Whatever this president says or does, it does not matter

[AzNick]

In his 18 minutes speech he tried to be concise and to the point, yet some say he did not give enough details.

Had his speech lasted 36 minutes, details included, he would have been accused of giving too many details.

This is getting ridiculous. We are not to walk in lockstep with our president, like the republicans did with Bush, always finding a reason or an excuse, but we should at least take the good thing, appreciate, thank God McCain and Palin did not win, and then towards the end say "maybe it would have been a bit better if..."

This guy is one of the smartest president we ever had and his presidency is at once of the hardest times in our history.

Wars, jobs, healthcare and now this crap, in less than 2 years.

Seriously, people, stop acting like children or like old farts, complaining there's not enough salt or too much of it.

You're all driving me insane.

[FrenchieCat]

1. They would have called him professorial, had he done details with charts and shit.

The media is fickle, and political junkies like us; even more so.

[MadMaddie]

4. Yep it's a lose lose situation for him.

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. Oh you're right. I remember someone in the media complaining about him "lecturing"

during Health fight. The guy really cannot win. The good news is that the so-called "liberals" aren't that big a chunk of the electorate according to Gallup. The pragmatists and concensus builders will win in the end.

[Mz Pip]

2. Pretty much

Before the speech I posted that no matter what he said it would not be enough.

Can some critic of this speech tell me how Johnny Mac and Bible Spice would have done better? Jphnny Mac would have been bombing Iran by now and Bible Spice would be babbling about praying for the Gulf victims, :puke:

The criticism of Obama is beyond absurd. I don't agree with him on several things but I think he is doing the best he can with this mess.

[MadMaddie]

6. McCain and Palin would have nuked it by now

and they would be surprised at the radiation fall out in the region. That's what we would be living with.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. they probably would have nuked the mainland by now too

they are stupid enough

[tledford]

44. Actually, there would be NO fallout in the traditional sense.

With the proper size of fission bomb, say 20 kilotons, about the size of the test detonation at Trinity/Alamogordo, at a mile down and where the water pressure is 2200 lbs/sq inch, wouldn't even reach the atmosphere.

There would be radioactivity in the water, of course, and no guarantee that the explosion would stop the geyser, although many scientists have concluded it is likely that it would.

But let's face it, the immediate effects aren't why this approach hasn't been more seriously considered, even though the Russians recommended it during the last week of April -- the real reason is because this approach would render this drill site unusable for decades.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

49. The real reasons are the signficant risk of a radioactive oil spill (rather than the one we have)...

and the geopolitical ramifications of detonating a nuclear device at a time when we're demanding others to stop developing them.

[Teaser]

3. It's not that

He gave details. Just not the ones I was hoping for.
Which doesn't mean I think he sucks, or that it was a horrible speech.

It just wasn't the droids I was looking for.

[Cha]

5. I like this reaction from First Read..

"As we wrote in First Read this morning, Obama's objectives tonight were to demonstrate to the public that his administration is doing everything possible to mitigate the spill’s impact, to reimburse Gulf residents, and to hold BP’s feet to the fire.

In a strong, resolute and, yes, optimistic tone, he hit on all three."

Not only that he demonstrated strong compassion for what they're going through.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x340742

[Kind of Blue]

22. +1 Now, that's what I'm talking about.

Since there really is no Superman, to me those are the most immediate and pressing concerns in an impossible situation that has no quick fix. Thanks for the link.

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[kestrel91316]

7. [phone] 000 000 000 000

[blue sky at night]

8. just so you will know....

I feel like copying your post and pasting it everywhere I can find a tree or telephone pole to stick it on. Perhaps I will start with my rear windows on the CAR...

Thanks! That is all.

[Tansy_Gold]

9. Please read what you wrote and tell me you didn't mean it

"Whatever this president says or does, it does not matter"


he is the fucking president. OF COURSE WHAT HE SAYS AND DOES MATTERS. If it didn't, we wouldn't need him. He'd be just a figurehead, a bow ornament.


When he does right, he's important, and when he doesn't do right, he's not?


What part of LaLa Land have I fallen into?




TG

[liquid diamond]

20. I believe the OP meant people here would bitch no matter what

he said. And that is the fucking the truth.

[scheming daemons]

10. a-fucking-men

[flamingdem]

12. It's tiring to me imagine what it's like for him, he's not some insensitive psycho nt

[spoony]

21. Poor, poor most powerful man in the country

The peasants are so ungrateful. They say mean things. Poor, poor fellow.

[HughMoran]

26. spoon-size shredded wheat

[flamingdem]

30. Do those relieve stress?

:toast:

[Bobbie Jo]

31. I don't know about stress...

but I hear they're good for constipation. :hurts:

[flamingdem]

35. Oh I see what you mean...

:think::think::think:


ohhhhhhhhhh....


:think:

roughage!!

[Bobbie Jo]

32. Is that a sort of cereal?

Or were you making a pun? :rofl:

[HughMoran]

39. A little of each

:D

[democrat2thecore]

37. Yeah, poor guy, said so many things on campaign trail and has done opposite as president.

Waits EIGHT WEEKS to address the country on oil spill.

Yeah, Poor Barack.....making Jimmy Carter look like Franklin Roosevelt.

[HughMoran]

52. Can you make a list of "done the opposite" please

If you don't answer this post, I'll assume you were posting bullshit.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

48. This is exactly why those "great leaders" everyone clamors for don't run for office.

It's assholes like you with attitudes like this. Some people apparently don't deserve saving.

