Okay Let's Do It This Way: Explain Your Reasons Why You Think Obama WANTS War.

[Solomon]

Is it to make money from all his investments in oil and defense? What's in it for Obama? Tell us please.

[polichick]

1. Don't think he could stand up to the mic. nt

[Zodiak]

61. I fear that. There certainly is a good argument that the MIC always gets its way.

But I also consider that political implications may be involved, as well. Easing out with one more surge because his advisers envision a bunch of the mushy middle flocking to him in the next election because he is "tough". Plus they envision the Republicans being defanged on the national defense advantage. And lastly, making the MIC and intelligence agencies happy for now frees his hand for some of his legislative initiatives. He may have even negotiated this action with the hawks in his own party in return for support of legislative initiative X and Y. Or a combination of all reasons.

He also could be in a "bubble" where he is hearing intelligence and advice from a pre-determined selection of choices. The same reason that many argue that "Obama knows more than we" has the corollary that that same cloud of advisers can easily filter information to their benefit.

To be honest, guessing motivations in today's political climate is an exercise in speculation and futility. We have only the decision to judge.

[Why Syzygy]

2. He's a tool of the Globalists! What else.

Or, rather .. His POLICIES are tools of the Globalists.

[Solomon]

15. Oh I get it. You think he's weak.

Seems to be acknowledged here that it's not to enrich himself. The only thing you can come up with is the idea that he's too weak. And you wouldn't fall for the crap, right? You could do so much better 'cause you wouldn't be "weak".

[Why Syzygy]

24. I haven't

and wouldn't sell my soul to the Globalists.

[WonderGrunion]

32. I'm pretty sure your soul isn't worth anything to the globalists

They probably wouldn't buy it.

[Why Syzygy]

33. Is is very easy to take cheap shots?

Is that a fall back for nothing intelligent to say?

[27inCali]

58. feel the burn

haha

[boppers]

44. Heck, if I could figure out how to mass produce my "soul", I'd corner the market and *then* sell it.

Of course, I'd have to figure out who the spooky "Globalists" are first.

Maybe a congressional witch-hunt would help. That worked with McCarthy, right?

[27inCali]

57. Not 100% sure what Globalists are

but I think it has something to do with a forty foot tall stone owl in Monte Rio, California and the sort of nutty, blood-thirsty occultism that has been popular with the ruling classes for ages.

[Arkana]

3. His anarcho-capitalist handlers, man.

They, like, run the government and shit. Plus they totally assassinated John Kennedy AND LBJ. Oh yeah--LBJ too. Turns out that was just like a fucked-up robot or something.

Military fascist jerks put, like, mind control agents in our water to control our fuckin' MINDS, man.

*takes massive bong hit*

[msallied]

52. ...

:rofl:

[eleny]

4. How the hell are we supposed to know?

He was supposed to explain that tonight.

[Writer]

5. I don't think Obama wants this at all.

The look on his face during parts of his speech came across to me as: "This fucking sucks."

[vaberella]

Sucks and at one point I thought he was gonna cry. n/t

[Writer]

8. Crap, I caught that, too!

Right before he directly addressed the Afghan people.

[vaberella]

49. That's the exact part I'm speaking about. n/t

[Parker CA]

13. Definitely had some glassy eyes and deep gulps at a few points. This clearly

weighs heavily on him.

[avaistheone1]

14. I saw the glassy eyes. And whether it is right or wrong what he is doing

there are millions of peoples lives he holds in the balance.

[Writer]

18. He looked melancholy, but that he was using the speech to pick himself back up.

The dude feels very alone at the moment.

[avaistheone1]

19. I think he sounded angry which made it difficult for me to listen to what he was saying.

I am not sure if the anger was staged, but I think the speech lacked a lot starting with the 9/11 reference.

[Writer]

20. Yeah his cadence was rather forceful sounding. And somewhat rushed.

I think that was a staged part of his speech. I think the insinuation was, "Look. This is what I want to do, and that's that."

But there were moments when he didn't look like he had a good Thanksgiving.

[avaistheone1]

21. I think he was playing up the machismo for West Point.

But I did get the sense something wasn't right. Maybe indigestion or something over Thanksgiving. Or maybe nagging doubts.

