

49. Kick

:kick:

[Number23]

50. I saw that politico thread and was surprised at the negative comments

The piece made some very good points and certainly portrayed many of the President's detractors in the unflattering light that they deserve. I thought it was a good idea that they were going to discuss why "Obama is perceived as failing to win over the public, even though by most conventional measures he is clearly succeeding."

When people make comments like "despite significant achievements, Obama has been a disappointment" as some of the President's critics have lately, they need to get their asses handed to them. Preferably in public and repeatedly.