Pelosi: Dems' blame on Bush still warranted

[jefferson_dem]

Pelosi: Dems' blame on Bush still warranted
By Michael O'Brien - 06/11/10 09:31 AM ET

Democrats feel justified in laying the blame on the prior administration for current problems facing the U.S. for the indefinite future, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Friday.

Pelosi said that Democrats in Congress feel justified in blaming the administration of President George W. Bush because lawmakers and President Barack Obama are still forced to wrestle with problems they had inherited.

"Well, it runs out when the problems go away," Pelosi said during an appearance on MSNBC.

The speaker has been a vocal critic of the former president even after he left office in January 2009, most recently pinning some regulatory lapses at the Minerals Management Service (MMS), the regulatory agency in charge of preventing accidents like the oil spill, on holdovers from the Bush administration.

Pelosi rattled off a number of other problem areas for which she blamed Bush, and argued that Democrats are still working to fix.

"He brought us to the brink of financial crisis, he brought us to the brink of deep recession, ignoring issues related to climate change," she said.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/102657-pelosi-dems-blame-on-bush-still-warranted

[hlthe2b]

1. I would love to have a one-on-one with Pelosi

an off-the record discussion to ask her WHY THE HELL didn't she move forward with investigating/prosecuting (or impeaching) Bush* and his cronies, does she regret it now, and does she realize the precedence that has been set as a result.

[Lerkfish]

2. so why was everything against him "off the table", except now when its convenient

to deflect criticism?

[uponit7771]

6. I can see Obama honestly thought for a while that KKKons would work with him looking at their defeat

...but didn't realize how fuckin stupid they were.

[jefferson_dem]

7. who said "everything" against him was "off the table"?

link please.

...unless you consider impeachment to be synonymous with "everything".

[flyarm]

17. some people pay attention..some do not..........eom

[jefferson_dem]

20. On that.

We agree.

[SoFlaJet]

3. yea yea but

Obama should have donned his mask and cape and flown in and changed everything in five days. Yea I mean just because the whole world was falling apart it shouldn't have mattered. I mean I saw him posing in front of Superman so when I (reluctantly because HRC lost) voted for him I expected 'change that "I" could believe in' and he hasn't delivered. I mean I mean he should put on his presidential frog man suit and dive down a mile under water and put a 9000 pond rock on the oil pipe himself-Bush would have. Man we would have been much better of with McCain and Sister Sarah and oh yea all the dems in congress are in big trouble because the media says they are and I'm mad that everything isn't 100% better so I'm not voting or maybe I'll join the Tea Party-yea, that's what I'll do.....that is my impression of half the supposed progressives on this site over the past year and a half

[Lerkfish]

4. um... thanks for the non sequitor

?

[SoFlaJet]

8. It's fucking ridiculous

I read on here every single day how people are disappointed with Obama. Where were you people over the last decade under Bush? They were tearing this country apart with a new outrage every day until it became too much to keep track of and peopel expect 2800 days of disaster after disaster to change in a little more than a year. That's what I'm saying

[uponit7771]

10. The lack of proportionate response between Obama and Bush on DU is notable to me also...

...the number of complaints here against Obama are just as numerous as they were with Bush..

Some folk don't want to work for a more progressive congress so they complain

[Lerkfish]

13. I was here, trashing Bush at every opportunity

so your argument falls flat, I'm afraid.

[SoFlaJet]

19. Then you should know

that reversing all the damge that you railed against wasn't going to be easy or an overnight thing. there was a LOT of damage done to this country by the republicans since Bill Clinton left office and some of it even helped along by wimpy democrats who we have tried to weed out since.

[Lerkfish]

22. oh, if only it was because the task was too huge

but my disappointment comes because he is prolonging the very Bush policies I complained about, as well as kicking to the curb most of his base that got him elected.

here you go:

here are the things I complained about concerning Shrub:

1. Torture
-- under Obama, this is still happening in Baghram and other places.
2. Endless war in Afghanistan, Iraq
== under Obama, this has even expanded, and includes drone attacks on civilians in Pakistan.
3. Financial Bailouts of causes of economic crises.
-- Geithner and other GS connections are grandfathered in to Obama's administration
4. Deep see Oil Drilling
-- Obama, not even two weeks before the BP disaster, EXPANDED and supported drill, baby, drill.
5. the Govt's feeble response to the Katrina disaster
-- ditto the govt's feeble response to the BP disaster
6. Trashing of Unions and working against EFCA under Bush
-- Allowing EFCA to wither and trashing of unions under Obama


I could go on. The problem is that the same criticisms I had of Bush are STILL valid criticisms of Obama. Is it better than bush? Slightly. But that doesn't mean it is ok, not by a long shot.

