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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:34 PM
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CNN poll: Obama's message gets through the noise
Edited on Sat Jun-19-10 01:35 PM by babylonsister
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/6/18/877467/-CNN-poll:-Obamas-message-gets-through-the-noise

CNN poll: Obama's message gets through the noise
by DemFromCT

Sat Jun 19, 2010 at 09:18:03 AM PDT



What the public thinks:

Nine in ten Americans say that the situation in the Gulf of Mexico is still out of control, but roughly half say that it is not getting any worse, according to a new national poll.

But will the oil spill get any better?

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday indicates that about half the public says that the Gulf will eventually recover, with half saying that will never happen.


Obama's got a 41/59 approve/disapprove on his handling of the spill. That's down from 46/51 three weeks ago, and a tad better than BP's current 13/87 (and just who are the approving 13%?)

The surprising and underreported part of the poll:

68 percent of respondents want more regulation of the oil industry;

72 percent favor "Barack Obama's proposals to develop alternative sources of energy and reduce the amount of oil and other fossil fuels that are produced and used in this country";

69 percent believe such plans will increase jobs.


But... but... Obama's speech on the topic was terrible. The pundits said so. So how could his proposals resonate? Hey, maybe the pundits are ** gasp ** wrong.

Here's an important part of the poll:

According to the poll, opposition to increased offshore drilling has grown 10 points since May and is now twice as high as it was in 2008. Fifty-eight percent of those questioned support a six-month moratorium on new drilling in the Gulf and other offshore sites; 68 percent favor increased regulation of the oil industry in this country.

"There is a gender and generation gap on offshore oil drilling - women and younger Americans are less likely to support drilling offshore and more likely to support a moratorium," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.


snip//

And see this from CJR:

John Harwood’s Monday contributions to The New York Times’s "Caucus" blog provide a reliably level-headed take on the political news of the moment, often informed by political science. Today’s contribution—about how, for all the media sturm und drang about Barack Obama’s failure to sufficiently emote about the environmental catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico, his public ratings have remained steady—is a good example...

In the case of the oil spill, it’s not so much ideological disagreement as the press’s institutional need for novelty, drama, and volatility that drive the assumption that of course Obama is courting political risk by not playing the role the media expects. But the public does not face the some incentives—and, as Harwood notes, it’s apparently come to its own conclusions.


Remember, the pundits opining on how Obama's speech sucked are the same people that explained to us how McCain won the debates.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:36 PM
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1. "We are sooooo SORRY that people see through our BS." - Republicon Brown Nosers
Edited on Sat Jun-19-10 01:41 PM by SpiralHawk
"And we are sooooooo sorry that the American people support America rather than the republicon corporations that we routinely ass kiss."

- Republicon Brown Nosers
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:36 PM
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2. I don't know why anyone would listen to a pundit
They make it all about the drama and try to create drama.

One only has to listen to Obama himself and then turn off the TV. Maybe for fairness listen to Boner or Cantor for a while. If people just did that, the POTUS would have so much support! Only wingnuts would think Boner makes more sense. Instead people let mindless entertainers tear the President down. Their only goal is attention.

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:48 PM
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11. One goal is ratings ....
Edited on Sat Jun-19-10 01:50 PM by goclark
the other is to be a (good old boy/girl) and one more thing ---get more $$$.

Oops, I almost forgot -- have the ability to pull in your family and friends to say whatever gets those ratings up. No matter if they are a quality journalist or not ~ Andrea Mitchell, Mika,Anderson Cooper, Liz Cheney, Jenna Bush etc.

We could do a thread on the nepotism that goes on in the "News."

Let's take Luke Russet ~ someone please take him and hire him at Macy's.

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 03:23 PM
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20. But then what would the poor pundits do? They might lose their million dollar contracts.
They may no longer be invited to their ritzy inside the beltway cocktail parties. They may no longer be able to influence public opinion. They may never regain the public's trust. People, like me, may just tune them out for good. They might just dry up & blow away. We might have to hold fundraisers to SAVE THE PUNDITS! Alas.....
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:39 PM
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3. So Obama's speech encouraged the public to move left
in favor of more government regulation over business and more action on clean energy. Those were obviously the main points of the speech.

