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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:36 AM
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Obama hates Great Britain? REALLY?
Edited on Thu Jun-03-10 09:51 AM by AspenRose
Where the hell is this stuff coming from?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1283534/STEPHEN-GLOVER-Barack-Obamas-anti-British-prejudice-helps-BP-alliance-served-world-100-years.html

I mean that seriously. This is a coordinated attack/meme in the UK. But where is it originating from?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100005988/why-bp-bashing-americans-should-remember-1988/

This isn't coincidental....and 'they' are stirring the pot like mad

Google "Obama hates UK" and you get THIS comedic nonsense:

http://changebarack.blogspot.com/2009/03/3-indications-that-barack-obama-hates.html
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nmbluesky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:38 AM
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1. wow.. Great Britain must be
hurt their feeling that BP damage our beautiful Gulf of Mexico
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:41 AM
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2. well you found the WSJ editorial section and fox news of great britain
extreme right wing hackery from the daily heil (for their noted support of the nazis) and the torygraph.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:43 AM
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6. And the American right wing are piling on in the comments section
You know, those patriotic people who love their country but hate their president enough to slam him on a foreign paper's comments section :crazy:
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:41 AM
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3. Damn bloody Brits!
Edited on Thu Jun-03-10 09:41 AM by Jennicut
No, we just hate their oil company.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:47 AM
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8. Hi Jennicut!
:hi:
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:49 AM
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9. Hey!
How you doing?

:)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:53 AM
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11. Yes, I want to hear something from the Brit government about this. 40% of BP stock
is held by British, 39% by US folks.

I think Britain should be taking a greater role in this crisis. Good on the president if he's doing this.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:41 AM
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4. If an American company jizzed oil all over a foreign coastline
the international echo chamber (and the resident blame America firsters here at home) would surely be demanding that the US chip in with manpower and pay for part of the costs of cleanup.

I think it is fair to ask the same of the British.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:43 AM
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5. They're grouped together in the World Cup?
Edited on Thu Jun-03-10 09:44 AM by sharp_stick
They need to stir the pot because they are both in a pretty boring group.

Actually this shit is being originated by the business interests in the UK that are taking a major hit because of the drubbing that BP stock is getting.

Rather than place the blame with BP as it rightly should, investment assholes prefer to attack Governments.

These are also the most RW rags that Great Britain has to offer, it's the Faux noise of across the pond.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:46 AM
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7. I mean, Good Lord....the bit about his dad being from Kenya
therefore he has an anti-British bias....that's not only reaching, that's OFFENSIVE!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:52 AM
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10. He didn't like Brown and Obama's folks helped Cameron win.
That said, the Obamas, MObama and the kids at least, really hit it off with Liz Windsor.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:03 AM
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14. I think he should take Paul McCartney's award back. LOL
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:06 AM
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15. Burn Susan Boyle albums!!!
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:54 AM
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12. The Daily Fail and the Torygraph are right-wing rags..no more objective than the NY Post...
...pay no attention...Only tools "read" those publications..
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:02 AM
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13. THANK YOU
Edited on Thu Jun-03-10 10:10 AM by AspenRose
:* I have been wanting to hear from someone from the UK about the general perception re: oil spill.

(They make it sound like we/they want a second revolution!)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:10 AM
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16. True. But Brits are still irked over Obama's unceremoniously sending the Churchill bust
to the British Embassy that had been lent to the White House.

It's a big deal to them, no matter what their bent.

The Telegraph isn't nearly so bad as Daily Mail or Sun or whatever. The Daily Mail and Sun, etc. are sleezy tabloids, the Torygraph is merely conservative.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 11:19 AM
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22. was lent to dubya, it's not like it was there since 1950 or something
dubya wanted the churchill because wingnuts over here have a hard-on for him. obama wanted MLK.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 11:23 AM
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23. I understand that. But it was how it was 'returned' that was the sore spot, not that it was
returned.

There's room for MLK and WSC.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 11:51 AM
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25. apparently not in his oval office
bush wanted it, obama has the ability to make his own choices and he doesn't have the same erotic dreams about churchill that the american right has.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:03 PM
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27. That's fine. It's his office. But a lot of Brits would have liked him to have returned it
more formally, as it was given.

Like him or not - I think he's incredibly over-rated - but Churchill is far more than a fetish of the right.

Obama did not like Brown much, hence why some of his senior campaign aides helped Cameron - the Tory - win.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:15 PM
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31. yeah i wouldn't be surprised if indians, kenyans and malayans
don't have an especially favorable opinion of him.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:17 PM
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32. That's not the issue here.
And Indians have thoroughly bought into British culture, as have many Kenyans.

