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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:49 AM
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Nate Silver: "Arkansas has the lowest fraction of union members from among the 50 states"
Arkansas Was Tough Target for Unions, Netroots

Was Arlen Specter or Blanche Lincoln the easier primary target?

Specter would seem to be the obvious answer. He had been a Democrat for barely a year; Lincoln has served her party in Congress since 1993. But, polls showed that Specter was actually thought more highly of by members of his own party. Rasmussen polling in April found Specter with a 64-33 favorability score among Democrats -- and in May, they found Specter with 67-31 favorability among likely voters in the Democratic primary (even though their poll showed Sestak ahead). By contrast, Rasmussen had shown Lincoln's favorability among Democrats at 55-37, in a poll also conducted in April. Public Policy Polling also had marginally worse numbers for Lincoln. A February poll found her approval at just 51 percent among Democrats, with 35 percent disapproving; Specter, in an April poll by the same firm, was a couple of notches better, at 53-30.

But Specter lost to Joe Sestak, and did so by a fairly solid 8-point margin. Lincoln survived, and actually improved her numbers somewhat between the May primary and Tuesday's runoff. Certainly, it is right to point out that this was hardly an unmitigated failure on the part of Bill Halter; a close loss should not be interepreted much differently than a narrow victory. Nevertheless, the 12-point gap in the performance of the challengers -- Sestak at a +8, and Halter at a -4 (based on last night's results) -- is not trivial and is worthy of consideration.

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But what about the unions -- which were much more active in Arkansas than they were in Pennsylvania (where, in fact, many of them endorsed Arlen Specter, although lukewarmly)? Unfortunately, they're not much help in Arkansas. In fact, Arkansas has the lowest fraction of union members from among the 50 states -- just 4.2 percent of the overall population, or 8 percent of the Democratic primary electorate, according to 2008 exit polling. In Pennsylvania, by contrast, 19 percent of Democratic primary voters in 2008 were members of unions.

The coalition of blog-friendly and union-friendly voters, in other words, had about as little influence as it possibly could in Arkansas; the degree of difficulty was much higher there. Even if Lincoln seemed like an easy target, to have pulled this off would have been really something.

I didn't follow much of the messaging that the Halter campaign used in Arkansas, and so I'm not in a position to criticize or commend it. Certainly, it is possible to use one set of messaging with your national activist base in order to raise cash and awareness for your campaign, and another with the voters back at home. But, relatively esoteric causes like EFCA or the public option were not liable to carry the day in Arkansas in the way that they might in Connecticut or Oregon. Even some red and purple states, particularly those in the Mountain West, which are fairly moderate overall, nevertheless have primary electorates with a lot of very liberal liberals.

If unions and the netroots want to find success in these more difficult environments, they will need to find coalition partners like African-American or Hispanic groups. And they'll need to keep that the reasons they don't like someone like Blanche Lincoln may not coincide with critiques that local voters have.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/06/arkansas-was-tough-target-for-unions.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:08 AM
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1. Home of Wal-mart.
What does their new logo look like?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:17 AM
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2. This is true
People who live in a union shop state or who have lived in a union family their whole life may not appreciate the small influence that unions would have in states like Arkansas.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:21 AM
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3. Just plain netroots and Union support does not work in states like Arkansas.
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 10:21 AM by Jennicut
Halter and the Unions were a bit naive that it would work...although he did come fairly close.
Remember, Union representation in place like Ohio, PA, NY is much different then in some southern states.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 06:10 PM
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8. You've been posting all over ... your low opinion of Arkansas
Please stop! Are you so snotty that you think Arkansas or "The South" doesn't deserve a good fight? There are many progressives, liberals in Arkansas who are working hard to make it blue. We are not worthless. We are grateful to union members for their fight in this state. None of them is sorry!
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:15 PM
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9. Nothing snotty about reality.
There are many, but not enough. It's not a judgment of you personally. You're not worthless, just outnumbered.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:48 PM
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11. it's not snotty, it's just facts. sorry you take it personally like that.
:shrug:
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:22 PM
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14. No, I have actually defended people here from the South
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 09:23 PM by Jennicut
who were told to leave their states if they didn't like it. Like they could just leave if they wanted to.

I posted in two posts about Arkansas. How is that all over? I never said the South were worthless, did I say that? I don't think just the Unions and netroots will work in this kind of a situation. There needs to be another part of the coalition to knock off someone like Lincoln. I watched Lamont lose here in CT (and I voted for him). He needed independents and didn't get them. Sheesh. My husband is in a Union. I don't hate Unions, believe me.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:23 AM
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4. A high level of living former Presidents.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:28 AM
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5. lol, that too.
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 10:29 AM by Clio the Leo
One quarter of all living, former Presidents come from Arkansas.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 11:48 AM
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6. Yep. And having a bunch of big union honchos descend
on their state and spend millions to influence the election appears to have hurt Halter more than help him. They should have considered the demographics of the state and tailored their campaign appropriately so as not to scare the shit out of the anti-union Arkansans, while still helping Halter with money and ground game.

Who was it on DU who was accusing the Presiden to "butting in?" Pot meet keddle.

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 11:55 AM
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7. +1
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:25 PM
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10. 48th out of 50 in median household income
above only West Virginia and Mississippi.

Sorry Nate- had Obama, Clinton and even Wes Clark not come out in support of this Republicrat- and joined with Republican groups to bash Democratic constituencies, she would have been gone with nary a whimper.

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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:11 PM
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12. Blah, blah, blah nice concerted effort to minimize the netroots an unions but
folks see plenty of corporate money, fucking Bill Clinton, the Democratic establishment, and the President all over the place and know the entire machine set on maximum came very close to going home with it's tail between it's legs and we can't help but to notice their words during the campaign and certainly their mocking,derisive, and arrogant chatter in the aftermath.

I see that the servants think they are the masters in their arrogance. They forget they are always servants either of the people as they swear oaths or to the wealthy. Our pols are almost as stupid as the typical TeaPubliKlan, thinking they will be granted a boon by the elites and become as one of them when in reality they are fucking flunkies doing the bidding of those who would caste them away as easily as they wash bugs off the windshields their Bentleys or whatever is good enough for their top standards.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:12 PM
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13. I agree with you. I don't see what the Nate Silver's point is.
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 09:13 PM by vaberella
Union is union, end of story.
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:06 PM
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15. I suggested this last night
and the response was lukewarm.

Maybe since nate Silver went there progressives will seriously look at building a coalition with African Americans. Particularly in the south.

Last night post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x332655

Clio thanks for this post and for the support last night.
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