HEADS UP: Rachel is going to give the speech she wishes the President had given.

[polichick]

This should be interesting - hope they don't wait until the very end of the show.

[saracat]

1. Good for her.

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[FrenchieCat]

6. Delete!

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[FrenchieCat]

3. I find that sad.......

First one has to run and win to become President.
Then one has to have actually dealt with all of the bullshit served,
a fucked up senate and some racist asshole Pugs dogging you out
at every turn. Then give a speech, after giving a whole lot of them.

I still haven't heard of much intelligent analysis of what was in the speech
that was given, and there was plenty......

But whatever! It's her show.

[RollWithIt]

5. Agreed.... it's easy to sit in a studio all day and tear everything down...

It's another to be Obama and do the best you can.

[WestSeattle2]

20. In the words of one Gulf Coast resident, "I don't give a damn

about a climate bill, I care about paying my bills". The speech last night was not what Gulf Coast residents needed or wanted to hear; it fell woefully short.

Leaders in all fields are critiqued on a daily basis; it comes with responsibility. Anyone who has managed people and/or projects, knows darn well it comes with the territory and either grows a thick skin, or returns to jobs that require less responsibility and visibility. It's not sad, it's reality - and anyone who runs a three-year campaign for a job fully expects it.

I believe Obama is not being well-served by his advisors. This was a perfect opportunity to showcase his crisis management skills, but they've allowed him to be portrayed as being as inept at crisis management as his predecessor.

Rachel will be saying what millions of people were thinking last night as Obama spoke. Basically, "where's the beef?"

[polichick]

26. Yes, my guess is that's what she'll do...

What I liked a lot about last night's speech was what he said about energy - that bill had been on the back burner.

[FrenchieCat]

31. That's your opinion.....

Because whatever you believe about what Gulf Coast residents "needed or wanted to hear"....
that would be your rendition, and to me that ain't exactly golden.

Now, I did see the result of some focus group poll, and they seem to like the speech.

So what makes you right?

[WestSeattle2]

35. I'm sure everyone who believes the president can do no wrong

thought the speech was absolutely fabulous. The tens of millions of us who live in the focus group of balanced reality, see lots of room for improvement in regards to his handling and this crisis.

[FrenchieCat]

52. You can't be sure about much of anything,

cause you are as imperfect as the rest of us;
not somehow superior and all knowing. Sorry.

and the point is not criticism of this President,
as much as the fact that no one seem to be able to
criticize certain media personalities without
committing a crime involving a bus.

[Uzybone]

4. Hope she gives a good speech and includes props

Flags and family pictures and all that. Maybe an M$NGE seal on her desk too.


Playing President on TV must be fun!

[Beacool]

7. And she will be summarily thrown under the bus like Tweety & KO.

:D

[FrenchieCat]

11. Why?

Seems like Obama can be criticized by everyone.
I didn't vote for any of the folks criticizing him....
so why can't they be criticized, and still be respected?
I don't get this shit you are dishing.

[Beacool]

16. I don't watch MSNBC, but last night KO & Matthews were lambasted here.

I guess that some didn't like what they had to say.

[FrenchieCat]

18. So what? Obama gets lambasted every fucking day...

as do his supporters, as witnessed by the couple of deleted message up above,
which were nothing but folks throwing DUers under the fucking DU is Pure bus.

Who in the fuck elected everyone to decide every fucking thing?
I mean who died and became the creator of buses and who's under them and shit?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

22. That's what happens when you are President.

:shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

27. That's what happens period. Being a journalist doesn't exempt one from criticism!

[jesus_of_suburbia]

55. agree

[Beacool]

23. It comes with the job. All presidents get lambasted.

:shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

29. The point is not him being lambasted......

it is the point that some act as though everyone else is above criticism......
as long as they ain't President.

ooooh...KO talked bad about the President.
Ooooh....that means he's under the bus.

Folks need to realize if they can certainly dog out whomever they want,
but they can't start then whining that someone else might get criticized.
It's not like some folks are perfect and above it all, right?

[Beacool]

40. The reference to being "thrown under the bus" is because some of you like Obama so much

that you can't bear when someone criticizes him, even when the criticism may be a fair one. When MSNBC was almost the unofficial Obama network during the election and Hillary was trashed on a daily basis by the likes of Matthews and Olbermann, many here thought that they were great and everything they said was to be taken as gospel. Now that they are criticizing Obama they get trashed by those same people. Can you see the irony?

[FrenchieCat]

48. Yeah...I don't have any use for folks that consistently bash the President

about everything. You are right there.

And no, if the criticism is fair, and isn't constant, than those are different posters
than the ones I'm thinking of, and y'all know who you are!