I know, it's weird.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 02:24 PM
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42. nothing weird about it
they were colonized for so long, of course there is going to be some cultural overlap. doesn't mean they forget history and not know who was fighting hard and violently to keep them under the boot of the so called empire when it was showing deep cracks.
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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:21 PM
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34. Again
Edited on Thu Jun-03-10 12:21 PM by Denzil_DC
How many "Brits" have you spoken to in order to form these repeated generalized opinions of yours?

Forget these trivia whipped up by the crappy right-wing media. Over here, papers like these are generally regarded with contempt when they come out with this nonsense.

There's a real crisis in hand, and a lot us us are every bit as freaked and angry - and at the meoment helpless - about it as any American.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:03 PM
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28. I'm sure it didn't worry most people in Britain
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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:06 PM
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30. Oh PLEASE!
Edited on Thu Jun-03-10 12:07 PM by Denzil_DC
"Brits are still irked over Obama's unceremoniously sending the Churchill bust to the British Embassy that had been lent to the White House."

I'm a Brit. You'd be very hard put to find many people over here who even recall it, let alone think it's a scandal, or care about it one jot.

Listen--I don't judge ALL Americans by your amazing RW media and the reactionary wankers who infest its comments sections, so please don't over-generalize so cavalierly and without any evidence about "the Brits" from this crap you've read.

Most of us are rooting for Obama because we saw what Bush did to the world. We're hoping for a break from all that.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:20 PM
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33. Yes, I know that Britain supports Obama, which is why
many were disappointed.

It's not a big deal. But, combined with the gift shop gifts for the Browns, etc. it was just weird.

It was one of those things that helped drive a stake into Brown and cleared the way for Cameron.

It's also weird how Anita Dunn, etc. of the Obama campaign worked for Cameron.

Politics is, indeed, strange.
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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:23 PM
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35. Many were disappointed?
I can assure you that it barely registered over here beyond a glitch in a news cycle.

We had far bigger fish to fry. And I'm finding your repeatedly speaking for "us" a bit annoying.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:37 PM
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37. It's not a big deal, but it contributed to a larger impression that Obama
didn't much care for the English. It was great to see MObama and Liz Windsor pick up the slack. But Anita Dunn and others worked for Cameron. That kind of says it all. Politics can be personal. I was in London when Candidate Obama visited and word was out that Brown considered him a lightweight.

Don't judge the overall attitude by your own. Some folks saw it as a wee contribution to the death of the "special relationship." I, for one, see Bush and Tony Blair as the criminals there.

And, again,it's possible to be critical of some things Obama has done, and still agree with other things he's done and support him, as I do. It was the only slight miss step in his first year foreign policy.

ps. I'm first generation - Dad's from Brighton, Maternal Unit's dad from Liverpool. I think I'm glad Benitez is gone.
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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:42 PM
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38. I just give up
Edited on Thu Jun-03-10 12:44 PM by Denzil_DC
I really do.

You obviously know much more about all this than somebody who actually LIVES here! Brown was so frikkin unpopular here that the perception of him as a lightweight is hardly grounds for anything!

Believe whatever you want, just don't let people imagine you're speaking for those damn "Brits" when you keep making these statements.

And please look up the difference between English and British. I'm not English.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 01:55 PM
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41. thank you for your insight...
...most people don't get to hear perceptions from our UK friends about what goes on over here - or over there, for that matter.

I'm a serious Anglophile, love almost everything British - favorite pastime is steeping myself in your history. Love hearing from you!

:hi:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 01:04 PM
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39. Yeah, the Brits that read Daily Mail and Telegraph.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:23 AM
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17. Well, it would be better if they didn't constantly refer to us as "the colonies".
:evilgrin:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:30 AM
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18. "I've got your colonies right here!"
:D

I have to laugh, this is just so...pathetic
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:41 AM
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19. You hear "Stateside" more often. Must piss off Canadians. nt
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:48 AM
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20. Murdoch owns the Daily Mail and the Telegraph in the UK, don't get it wrong, McCartney was right.
Edited on Thu Jun-03-10 10:50 AM by cooolandrew
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 11:17 AM
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21. nah he owns the sun and the times of london. oh and bskyb
the daily heil and torygraph are right wing to the core on their own, without his help.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 11:26 AM
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24. No, Murdoch does not own the Telegraph. nt
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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:33 PM
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36. Telegraph = Barclay Brothers
The Telegraph is owned by an eccentric pair of extremely rich right-wing twins called the Barclay brothers - Google them if you want to boggle!

The Mail is just a POS.

Both have always been right-wing, the Mail is pretty racist most of the time, and both love to make mischief whenever they can.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 11:58 AM
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26. it's because he's Irish
born in Hawaii my ass, he's Barack O'Bama born in County Mayo.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 01:18 PM
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40. It was actually Moneygall, County Offaly.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 12:05 PM
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29. The Mail is a horrible newspaper.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 04:05 PM
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43. Wow. That Daily Mail article is
embarrassingly overheated and unprofessional. Anyone that has to work that hard to prove a point obviously doesn't have one.
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