[Writer]

22. A guy like that? Yeah, I'll bet he has nagging doubts.

I think he'd prefer that he not send young soldiers to their deaths - as well as kill innocent Afghani's. Obama has a conscious, and even if we don't like what he's doing, chances are, he probably doesn't like it, either. But there are difficult decisions to be made.

[CAG]

40. Why shouldn't he? The right gives him nothing but sh&t, the media

gives him nothing but sh*t, and the left gives him nothing but sh^t.

He's not perfect for anyone, and thats not good enough for way too many.

[Why Syzygy]

27. It damn well should weigh heavily.

Just as losing the White House and Congress in four years should.

[grahamhgreen]

17. He is a great salesman.

[Cha]

55. The first common sense post on this thread as

to what the OP asked.

Of course it fucking sucks.

[LakeSamish706]

6. I think he was pushed into it by his military people.... Although he did make reference...

to staying in Afghanistan in him campaigning, I was hopeful he would come to his senses...

[valerief]

7. The puppetmasters want to syphon money out of the Treasury and

use it to plunder whatever they can.

[jobycom]

9. He's just too inexperienced to understand how and why to say no.

Same thing happened withLBJ. His advisors are saying "We have to do this and we are the experienced ones and you don't know what you are talking about," and Obama believes them.

[high density]

10. Because you can't wind up a war in a long weekend? NM

[nemo137]

46. Pithy. I like it.

[27inCali]

59. pithy and dead on

we're talking about starting to leav in a year and a half.
that strikes me as incredibly ambitious considering how bad it's gotten.

[RoccoR5955]

11. Two reasons... The oil pipeline, and the Military-Industrial Complex n/t

[sudopod]

37. I might could buy the mic

But the pipeline thing seems kinda far out. The one in Alaska can have problems when the weather's bad or the ground shifts. Is it at all realistic to ever think of running something thousands of miles long--that can be put out of operation with a single hole--through as rugged and lawless a place as Afghanistan?

[IndianaGreen]

12. He surrounded himself with DLC war hawks and, worse still

he only listened to Beltway wisdom rather than seek outside the Beltway counsel. This is why the peace option was off the table before any discussions took place. This is why nothing has changed, or will change, in regards to this sad war.

[shadesofgray]

54. +1. Same way he listens to them on EVERYTHING else.

[grahamhgreen]

16. The deal is - if you do what we say, when you leave office, we will make you a superstar and wealthy

Like Tony Blair:

IS BLAIR OFF TO JOIN THE CARLYLE GROUP?

HE'S EYEING UP £250K JOB WITH ARMS TRADE LINK FIRM

London Sunday Mirror | August 24, 2005
By Rupert Hamer

TONY Blair is expected to join one of the most exclusive groups of businessmen in the world after he leaves Downing Street.

The PM is being lined up for a highly lucrative position with the Carlyle Group - an American-based investment giant with strong links to the White House and the defence industry.

The firm has been nicknamed "The Ex-Presidents Club" because it has had a host of former world leaders on its books including George Bush Senior, his former secretary of state James Baker and former British PM John Major. There a also a large number of former US Army top brass."



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/3276585/Tony-Blair-earns-12m-since-leaving-Downing-Street.html

Tony Blair earns £12m since leaving Downing Street

The former Prime Minister travels around the world on speaking engagements, and can command up to $250,000 (£157,000) for a 90 minute speech. He works exclusively through the blue-chip Washington Speakers Bureau.

Mr Blair has made £4.6 million from his memoirs, around £2 million from his role with investment bank JP Morgan, £500,000 from Zurich Financial Services asw ell as £84,000 of taxpayers money to run a private office and an annual pension of £63,468."



http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Tony_Blair
Tony Blair was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and leader of the Labour Party. He resigned from the position in June 2007.