But use that strawman......of this sometime constructive criticism bullshit,
like when one decides not to always agree with Rachel, although one can
stress that they respect her and agree with her 95% of the time...
and still, here comes the bus bullshit.

So yeah, I see some irony here. You said it1

[jenmito]

50. And there it is, ladies and gentlemen...

it all goes back to how HILLARY was perceived to be treated. GET OVER IT ALREADY-SHE LOST FAIR AND SQUARE! :rofl:

[Beacool]

57. Jenmito, go bug someone else.

Shoo!!!

:eyes:

[jenmito]

59. Oh-you're trying to shut me up now?

Just because I'm pointing out how YOU brought it back to how HILLARY was supposedly treated by those at MSNBC? :rofl:

[Beacool]

68. Nope, you actually amuse me.

:D

[vaberella]

70. They even back tracked on their words---so meh. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

79. Probably because the context and content is ignored and the person is attacked

for the very act and audacity to have criticism of a public servant.

The over the top "doneness" over said expression of opinion is petty and childish and generally the actual points are never refuted and if such an attempt is made it still usually comes in the forms of "pony", "never loved him", "I guess you'd rather have McShame/Phailin", or "shut up till you run and win", or the "pragmatism" card is played.
The points themselves are almost always ignored or danced around with some mix of the above themes.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

15. .....

:hug:



I'd find the anger at Tweety & KO funny if our country wasn't in such a mess. However, I'm glad they (KO, Tweety, and Rachel) are saying what needs to be said.

[Beacool]

21. I didn't hear their commentary because I refuse to watch MSNBC.

I would watch Rachael if she were on another network. I just find it amusing that they are now criticizing the person they carried water for the last 2 years.

:hi:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

33. by the way...

I wasn't implying you found it funny. I've had 2 glasses of wine after dinner (so my typing is loose). Sorry about that!

[Beacool]

44. I know what you meant.

Enjoy your wine and pass a glass.

:toast:

[stray cat]

63. You mean someone may disagree with her - Oh poor Rachel!

I'm sure she has never had anyone disagree with her :sarcasm:

Why do people insist they are being victimized and thrown under the bus whenever people don't praise their every word and heaven forbid even disagree!

[Colobo]

8. If she thinks can do a better job than Obama, she should run...

[bigwillq]

36. So we can't saything about about a politician

unless we declare our bid for public office? :shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

38. I think we say plenty about politicians......

it is having the nerve to say something negative about the opinions of a news commentator
on a single issue, and folks announcing that this person has been thrown under the bus,
when that's not what is happening.

I like and respect Rachel.
But I'm not her siamese twin in all of her opinions.
Thank goodness.

I don't agree with her anymore often than I agree with this president.

[bigwillq]

49. That's not my issue

I don't give a poop what they say about news commentators, and I could care less about who is or isn't under the bus. If people want to roll like that, fine.

My issue was: So, we cannot say anything about a politician unless we run for office? Is that was the poster was saying? That's the answer I want to know. Just a clearer explanation, that's all.

[FrenchieCat]

58. This thread is not about your issues per se.

[bigwillq]

61. What?

:shrug: WOW. Is that how I should now respond to all of your threads and posts? :shrug:

I asked a yes and no question, basically, to figure out what that poster meant. I will wait for her/him to respond.

[moondust]

10. Presumptuous.

Channel change in 3...2...1...*

[jefferson_dem]

12. That's fine.

She can play president if she wants. Last night's embarrassing "whinefest" notwithstanding, I still value her perspective.

[depakid]

13. Memo to Rachel- let it fly

The bus is in the shop, getting downsized and fitted for new wheels.

[FrenchieCat]

14. What is it with this bus bullshit?

Why is it that only Obama be criticized with it being ok....and there being no bus?
Hell, even supporters of Obama get routinely dissed?
What is fucking going on around here?
Why are there folks determining that some folks can be criticized,
but others can't be. Who in the wrote those fucked up rules?
They are perfect, these folks that get paid by General Electric? Always?

[Uzybone]

24. Cable pundits cannot be criticized because they are sacrosanct

but Obama can be trashed 24-7.

[depakid]

25. That's what I've been wondering, too,

It really is way too 2008-09.

I guess old habits are hard to break, and people need objects to focus the dissonance on.

[otohara]

17. Rachel 2012

I say all the pundits quit their over-paid jobs and run for office.

They are all so damn smart, I suggest they run for office and do something to help fix our country.

[GoCubsGo]

41. Amen to that!

I had to hit the mute button. Couldn't take all the sanctimony.

[FrenchieCat]

19. She'll give the speech as soon as she is finished covering

herself, I guess. :shrug:

[WeDidIt]

30. Because Rachel Maddow can say whatever the fuck she wants

and suffer no political consequences.