[flyarm]

21. lets see who has been feecked over..shall we??

lets start here..

progressives..

Liberals and progressives are "Fecking retards"..

Unions get totally shit on!



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8529658

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/...
Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 06:11 ET
The Democratic Party and Blanche Lincoln
By Glenn Greenwald

In case that wasn't clear enough, the White House -- yet again -- expressed its contempt for progressives when a cowardly "senior White House official" hid behind Politico's blanket of anonymity to mock unions for having "just flushed $10 million of their members' money down the toilet on a pointless exercise." That comment was far more serious than mere derision. It was an attempt to exacerbate the tensions which unions have with their members over union spending on political races -- a rather ironic sore for the White House to try to pick at given that without massive union spending for Obama, he would not be President. What the White House is really angry about is that the unions did not spend that money in order to help vulnerable Blue Dogs and other conservative Democrats, whose agenda could not be more adverse to union members. In other words, the White House wants unions and other progressive groups to be nothing more than Democratic Party apparatchiks, whereby they help Democrats get elected purely for the sake of preserving Democratic power, regardless of the policy outcomes that are achieved, and regardless of how hostile those outcomes are to progressives. The sooner that realization is pervasive, the better.

The gay community;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8525098
Obama admin. asks judge to 'defer ruling' on constitutionality of DADT!!


Via Americablog - This is why so many in the gay community are so increasingly ticked off at the Obama administration. Because the Obama administration is acting like the Bush administration. They're acting no better than the Family Research Council or the American Family Association. They continue to defend the discriminatory "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law in court, and today they even outdid themselves.

The President's Justice Department had the temerity to tell the court that it shouldn't rule on the constitutionality of DADT because Congress was working on repealing DADT as we speak.




The FISA Law breakers get Immunity

Two wars still going ..one is accelerated

Gitmo still open

ACLU is in an uproar over Civil liberties still under the Bush rules of engagement and state Secrets are still being used aainst our civil liberties.
see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8529096

ACLU chief "disgusted" with Obama's policies on civil liberties and National Security "I'm going to start provocatively ... I'm disgusted with this president," Romero told the America's Future Now breakout session



Patriot act...still shitting on all of us

How's that reinstatement of Habeas Corpus doing?? crickets..

Womens rights ..well lets not look too closely there ..shall we?? PSSSSSSSS Emily's list did not support Lincoln..Obama did.

http://emilyslist.org/blog/tags/us_senate/index.html
Surprised about Blanche Lincoln's fight for survival? I'm not.
By Ellen R. Malcolm on 03/04/2010 @ 09:13 AM

Tags: 2010 Elections, U.S. Senate

Arkansas Senator Blanche Lincoln is fighting for her political survival. Republicans are in full attack mode, and polls indicate she's the most vulnerable Senate incumbent in the country.

Frankly, I'm not surprised.

As I travel around the country, I've been asked repeatedly about Senator Lincoln's political troubles and what, if anything, EMILY's List will be doing to help her win a third term in 2010.

My answer? Nothing.

In 1998, EMILY's List helped elect Lincoln to the U.S. Senate. We believed her when she told us that that, if and when the Senate took up right-wing Senator Rick Santorum's bill to ban what he called "partial birth" abortion, she would insist on a health exception that protects women.

Our members gave generously to her campaign, believing that she would steadfastly stand by the pledge she made to us to protect women's reproductive freedom.

She took our members' hard-earned money to get elected. Unfortunately, when the Santorum bill came up for a vote, Lincoln voted for it even though it provided no exception to protect women's health.

EMILY's List members are deeply committed to electing pro-choice Democratic women whom we trust to stand up for our rights, treat us honestly, and make us proud. Our candidates fight for us every day. Blanche Lincoln failed to hold up her end of the bargain.

Since she wasn't there for us, we won't be there for her.


We all get sold out on Health care..problem is ..there is no Health or Care in the insurance corp give away!

and that is just for starters!