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[jgraz]

13. Oh please. It's never been about the difference between Obama and McCain

It's about the difference between Obama and the kind of leader we need right now. Obama has the talent and brains to be that leader, but for some reason he's choosing not to.

[RandomKoolzip]

16. +1.

My thoughts exactly. I donated and voted for the guy, was an ardent supporter, but more and more Obama is looking like that one kid everyone always says is "full of potential" but who, for some weird unknown reason, just won't get out there and fulfill it. This guy has enormous reserves of intelligence and diplomacy and power, and yet....every fucking decision he makes is so puzzlingly impotent.

[Myrina]

46. Bingo.

:applause:

[HughMoran]

55. Love that negativity!

Woot!

[HughMoran]

54. I've been watching you bash his head in for months

Not pulling anything over on me...

[RandomKoolzip]

57. I haven't even POSTED here in months, ya doofus.

I post here like once every three months.. Plus, what are you, the goddamn hall monitor?

[HughMoran]

53. trying to set a record for negative posts in one day?

Doesn't the darkness ever see light?

[jgraz]

59. Are you ever going to post something that's not a complete waste of time?

Or should we all just put you on ignore now?

[SarasotaDem]

14. Wish I could rec 10000000000000 NT

[IOKIYAL]

15. Check The News At Yahoo and AOL

What they lead with is what the average American will hear tomorrow and both headlines say: 'Obama will make bp pay'. They have a pic of him looking aggressive and angry.

[one_voice]

29. I'm curious as to your screen name...

does it mean "it's ok if your a liberal"?

[spoony]

18. And you were going to post the same thing "whatever this president" said or did

So...what now?

[AzNick]

19. Not true. I think this was a much better speech than I expected

He frustrated me a few times and I even considered switching to independent.

[spoony]

24. Uh, yeah

"Yes. Haters: shut up. Please
Seriously, what would have McCain and Palin done better?

McCain would have probably conveniently died and Palin would be rolling over.

I am not sure Hillary would have done much better, had she won the nomination and presidency

Chill the F up!!!!"

Those are the words of someone who has been frustrated with the President. Right. Then you just out of nowhere became a lockstep firebrand. That's totally believable. Really.

[AzNick]

27. I have been frustrated by him.

[HughMoran]

56. spoon-size shredded wheat

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

23. Three words: THE BLACK TAX!!! n/t

[TheKentuckian]

25. and some of us say what we want and what we'll settle for and stick to it

My goalpost stay the same and even come closer sometimes. Like on health care, when my acceptable line was way more minimal than almost every eventual die hard supporter. Hell, I lowered my bar and we still couldn't get there so I don't get why folks don't understand why anyone would be surprised when I finally called bullshit when we couldn't even get a national exchange, anti-trust exemptions removed, and refrain from taxing benefits.

I think it is wacky to see the same positions over and over and then accuse people of moving the goalposts or claiming that whatever is said and done is irrelevant when what and said is the problem.

90% of what I call for is largely ignored and the rest declared non-pragmatic or whatever the meme of the day is.

Thou protesteth too much on this, methinks.

[ZombieHorde]

28. "This guy is one of the smartest president we ever had"

Serious question, what method did you use to determine President Obama's intelligence and the intelligence of the other Presidents, especially the Presidents who have been dead for a long while?

[FrenchieCat]

33. probably the fact that when one is handed a shit sandwich,

gets barely any help from either the left or the Right,
and still gets his policies through (best he can considering the senate,
and the media)....he must be pretty smart.

[ZombieHorde]

50. Being handed a shit sandwich does not make you smart.

President Obama has a lot of support from the left; most of his policies have had little opposition from the left.

[Hansel]

61. Nope, being smart makes you smart.

Being handed a shit sandwich makes it harder to get the things done you want to get done. That and a goose-stepping opposition party and a carping "I want what I want--screw the nearly insurmountable mountain you have to climb to get it done and everyone else--I want what I want now" tantrum throwing base.

The carping and whining on this site, and a hell of a lot of others and in both the left and right media is getting old. Cynicism and pout-rage is not going to get anything done and is vastly more likely to be counterproductive. It's easy to stand on the sidelines and criticize. It's much harder to be a part of the solution.

It's like a nation of 2-year-olds. And it's coming from everywhere. It just needs to stop. This country has spiraled into one big snowballing pity party.

[democrat2thecore]

38. Making Jimmy Carter look like Franklin Roosevelt

Never in my 50-years have I seen such lackluster leadership.

[impik]

41. :) hilarious bullshit.

[democrat2thecore]

42. To clarify, I meant among Democratic presidents

Who might they be? Barack Obama is in WAYYYY over his head.

[treestar]

45. that's kind of sad really

You've been waiting 50 years to be led?

Sounds like you'll fall for any strong leader no matter what they stand for.

[avaistheone1]

40. I have wondered the same when people mention this...

Can anyone respond?

[akbacchus_BC]

34. You only figuring that out now! They hate him and they wish he would

fail! Lord, please let President Obama win as am wishing for him. Amen.

Fuck, havent't prayed for a long time but divine intervention is so necessary to keep this President save.

Thank you Lord!

[spoony]

43. That was like a knot of crazy.

Not even going to try to untie it.

[impik]

36. At this point it's actually funny, because these people can not be taken seriously

They live in La-La-Land, not in the real world.

[AzNick]

47. In another thread I am flamed because I asked for some respect for Obama

Someone (Malaise) said Jon Stewart "ripped him a new one".

Seriously, what's with the idiotic insulting language?

I dislike Bush, think he was a silly puppet, but would never have used this language.

Some folks just need to stop acting like teenagers.

[politicasista]

60. Yep.

:kick: