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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 09:36 AM
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Sheila Bair on ‘Too Big to Fail’ and Elizabeth Warren on the financial reform bill
Edited on Sat Jun-26-10 09:47 AM by ProSense
Video: Sheila Bair on ‘Too Big to Fail’

Great stuff!

Elizabeth Warren:

"It has been more than 20 months since the largest financial crisis since the Great Depression, and we are still living under the same set of rules we had in place before the meltdown. Thanks to the leadership of President Obama, Chairman Frank, and Chairman Dodd, that's about to change. Members of the House-Senate conference committee and their staffs worked through the night to produce the strongest set of Wall Street reforms in three generations. They created a strong, independent consumer agency that will have the tools to rein in industry tricks and traps and to cut out the fine print. For the first time, there will be a financial regulator in Washington watching out for families instead of banks."




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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 09:43 AM
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1. Wow. High praise from Ms. Warren. Nice! nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 09:58 AM
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6. It is. Now why would anyone unrec this? n/t
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 09:46 AM
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2. When she says its good, I'm more inclined to believe something good came out
of the financial reform.. Hopefully, it will help us all out. At least reign in the "too big to fail".

Perhaps the Gulf Oil Spill (Gusher) did something meaningful for us.. took the crazies and their teaparty out of the general conversation so that real reform could happen... along with a few "too close" primaries showing the DINO's they need to support the Democratic Platform.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 09:49 AM
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3. K&R...n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 09:54 AM
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4. MIT economist Simon Johnson and many others have a far and more informed different take
than this truly sorry spin from Sheila Blair.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 09:55 AM
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5. Yes,
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 10:00 AM
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7. Johnson's already blown a hole in your party boat-
Edited on Sat Jun-26-10 10:05 AM by depakid
Wait til they really get going on it next week.

Find me a systemic risk expert – and I’ve been talking to the very best – who thinks what the administration did was a good idea.

The next time a megabank fails, do not send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for Tim Geithner and Larry Summers (as well as probably 25 million or so people around the world who will lose their jobs in the ensuing recession). Failing to break up the biggest banks was a policy mistake for the ages. Senators Brown and Kaufman handed this opportunity to Treasury on a platter – but they knocked it over, trampled it into the ground, and now brag about their feat to the press.


This was pure hubris on the part of the administration, with perhaps some NIH (“not invented here”) thrown in – if they didn’t invent an idea, they can’t believe it’s worth pursuing.

The next time a big bank crashes and burns – causing vast economic damage – you can blame Chuck Prince (or his latest incarnation) if you wish. Or you can blame the people who hired the Chuck Prince-equivalent. But I would respectfully submit that most of the blame lies with the folk who thought it was OK to continue allowing the existence of megabanks that can be mismanaged into utter disaster.

The “Chuck Prince” problem is a completely unnecessary source of system risk that could have been removed by this administration.

More: http://baselinescenario.com/2010/06/23/chuck-prince-is-going-to-run-this-bank/#more-7775
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 10:11 AM
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8. Not only is that an article written two days before the final bill was unveiled, but this argument
is completely lame:

“Breaking up big banks would actually increase system risk” is a refrain heard from top administration officials, ever more vocal after they helped kill the Brown-Kaufman amendment (that would have limited the size and leverage of our largest banks) on the floor of the Senate.


Brown-Kaufman?


Sen. Brown Statement on Finalization of Wall Street Reform Conference Report

WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH), chairman of the Senate Banking Subcommittee on Economic Policy, issued the following statement upon the finalization of a Wall Street reform conference report:

"This is an important step in our efforts to put Main Street ahead of powerful special interests. Passage of Wall Street reform legislation will provide American taxpayers with greater protection from the kind of risky Wall Street practices that put our economy on the verge of collapse and led to the loss of eight million jobs and six million homes.

"While I would have liked to impose tougher rules on derivatives and address the problems created by banks that are too big and have too much leverage, this legislation will help rein in the Wall Street banks and their financial weapons of mass destruction. We cannot allow short-sighted practices on Wall Street to put our economy on the brink of collapse.

"Wall Street banks risked Main Street jobs, Main Street pensions, and Main Street neighborhoods with get rich quick schemes that collapsed. Wall Street reform is the first step toward ending this."


Brown-Kaufman was about the size of traditional banks and their leverage, which had absolutely nothing to do with the crisis.

This is from August:

Krugman: Too big to fail FAIL

I’m a big advocate of much strengthened financial regulation. One argument I don’t buy, however, is that we should try to shrink financial institutions down to the point where nobody is too big to fail. Basically, it’s just not possible.