[uponit7771]

9. BINGO!!!! The expectations are almost childishly set

[SoFlaJet]

12. People expect Obama

to be like the Superheroes they watch in the movies or some kind of Transformer

[uponit7771]

5. Problem with that is Obama PROMISED, PROMISED 90% of Bush fuck ups would be fixed in 2 yrs /sarcasm

Yes, the end tag is needed around here these days...

[SoFlaJet]

11. wow

I guess you're right-I never thought I'd have to qualify my sarcastic rant as such-that's where we're at around here I guess uponit

[flyarm]

14. How's that Powder Nancy?? Dry Yet?? and the Table ..Nancy..I have had the table set for so long..

the napkins and silverware are dusty as hell!

Come on Nancy..you don't think we will fall for this shit any longer do you??

Only fools would.

Getting a little heat over that Union Bashing Nancy????????????

Sooooooooooooooo... out comes the Bush powder that never gets used..and is never dry enough..and the table sits empty.

Get real Nancy..we get your game.

[jefferson_dem]

18. So now Speaker Pelosi is a "union basher"?

Good Lord. :crazy:

Reality calls.

[SoFlaJet]

23. yea I know JD

what the fuck has happened to this site anyway? Are these the remnants of the dem unity my ass crowd?

[jefferson_dem]

26. Many ...

are the same serial whiners who have been expressing *great concern* for months and months. Nothing new. They have become more vocal the last couple weeks, however, seizing upon what they think is the President's vulnerability. Whatever. Dismiss the bullshit.

[flyarm]

30. clue..she is the head of the Party that has been bashing Unions..

woo hooo..do we now not hold any leaders of our party accountble????????????????

I didn't know i was supposed to be like the freepers that went along with anying Bushco did ..

I didn't know that was the new rule!!

But see since I sent her money to get elected..and to stay elected..I think I have a legit right to my voice.

And since I was elected in my state to represent people of my state and county..I think I also have that obligation!

[Go2Peace]

15. Trouble is, while Bush was the worst, Democrats participated and helped it along

I could go for this if it weren't for the 90s and the globalist thinking of our own side that has caused or increased our problems. While Bush and other Republicans are the worst, seeing everything through a partisan lens ignores our own side's part in getting us where we are. And we have to correct that as well.

[Jennicut]

16. Dems always have to do clean up, isn't that what Dems are for?

Granted, Pelosi could have gone after Bush. But the public didn't have the stomach for it and Dems wanted to win in 2008.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

24. What good is blame without accountability?

This is the leader who personally enshrined IMPUNITY when she took accountability off the table.

Blame can also be assigned to those who look away and shirk their Constitutional obligations to uphold the Constitution and the Rule of Law. Get a mirror, Nancy Pelosi.

[jtrockville]

25. That's right. By doing nothing at the time, she's complicit. nt

[SoFlaJet]

27. and made political calculation

to try and get more dems in congress and a democratic president in office to do something like HCR instead of what would have been seen as petty and dispirited more of the electorate. Yea it would have been great to see Bush and Cheney impeached but I like that their POLICIES are being done away with more.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

28. "Petty"?

Oh well, if that's how would characterize hundreds of thousands of dead people, torture, illegal pre-emptive war instituted under false pretenses, wiretapping of the American public and OFFICEHOLDERS, I wouldn't say we are on the same wavelength at all.

Can you just jettison the entire moral underlayment, judicial codes and governmental structure of the United States because political objectives are more pragmatic and so much less . . . messy? Apparently so. But not without extreme corrosion and damage to the country and citizens you are supposedly serving. She chose to make us a country of men, not laws, and with some men being above the law despite the most horrendous and egregious affronts to it possible to imagine.

Petty. Right.

[SoFlaJet]

29. Christ

talk about turning shit around-I said it would have seemed petty to the electorate to impeach a lame duck president and hurt the chances for democrats to get the majority and the presidency

[flyarm]

31. are you serious???????????how about anyone standing up for RULE OF LAW

over hurt chances????????? How about standing for what our constitution demands??????? How about duty to her job???????????????? and the Job of all who represent we the people and our constitution??????????

Now "chances " are more important????? For who..for a few elite? for a few getting their pockets fucking stuffed at the cost of our constitution??

wow ...I can't say that any louder or clearer..just wow..we have slid down that slippery slope to facism without a damn fight..or even a wimper.

Our forefathers and those that fought for that constitution would just love to eat you alive..

[Cha]

32. Of course they are..thanks for pointing that out, Nancy! nt

[Phx_Dem]

33. Go Madam Speaker!