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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:44 AM Original message |
The audacity of hope |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. The problem is every time the President steps over a bar |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I directed my OP to all of us. |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. I don't think you really did. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. He's correct |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. You mean like these? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Those would be some of the examples |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. But who is moving the bar? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. The president's critics |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. He promise many things |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. He made over 500 promises and has kept 113 of them, has another 253 in the works |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. So all promises have equal weight? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Well by your standards every broken promise cancels out at least 50 promises kept |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Ah I see |
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mochajava666 (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #32 |
93. Well said. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
76. Are you pointing that list at people again? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:24 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. +1000 nt |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. 100,000 at least.... LOL! nt. |
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mochajava666 (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #76 |
92. +1 |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. +1 |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
84. They CONTINUE to try to act as if there is no progress despite reality |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
4. The audacity of expectations |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
7. There is a difference between setting expectations high and |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
70. A lot of people on DU are pissed about what they think or expect Obama to do... |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
8. So what is your solution Lerkfish? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
9. We're seeing it on DADT repeal right now. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
12. a shaddupworthy post |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
13. The Audacity of Hope |
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volvoblue (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
15. It is so tiresome to hear the whining because Obama |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. +1 sure wish I could K&R a response |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. sure wish i could UNREC it. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. When he started to do things he said he wouldn't |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Right. |
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azmouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
54. +2 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
20. No, refusing to lower yourself where necessary is just being unmerciful |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
40. not sure I understand what you mean by "refusing to lower yourself" |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
24. K&R |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
25. Accountability is paramount no matter who is President. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Just ignore the 113 promises kept and the other 253 in the work |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. "He is just an employee. We are the boss. " |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. If you do not think he is our "employee" you do not understand democracy |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. "ALL elected officials are nothing more than our employees" |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. um, actually, he's right and you're wrong on this one. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. No, actually |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I see. so, do you think they are the aristocracy and we are the serfs? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Odd, I feel anyone whose salary I pay is my employee. You may think differently. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. You own the infrastructure |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. You really need to do some reading on represntative governmemt. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Maybe you need to read it again |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. perhaps you would care to explain why the "public" is not the employer of the President or its |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. I see where you make the mistake... |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Excuse me? I said his employer is "We the people". ALL of us. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Well I'm glad you got that part... |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #69 |
78. I am not specifically talking about THIS President.I am talking about ALL presidents |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. K & R. And best to you, Lerkfish. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. George Washington referred to himself as a"'servant of the people" but I am sure you would know more |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. "'servant of the people" |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Something about the word "employee" bothers you. Sorry. "We, the People" employ the president and |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. Servant of the people... |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #67 |
79. "Walking down the center" That translates as "all things to all people, and I would hope that isn't |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. "all things to all people" ... um... no... |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Now who is superimposing what they want on my words? Don't put words in my mouth. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Nice try... I don't think you can shut down this discussion with that BS |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Your words are not mine and I am not the one foisting anything but I do actively endorse |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. LOL! |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
71. Your Wiki link really has no answer to this question. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #33 |
80. Deleted message |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
26. "Either Hope and Change were were honest goals that we were fools to believe were possible" |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. see, that would be "lowering the bar". |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. "that would be an example of bar-lowering. " What? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Has torture ended? is Gitmo closed? is DADT repealed? Are we out of Afghanistan? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. "Has torture ended?" |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. What do you really think is happening at Bagram? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. "You're hanging on to plausible deniablity and it doesn't seem all that plausible. " |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
73. You've been answered and chose not to discuss what was stated |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. ok |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Right, |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. grief, swarm and lock |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Here, let me help you out: |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
77. Well, if it's a google search... it has to be true.... |
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namahage (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Again with the "proof by Google search"? |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
46. Didn't he lay out some solid reasons for opposing gay marriage in that book? |
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ampad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
47. Unrec |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. thanks |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
60. Proudly UNREC. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. very appropriate avatar! |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Thanks! |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
64. Maybe the problem is people think hope and change means whatever they want it to mean. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Bingo, SA... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Deleted message |
Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Looking through a DU lens, sure. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #64 |
85. BINGO 2!!! |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
81. K & R nt |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
91. Perhaps we were mistaken when we thought he was speaking to us |
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mochajava666 (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-10 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
94. Well said |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
95. Where's Lerkfish? Not in User Profiles... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. He's been banned. Look at the profile in the OP. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Wow - that's awful. Why? nt |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Who knows? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Thanks :) |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
98. sleep well, brave prince. |
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