It's a perfect setup. Liberals eat up spoon fed pablum and she gets to trash Obama all in one set of talking points she knows will play well wiht her very narrow audience while Obama was playing to the audience of the entire nation.

[tabatha]

37. +1000

[otohara]

62. Watch Out Jon Faverau

Rachel Maddow apparently wants your job.

[GoCubsGo]

64. I am part of her "narrow audience"

However, I thought her "re-write" of the President's speech was ridiculous. I turned her off. Any more of this kind of crap, and I will cease to be part of her audience.

[WeDidIt]

75. What I find interesting is

it looks like both she and Keith will have narrower audiences now.

[PassingFair]

72. I've been told he was only speaking directly to the people of the gulf.

And that's why his overt religiosity is not to be commented on.

[boston bean]

76. "Liberals eat up spoon fed pablum"

Wow! Are you alright?

[TriMera]

78. Shhhh...

We should just sit here and enjoy our yummy pablum...Hey, Boston! Good to see ya!:hi:

[WeDidIt]

28. Rachel has a luxury that Obama doesn't have

She doesn't have to face any consequences for whatever she says.

:eyes:

[Sky Masterson]

32. Even if I disagree completely with her take

I still respect her as a journalist.

[Uzybone]

34. Well damn she did include props.

[jefferson_dem]

39. Her rant is cute but nobody in their right mind would or should have expected...

any president to deliver this "address" and be taken seriously. Melodramatics much? Props to her anyway for passion.

[FrenchieCat]

42. Agreed.

Senators and the house Reps would give her a big fuck you after that speech.

[WeDidIt]

43. I might have to listen to it tomorrow online

Sounds like she's throwing red meat to her very liberal audience.

[jefferson_dem]

53. It would make for a right fiery "rev 'em up" speech at a moveon rally...

That's true.

Thankfully, she doesn't take herself too seriously. This was a good exercise, I think.

[xultar]

60. +1

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. "I am not a White Sox fan anymore and I am closing Gittmo"

That part was hilarious. :rofl:

[polichick]

47. "That's all. Goodbye." LOL

[FrenchieCat]

54. If only the congress she just dissed would approve funding to close Gittmo,

then she'd be on a roll!

Wonder what is her plan on that?

[vaberella]

71. I know. n/t

[SemiCharmedQuark]

66. LOL.

No White Sox? For the first time in my life I'm disappointed in Rachel.

[polichick]

46. Pretty damn good, Fake President Obama! nt

[TriMera]

51. +1...

Not that it did any good against the unrecs, but thanks for the heads up.:hi:

[polichick]

56. My pleasure - welcome to DU...

That part about Sec'y Clinton coordinating help from around the world was an especially good idea.

[tranche]

65. Wow. When Obama said people tend to project upon him. He wasn't kidding.

I like Maddow.

[Clio the Leo]

67. Tomorrow, I'll be hosting an episode of Countdown in a way that I wish Keith had done last night...

.... two of my cats will play the roles of Tweety and Fineman. ..... I'll even have the third one play O'Donnell.

One of the cats, long ago, threw my Obama Chia head on the floor and smashed it to bits .... he's custom suited for the role.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8356440

[jefferson_dem]

69. And i'll follow up with an episode of me portraying the way that I wish you would have played Keith.

HINT: If you repeatedly use "you...sir..." with heavy inflection in your role-play, that will make mine much easier.

[Clio the Leo]

73. Yeah, but mine will also be filled with exclamations like...

"TWEETY!!! GET OFF OF THE COUNTER!!!!" or "Ok Howard, you read for some wet food now?"

[AspenRose]

77. ROFL

:rofl:

[Mimosa]

74. Here's a link to Rachel's fake President speech

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/06/16/4519408-fake-president-maddows-oval-office-in-her-own-head-address

[Hosnon]

80. So I guess she's under the bus now as well? nt.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

81. Only with some here.

The rest of us like her just fine, even when she says something we may disagree with.

[polichick]

82. Yeah, Rachel is awesome - great investigative reporting and explanations...

...that people understand. I think her "Fake President Obama" speech was her way of ranting, not entirely serious. Some great ideas though.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

83. Hey I would vote for her for fake President!

I liked a whole LOT of her ideas -- bold, decisive, forward thinking -- exactly what we need right now.

[polichick]

84. I'd vote for the real Rachel Maddow too! nt

[riskpeace]

85. The speech reminded of the Peggy Lee song -- "Is that all there is?"

For whatever reason that I don't understand, President Obama does not seem to relate to this crisis in a personal and visceral way. I knew he did not get it when he finally showed up in LA the first time about 2-3 weeks in. He said that "thousands" would be affected by this crisis.

There will be oil in Panama City Beach by tomorrow or Saturday. 58 days after Day One, there is boom, no berms and not one skimmer in sight. That is a fact.