In January 2008, the Financial Times reported that Blair had agreed to become a part-time adviser to the global financial services firm JPMorgan Chase. The newspaper reported that Blair "will use his experience and contacts to provide political and strategic advice to the US bank and participate in some client events." Blair resigned as leader of the parliamentary wing of British Labor Party in June 2007. While the fee for the position has not been disclosed, a New York recruitment firm suggested that it "was likely to be more than $1m (£500,000) a year." Blair stated that he was looking at accepting "a small handful" of similar positions with other companies. "I have always been interested in commerce and the impact of globalisation. Nowadays, the intersection between politics and the economy in different parts of the world, including the emerging markets, is very strong," he said.<1>

[phleshdef]

25. Obama can be a wealthy superstar without any of that so... fail.

[grahamhgreen]

29. No, we are talking about REAL wealth, familial wealth, dynastic, not riches. nt

[phleshdef]

36. What a bunch Glen Beckian like bullshit.

[Frosty1]

63. +10

[Hippo_Tron]

41. Obama can earn the kind of wealth posted in your article by giving speeches

What you're talking about is somebody promising to make him a billionaire and I doubt that is the case.

[NYCGirl]

30. He's already a superstar and can become very wealthy without them. NT

[grahamhgreen]

35. And if you don't do it, they kill you. nt

[NYCGirl]

48. Yeah, those illuminati will get you every time!

Just in case I need to post this:




















:sarcasm:

[27inCali]

60. I wouldn't totally dismiss the mischief

caused by institutions like the Carlyle Group and their ideological allies in the world of secret societies.

the real historical Illuminati were a very Liberal offshoot of the Free Masons who basically were working to spread Democratic governments in an age of kings.

you want the real Illuminati plot? read the lyrics to Beethoven's Ode to Joy, which by the way were written by a member of the Illuminati.

[phleshdef]

23. The sad but funny part is he had war coming into office, now he is ending it responsibly.

[AngryAmish]

26. Bush wanted war so he could masterbate over the bodies of the dead

[YvonneCa]

28. I don't buy your premise. I think...

...he DOESN'T want war. I also think he is doing his best to end TWO wars...that he didn't start...responsibly.

[Solomon]

47. That's my point. People are acting like Obama WANTS

war for some ulterior reason. So I'm challenging people to tell me why he WANTS war. So far all I'm hearing is he has to do it because of military industrial complex is really in charge. But if that's the case, why all the hate toward Obama?

[Teaser]

31. because he is satan and worships the devil and drinks from the devil's dangly bits.

.

[liquid diamond]

34. It's not my job

to educate the willfully ignorant. Fucking pay attention.

[donheld]

39. None so blind as those who chose not to see

[jeanpalmer]

38. If you locked yourself in a room

for four months with Stanley McChrystal, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, Mike Mullen, Hamid Karzai and the CIA, what chance would there be that you would want anything but war, war, and more war?

[boppers]

45. Having read into some background...

If I was locked in a room for four months with those people, I'd want tactical squads to end all-out war, reduce the conflict to direct, targeted, action, and then get the hell out of the theater.

Which seems to be the strategy.

[lamp_shade]

42. Excellent question, Solomon. The angry mob here doesn't have an answer. I'm not surprised. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

43. He doesn't "want" War......

And so, he will end them, and that is a real trick....but he'll get it done.

[Cha]

56. That is what they're so conveniently choosing to

ignore and instead bringing nothing but subterfuge and non reality talking points in the debate.

[stranger81]

50. In the U-S-of-A, unfortunately, calling for more war is the safest political option.

Had he not done so, all we'd be hearing today is what a weak-kneed, toothless bleeding heart Obama is.

Having said that, I still disagree with his decision 100%. He took the easy way out, and definitely the low road.

[tekisui]

51. Politics, unfortunately.

He ran on it and feels obligated to follow through. The political calculation leads the WH to think the best bet would be to do whatever it takes to call it a win.

[Techn0Girl]

53. Hobson's choice. Explain YOUR reasons why we NEED war?

[musiclawyer]

62. I think it's pretty simple

Leave now fast, and the carnage that ensues makes his peace prize look like a joke. And by 2012, there would be real danger brewing for USA from a Tali-quaida government. We would not be safer! So, he's simply buying enough time for the corrupt government to at least try to be able to protect itself by the time the USA pulls out completely before the 2012 elections--which is a certainty if not for more than political reasons. That it will have taken POTUS his whole first term to get out of there just shows how badly Bushco fucked up over there. Ultimately, this proves that the election fraud took the administration by surprise. Otherwise, they would have done this by right of the bat. Whether they should have anticipated such fraud is for another thread. I really don't think POTUS was left with many cards to deal.