I'm sure left pundits will join me in celebrating a President who's changing the trajectory of American politics to a more liberal direction. Right?
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:46 PM
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7. I think the public would have moved that way
no matter what the President had said, or even if we had a Repuke in the office. Whether our leaders see it or not, this disaster is a wake-up call for ordinary Americans who will be forced to make some hard choices to save the planet. We're not going to rely on the mega-corporations and the politicians they buy to keep supplying us with potentially deadly cheap oil.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:40 PM
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4. Great news - now's the perfect time for an energy/climate bill with a price on carbon! nt
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:47 PM
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8. Republicans and some Dems have said no...Rockefellar is already against it.
You may think it's a perfect time, but I don't know. It won't pass without a lot of compromises. <---Which will cause this site to go into Obama-bash.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:48 PM
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10. There's no better time than now for that
If we wait until the gusher stops, a lot of momentum for such a change may evaporate.

President Carter was smart enough to use Americans' frustration over gasoline lines, and higher prices to get Congress to pass his energy bill, I hope that President Obama is just as skillful.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:56 PM
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12. No better time than now, except Dems are too chickenshit
to do anything by August. Midterms are overwhelming their common sense.

How's this as a vote of confidence?

Senate Democrats doubt Obama can find votes for climate
http://www.grist.org/article/2010-06-18-senate-democrats-doubt-obama-can-find-votes-for-climate/
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:58 PM
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13. Yes, midterms are indeed the small shiny object that is holding their attention
but since it's obvious that the job situation will not improve markedly by November, perhaps some leadership from the President can convince Democratic Congressmembers to make this an issue to win on in the election.

If he cannot, then maybe we have to suffer through a couple years of teabaggers before the grown-ups can come back in 2012.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:17 PM
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15. Can you spare a bit of your criticism for the senators who
deserve it? They were also voted in to represent us, and all I'm seeing are stalling tactics.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:27 PM
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18. It's up to citizens to push the prez on this! nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 03:49 PM
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23. Riiight...blame it on the President who gets things done
in spite of all the dinos and gNOp.

The President gets credit from me..not the same ol tried.."show some leadership"..uh huh.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 04:32 PM
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25. I'm not blaming him
but asking him to show leadership in this situation is asking him to do the job he applied for two years ago. He managed to muster up enough to get at least a flawed version of HCR passed, this is at least as important as that.

If things go as expected, and the Repukes take over Congress for the next two years, it will be at least 2013 before we can get grown-ups in charge of things again, and start turning our economy away from oil. If leadership on the part of the President and the Democratic leaders of Congress can get the Blue Dogs in line just one more time, it might convince some voters that maybe we shouldn't put our future, even for two years, in the hands of the tea partiers.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:27 PM
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17. It's up to citizens to demand it of them! nt
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:44 PM
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5. I'd say that this poll was more about Americans' feelings about the oil industry
than it was about the President. As your post notes, he's still got a clearly unfavorable rating on his handling of this. Labeling the development of alternate sources of energy as being the President's proposals is simply irrelevant, people want this sort of thing no matter who's claiming the credit for it. Frankly, it's a bit silly to label it this way, as I recall, the President was favoring offshore drilling before this hit the fan.

The pundits are part of the steady drip-drip-drip of bad news, and I expect that dribble to turn into a gusher if the relief wells fail. The question will be framed as: Should we try a few more relief wells, or go straight for the nuclear option? That will be what President Obama is held responsible for.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:46 PM
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6. MSM Millionaires Tone-Deaf, Just Makin' It Up! - No story at 11.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:47 PM
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9. When I saw C-SPAN I knew this. Thanks Babylonsister. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:00 PM
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14. Do you still have the link to those C-Span callers?
I haven't had the chance to listen to it yet.


And also, pundits = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uC67CqvXME :rofl:
Reminds me of something one would see on the Twilight Zone!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:20 PM
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16. " Obama's got a 41/59 approve/disapprove on his handling of the spill."
First of all, that's expected with all the media saying that Obama was "slow to respond" to the spill, even though he wasn't.

Secondly, the poll was taken before Obama got $20 billion from BP after meeting with them.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:35 PM
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19. Noise like this?...
"How Dummies Report the Gulf Coast Crisis"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uC67CqvXME

They have quite the long resume of missing the target.

I was with the Public on this..I could tell he was talking to us and even more to the residents of the Gulf Coast whose livlihoods and Culture have been hit so viciously hard.

Thanks to impik for finding the vid.:hi:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 03:37 PM
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21. ZOMG!
:spray:





I almost peed my pants. Thanks for sharing. It's funny, cuz it's true.










:rofl:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 03:46 PM
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22. That's exactly what I said..
it's so funny bc it's true. All the youtube person had to do was write the title..the US "media" wrote the rest.

Glad it found one more person who hadn't seen it. I sent it to my son and some friends for whom I had described it and they said.."Send It!"

:hi:Tarheel Dem~
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 04:06 PM
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24. I have now passed it on to my family. Thanks again.
:hi:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 04:42 PM
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26. K and R (nt)
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