The point is that finance is deeply interconnected, so that even a moderately large player can take down the system if it implodes. Remember, it was Lehman — not Citi or B of A — that brought the world to the brink.

And as far as I know, there never was a time when policymakers could have viewed the collapse of a major money center bank with equanimity.

They certainly were worried about systemic risk in 1982, when I had something of a front-row seat. There were fears that the Latin debt crisis would take down one or more money center banks — Citi, or Chase, say. And policy was shaped in part by the desire to make sure that didn’t happen. Bear in mind that this was in the days before the repeal of Glass-Steagal, before finance got so big and wild; the New Deal regulations were mostly still in place. Yet even then major banks were too big to fail.

So I think of the pursuit of a world in which everyone is small enough to fail as the pursuit of a golden age that never was.
Regulate and supervise, then rescue if necessary; there’s no way to make this automatic.


The problems stemmed from the repeal of Glass-Steagal and the shadow financial system that grew out of that.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 12:28 PM
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10. LOL- it lays out the EXACT problem in no uncertain terms
Edited on Sat Jun-26-10 12:29 PM by depakid
that the bill fails to address.

Of course, it also fails to properly effective address the problem with shady derivatives- the problem with conflicts of interest at the ratings agencies- and the exorbitant CEO and executive pay packages that cause unreasonable high stakes and risks, but we'll hear about all of that from other sources soon enough.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 12:46 PM
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11. "Of course, it also fails to properly effective address the problem with shady derivatives" Huh?
Edited on Sat Jun-26-10 12:46 PM by ProSense
"...the problem with conflicts of interest at the ratings agencies- and the exorbitant CEO and executive pay packages that cause unreasonable high stakes and risks, but we'll hear about all of that from other sources soon enough.


DERIVATIVES

Derivatives are financial instruments whose values change based on the price of some underlying investment. They were used for speculation, fueling the financial crisis. Under current law, they have been traded out of the sight of regulators. The new law would force many of those trades onto more transparent exchanges.

Banks will continue trading derivatives related to interest rates, foreign exchanges, gold and silver. Those deals earn big profits for a handful of Wall Street titans.

But riskier derivatives could not be traded by banks. Those deals would run through affiliated companies with segregated finances. The goal is to protect taxpayers, since bank deposits are guaranteed by the government.

<...>

EXECUTIVE PAY

Shareholders would vote on executive pay packages. But the votes wouldn't be binding. Companies could ignore them.

The Fed would oversee executive compensation to make sure it does not encourage excessive risk-taking. The Fed would issue broad guidelines but no specific rules. If a payout appeared to promote risky business practices, the Fed could intervene to block it.

CREDIT RATING AGENCIES

Credit rating agencies that give recklessly bad advice could be legally liable for investor losses. They would have to register with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Regulators would study the conflict of interest at the heart of the rating system: Credit raters are paid by the banks that issue the securities they rate. Before the crisis, they bowed to pressure from the banks, lawmakers say. That's why the agencies gave strong ratings to mortgage investments that were basically worthless.

link


Of course, one of the best things this bill does is end bailouts of financial institutions and gives the government more to power seize and liquidate them at the industry's expense.





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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 12:56 PM
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12. No sense in arguing with you-
Edited on Sat Jun-26-10 12:58 PM by depakid
Plenty of informed and educated comment will be coming out in the following days.

Bottom line is that there were 4 major problems presented- and none of them were solved, despite overwhelming public support for effective action.

But hey, at least the Democrats have something to waive around this fall. Could have been worse- and better than what's happened with Guantanamo.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 12:58 PM
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13. Especially when one doesn't have a very good argument. n/t
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 10:56 AM
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9. that's an excellent article in the excellent Huffington Post
Huff Po isn't perfect, but they are excellent. :thumbsup:
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kaiden Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 06:30 PM
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14. hahahahaha. I went to high school with her in Independence, Ks.
Sheila was two years younger. I became a legal secretary and raise goats on the side -- she became the FDIC chairman. Who -- I ask -- was paying attention in school?

I don't meant to denigrate this conversation -- I just mean to say that I am a boob.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:50 PM
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15. Don't be so hard on yourself.
After all, you didn't even apply for the FDIC chairman's job, did you? So there!

:hi:
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kaiden Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 05:51 PM
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16. You're right,, Moondust. Who has time for FDIC chairmanships
when you're mucking stalls and flanging nannyberries? hahahahahaha
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