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dumpdabaggers Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:35 AM
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We do not have the power to change anything.
Why do we kid ourselves? We live in a corporate.fascist state. Democrats, Republican's, are all working for the same people.

Why has there not been another anti war protest since Bush left office? We are going to be in Afghanistan until we are all old and grey.

Itv kind of reminds me of the Vietnam days when there was not even one more big anti war rally after Nixon ended the draft.

I am sorry but when I see how easilly the tea baggers can be controlled by the media amd the billionaire lobbyist, I sense it is simply too laye.

I think we are all screwed.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:45 AM
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1. No, we have power but we refuse to wield it.
We refuse out of fear and conditioning.

We just aren't desperate enough as a people yet to be willing to sacrifice and/or do what we believe to be distasteful.

We don't wish to wake from our collective dream.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:52 AM
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2. thank you for your concern n/t
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:52 AM
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3. We do have the power - IF we refuse to be fooled by con men and women...
Edited on Tue May-18-10 11:53 AM by polichick
...of both parties.

Today in PA and AR progressives are saying "No fuckin' way!" to faux Democrats, in spite of what the establishment is trying to feed us.

We can join with Robert Redford and DEMAND that the president LEAD on energy, instead of sucking up to big oil and perpetuating myths.

It's true that we're up against a BIG UGLY FORCE that most of our "leaders" have bought into - but we can do a lot more to fight it.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:56 AM
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4. The behavior of BP is a symptom...
...of what has happened in this country.

Politicians have accepted millions in campaign contributions from large corporations.
These large corporations buy influence, deregulation and the ability to ignore the
health and safety of people over profits. The corporations return the favor to
politicians with more campaign money--and probably more money and god-knows-what-else
that is exchanged under the table.

There is a party going on, and "We The People" are not invited. We are a pain in the
ass to them. We are the objects that they must lie to every election cycle--and
nothing more.

The tea party...don't get me started. What is the effect of the tea party? It divides
us. It keeps us hating each other. The tea party was concocted by the neocon corporatists and it
is strengthened and fueled daily by the right-wing radio/tv hacks that take their marching
orders from the neocon corporatists.

They need us divided. They need us so distracted and focusing on the shiny object (the
meaningless, pseudo cat fight between Dems and Reps) so they can continue to destroy
the economy, the environment, the Constitution, our freedoms, our civil rights and whats left
of our democracy.

We are screwed, because we are falling for their bullshit.

BP has all ready carved out their own reality. They get to make billions, and they've
previously paid tens of millions to their right politicians--to ensure that they aren't
regulated and that if a huge disaster happens--NOTHING will EVER happen to them. Believe me,
BP is being reassured right now, "We all know you guys are safe, but we have to do a little
grandstanding and act outraged. So just bear with us while we feign being angry at you. It
will all be over in a few weeks. In the meantime, don't forget that we're all meeting
for cocktails on K Street tomorrow, ok?"

This is reality. What are we going to do about it?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:03 PM
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7. Not just campaign money; they accept jobs, or their families accept jobs
with the businesses they are SUPPOSED to keep in line.

They accept, or family members accept jobs lobbying for corporations they are SUPPOSED to keep in line.

They are simply employees of the corporate system that runs the world.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:59 AM
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5. So you're saying this is a concern to you. nt
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:03 PM
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6. And we were not controlled by big corporations....when?
The early 1800s maybe?
The truth is, whatever was the big corporate interest of the day has influenced and ruled us in may ways. Child labor, slavery, no regulations on food and drugs, no worker safety. We have managed through some more progressive people in the United States to give us some protections but corporate interests and the interests of the wealthy have always ruled the United States. It is just more blatant now. So, we have never had a perfect, better system in place.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:10 PM
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8. yes... work , watch tv , sleep. Do not attempt to change things citizens!!
Edited on Tue May-18-10 12:10 PM by mkultra
Your efforts will be futile. Thank you for your cooperation.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:51 PM
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9. Yes, it is ALWAYS possible to change things for the worse.
Now changing things for the better is much harder -- takes a lot of work and may not be successful.

But, hey, I'll come out for an antiwar rally now, no matter how futile it may seem.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:02 PM
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10. I think it takes work and determination,
and simply typing on the Internet may not do it.

However, we do affect things, even from the Internet....
which is why so many work so hard in undermining this President
and in an indirect way, assisting the opposition in regaining control.

Complaining all day long about the Democrats and this President's every actions
doesn't help Democrats get elected.... and we know what the alternative results
to Democrats not winning....and it ain't pretty.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:03 PM
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11. That's the spirit!
Oy.
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dumpdabaggers Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:10 PM
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12. Wealthy elites are more entrenched than ever.
More so than when I was a kid. I am 51.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 04:48 PM
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13. REAL change comes from below, from local action in our communities.
We need to quit trying to take over and transform an inherently evil and corrupt system, it must be overthrown from the bottom up through grassroots organizing.
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