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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:19 PM
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Bah. Not enough on climate change legislation.
Disappointing.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:21 PM
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1. It was a 15-minute Presidential address, not a policy brief.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:24 PM
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2. not relevant to me
I'm a big supporter of O, but if it wasn't going to happen tonight, it's not going to happen.

I figure it's time for me to move on to plan B: train my kids to fight using bladed boomerangs and fight off the roving bands of post climate change mutants.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:25 PM
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4. ~sigh~
:eyes:
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:30 PM
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10. I'm sighing too.
I just expected more. Look, the things he outlined are very good. And everything else being equal, they'd be really kickass.

But the Evil Fucking Senate has thrown down their gauntlet and basically said we're not going to do climate legislation unless we're dragged to it kicking and screaming.

They needed a little prodding in this speech, and I just didn't see it.

I've been a really, really strong supporter for the O man since he first showed up on the scene. I remain a really, really strong supporter. However I pretty much am convinced that climate wise, we are now completely fucked. Maybe O knows this. Maybe the Senate knows we are fucked too. Maybe that's why none of them appear to give the proper level of shit that such a crisis merits, I don't know.

As I said, I've been a strong O supporter. I'm entitled to be disappointed once in a while.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:56 PM
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23. I disagree..I don't think because he
didn't go into detail tonight means it's not going to happen.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:25 PM
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3. That's because proposals have to come from Congress. I think he's playing it safe
because he doesn't know what to expect from the Senate. The real problem lies with a broken Senate, not necessarily with Obama, though he needs to be more forceful in this area.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:26 PM
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5. Exactly. Not to mention if the OP was watching KO a few minutes ago...
S/he would know that Reid had said they don't have enough votes in the Senate to get passed a filibuster.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:32 PM
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13. I agree that the problem lies with the Senate. They are EVIL FUCKS.
I was just hoping he'd signal to them that he was willing to throw down on this issue.

Fucking just abolish the goddamn Senate. Maybe I can make that my new cause.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:49 PM
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21. You can lay that one at the feet of the people
who devised the Virginia Plan.

Alternately, George Washington for brokering the deal that gave us a bicameral legislature.
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lillypaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:27 PM
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6. not enough on ANYTHING
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:29 PM
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8. I was expecting more beef. I was actually hoping he would bring change that just made a huge
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 07:31 PM by Divine Discontent
statement. As usual, he's very moderate/safe, and yet AGAIN talking about listening to "both sides".... blah! the GOP doesn't give a shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:28 PM
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7. Daddy didn't deliver.
Perhaps I'll write to senators and the fucked up media.
Perhaps they are much more in charge then we give them credit.
Perhaps they can get the fucking ball rolling.....on the energy bill.
Perhaps part of the job of the press is to inform us on what this bill will do....
instead of playing politics all of the fucking time.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:30 PM
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9. Agreed on the content of the speech. Disappointed, and, your points on Congress are truly spot on!
Congress is so damned poisonous and against real reform and change that all of us wanna scream!!!!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:32 PM
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14. I'm not dissapointed.
Short of stopping the leak, he could have given a 1 hour lecture,
and everyone would still be "disappointed".

I'm tired of this daddy shit. I didn't elect a father who was supposed
to have every single answer and respond perfectly to every fucking thing.
This has been 30 years in the making, and yet, we are just now disappointed?
Perhaps we are the ones slow on the uptake. Perhaps we expect much from others,
and not much from ourselves.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:47 PM
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20. Jimmy tried to address this decades ago. It was ignored by those in Congress.
I thought by saying "daddy", you being someone that adores him, was just calling him a name of affection, lol! I agree with the base context of your point though, it's something that Congress must address ALONG with the president. He cannot do it alone.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:37 PM
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15. it is to laugh.
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 07:38 PM by Teaser
He's not my daddy. I don't expect a daddy. My daddy is long dead.

I've done all the things you've mentioned. But the Senate are Evil Fucks, and the media are clueless fuckwits.

Obama's speech is simply a barometer on the state of play. and I know now the state of play is that climate change legislation is not going to happen. Fine. Mad Max future it is.

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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:31 PM
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11. Some like their soup hot. Some like it cold. Some like it without oil. Some recognize
not everyone is goldilocks
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:32 PM
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12. Very disappointing speech for me too.
Not enough toughness on BP.

Too much-- we will welcome ideas from both parties-- we already have ideas, don't need GOP stalling garbage bipartisan fake stuff.

The wowie we can go to the moon deal is really old now.

And I would have welcomed something much more dramatic like shifting the subsidies the billionaire multinational oil companies get right over to solar, wind and clean up.

How very sad to hear so little. Not even one half hour.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:40 PM
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16. If he started talking about legisation
He would be talking over the heads of the people in this country. You have to talk simple to simple minded people.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:42 PM
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17. That's what I was thinking!
A people with the attention span of a gnat, and the memory of an ant.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:44 PM
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18. that doesn't exactly inspire hope.
people with the attention span of a gnat aren't going to elect legislators that are much better.


we are so, so fucked.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:51 PM
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22. Not to mention that you have to stay high-level
when you have 15 minutes to talk about it--in ADDITION to about 8 zillion other subjects you have to fit into said fifteen minutes.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:46 PM
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19. I wish he had focused on that instead of the religious stuff
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:57 PM
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24. I'm not religious but I think
he was definetly helping those in the Gulf who are.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:59 PM
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25. I agree.
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