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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:00 AM
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Now that Harry Reid is all concerned about the lack of "confrontation"
I trust we will see a major reform of the filibuster next Congress? Assuming he practices what he preaches.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:03 AM
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1. Why? How does that follow anything Reid said?
What does a filibuster have to do with Reid's comments on Obama's style?
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KeyWester Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:14 AM
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2. Reid telling Obama he isn't tough enough on the GOP
is pretty laughable.

I agree with Reid , but he isn't the one who should be speaking these words.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:19 AM
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4. Who should be, then? CHuck Norris? Is he tough enough?
:shrug:
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KeyWester Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:28 AM
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5. Boxer, Franken, Sanders, Durbin
People who actually have a spine.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:50 AM
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7. Harry Reid is the biggest "wimp" in Congress. He even sounds weak when he talks about
his "friends on the other side of the aisle".
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:18 AM
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3. if you are going to criticize someone for something
you should not also be guilty of doing the same thing...

so, to spell it out... Harry Reid shouldn't criticize Obama for being non-confrontational if he acts the same way. And considering that it is the Senate that is the monkey wrench causing all the problems with passing legislation, I'm assuming that Harry has decided to become more confrontational, and a good first step would be filibuster reform so that the President's agenda is no longer sandbagged by stupid republicans.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:30 AM
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6. What does that have to do with the filibuster?
Why would ending the fillibuster be confrontational enough to justify Reid's comments? One could easily argue that defending and protecting the fillibuster was confrontational and tough.

And why shouldn't someone who is non-confrontational (assuming Reid is, just for the sake of argument here) be able to point out that someone else is non-confrontational? If anything, wouldn't that person be better placed to recognize the fault? If a criminal in prison for drug use tells kids not to do drugs, isn't that a more meaningful message than some high school principle telling kids not to do drugs?

To spell out my problem, it's two-fold. First, claiming that Reid has no room to criticize Obama distracts from Reid's point, which should stand or fall on its own. And second, tying a specific issue to Reid's right to speak just means no one really has the right to say anything, since that method could be applied to anyone. How can someone criticize healthcare who has healthcare coverage already, for instance.

Combining unrelated points just eliminates both points. There's just no focus to any of the arguments around here anymore.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 07:45 AM
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8. Reid just needs to enforce the fillibuster not change it.
If R's say they will fillibuster then make them do it. Reid can say whatever he wants about Obama but IMO he is a hypocrite for saying what he did, that's my take. I actually think his words were taken out of context though and blown up by the media to cause conflict. What a surprise.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 08:57 PM
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9. He doesn't need to reform the filibuster rule .............
he just needs to actually make the repugs filibuster.

This is one of the unknown things about the filibuster. In the modern filibuster, the senators trying to block a vote do not have to hold the floor and continue to speak as long as there is a quorum, although the Senate Majority Leader may require an actual traditional filibuster if he or she so chooses. Reid is the Senate Majority Leader.

Personally, I would bring the measure up for argument, and then open debate, and plainly state that nothing else goes forward until this debate over. Eventually they will have to stop talking and a vote can finally take place in which only 51 votes are needed to pass a measure.

Personally, I would enjoy watching this kind of freak show.
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