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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:35 PM
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Dear President Obama: What the Nuclear Industry Doesn't Want You (or us) to Know
With many pronukers clamoring that the Energy Bill need to include new nukes and the oil disaster being used as an argument that the President needs to include nukes in his energy program, I offer this sobering and frightening article by an eminently qualified professional in hopes that folks will get past the nuclear industry lies and see that any energy bill which includes nuclear power subsidies and support are extremely dangerous to Americans and the world just as the oil industry has proven to be with the BP disaster destroying the beautiful Gulf of Mexico and threatening to do tremendous damage to the US East Coast:

Nuclear Power Causes Cancer: What Industry Doesn't Want You To Know
Dr. Sam Epstein
Huffington Post, Tuesday, August 4, 2009


Nuclear power, frequently mentioned as one option for meeting future energy needs, would pose a health threat to Americans if a meltdown occurred. But despite meltdowns at Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, and many other near-miss accidents, there is another dirty little secret the nuclear industry doesn't want you to know. Cancer risk from nuclear plants aren't just potential risks, they are actual risks.

Every day, reactors must routinely release a portion of radioactive chemicals into local air and water -- the same chemicals found in atomic bomb tests. They enter human bodies through breathing and the food chain. Federal law obligates nuclear companies to measure these emissions and the amounts that end up in air, water, and food, and to report them to federal regulators. However, nuclear advocates consistently claim that these releases are below federally-permitted limits, and thus are harmless. But this thinking is a leap that ignores hard evidence from scientific studies. Now, after half a century of a large-scale experiment with nuclear power, the verdict is in: nuclear reactors cause cancer.

The claim that low doses of radiation are harmless has always been just a claim. It led to practices like routine diagnostic X-rays to the pelvis of pregnant women, until the work of the University of Oxford's Dr. Alice Stewart found that these X-rays doubled the chance that the fetus would die of cancer as a child. Many studies later, independent experts agreed that no dose is safe. A 2005 report by a blue-ribbon panel of the National Academy of Sciences reviewed hundreds of scientific articles, and concluded that there is no risk-free dose of radiation.

Federal health officials, who should be responsible for tracking cancer near nuclear reactors and analyzing their nuclear contaminants, have ignored the dangers. The only national analysis of the topic was a 1990 study mandated by Senator Edward Kennedy, and conducted by the National Cancer Institute. But this study was biased before it even got started. A January 28, 1988 letter to Senator Kennedy from National Institutes of Health Director Dr. James Wyngaarden brazenly declared "The most serious impact of the Three Mile Island accident that can be identified with certainty is mental stress to those living near the plant, particularly pregnant women and families with teenagers and young children." Not surprisingly, the study concluded there was no evidence of high cancer rates near reactors. No updated study has since been conducted by federal officials.

With government on the sidelines, it has been up to independent researchers -- publishing results in medical and scientific journals, to generate the needed evidence. Studies were limited until the 1990s, but the few publications consistently documented high local cancer rates near reactors. Dr. Richard Clapp of Boston University found high leukemia rates near the Pilgrim plant in Massachusetts. Colorado health official Dr. Carl Johnson documented high child cancer rates near the San Onofre plant in California.


More at link:

http://radiation.org/spotlight/090804_Huffingtonpost.ht...


Samuel S. Epstein, M.D. is professor emeritus of Environmental and Occupational Medicine at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health; Chairman of the Cancer Prevention Coalition; and author of over 200 scientific articles and 15 books on cancer, including the groundbreaking 1979 The Politics of Cancer, and the 2009 Toxic Beauty.

(This is one of those folks whose articles are posted at www.radiation.org that the pronukers here claim are "junk science.

I guess they'd say this good Dr. has no credibility
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:40 PM
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1. Burning Coal Releases Radionuclides

I don't question the studies in the OP at all.

What I'd like to see are similar studies of disease rates associated with coal plants and coal combustion waste reservoirs.

That would be meaningful.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:42 PM
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2. To Hell with Coal and Oil AND Nukes: we can be 100% renewables in our lifetimes
But we have to stop wasting money on dangerous and poisonous technologies that kill and destroy our environment.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:44 PM
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3. Sunshine kills more people from cancer than the entire nuclear power industry.
The mole people have the right idea.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:58 PM
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4. Yeah - I thought you might come up with a line like that
without source one or link or ANYTHING.

Just a bald assertion of...

smoke up our you know whats
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:02 PM
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5. "in our lifetimes" is the key part.
What about in the meantime?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 04:12 PM
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6. I guess it depends on how you define "lifetimes"

Because I've been hearing that since 1971.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 04:30 PM
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7. bad link - ".ht" instead of ".html"
Edited on Wed May-05-10 04:31 PM by bananas
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:20 PM
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8. The good doctor has no credibility
All the evidence he gave is anecdotal.

The doctor needs to have published peer review studies backing up his claims. There have been many peer reviewed studies showing the cancer rates around nuclear power plants and they haven't found any link.

There has even been studies showing that coal power plants release more radiation than nuclear power plants.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 11:35 PM
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11. According to YOU??? Who supports nukes? And besides...
Anecdotal evidence is STILL evidence as any good scientist knows.

Your bald assertion of "many peer reviewed studies" without citing even one is pretty absurd an argument, especially when you are claiming that you musy have peer reviewed studies to prove a point.

Anyway it also boils down to WHICH peers and WHICH scientific journals in order to determine proindustry bias (like the studies on pharmaceutical products there is OFTEN taint even in peer reviewed journals. There are also fabrications and falsities by industry plants.

As for MORE radiation from coal you are missing the whole point: INTERNAL radiation from igesting man made radiation in milk products for example is very different from exposure to natural radiation from burning coal. Strontium 90, for example, is only produced by nuclear power plants and is not found in coal burning. Strontium 90 is biologically equivalent to Calcium and is therefore absorbed by the bones and teeth and tissue when consumed in milk or water in produceL it gets into the blood and bone marrow where for the rest of your life it irradiates and mutates local tissue and alters and mutates your dna (including the dna of foetuses in a woman's uterus or the ovaries and eggs themselves causing birth defects.

This is entirely unlike breathing in natural radioactive particulates from coal (which may well cause lung cancer but is not absorbed into the bones and tissue the way the nuclear by products are.

The comparison of coal to nuclear is a falsehood and a total red herring cooked up by the nuclear industry and it is trying to sell us all a bill of hogwash goods.

Don't fall for that BS.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 11:50 PM
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12. The good doctor has some 200 peer reviewed studies
and his credentials are impeccable.

You are ridiculous

but his awards and scientific and other articles are found here for those who want to assess WHO is credible here:

http://www.preventcancer.com/about/epstein.htm#sci

Of course industry shill s will attack him with falsity and prevarications - but his credentials and articles speak directly to jis credibility

so there
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:32 PM
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18. Straw man!
FAIL. Just because coal is bad doesn't mean nuclear is good.

Both types of power sources pollute and cause disease and death.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:07 PM
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9. This is the new "Tobacco Industry". Those who follow this issue know the industry is full of lies an
cover ups. Discharges with "poor" and lost records, fighting lawsuits and truth tellers in **exactly** the same way the tobacco industry did.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:14 PM
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10. Obama has long-standing ties to the nuclear industry, particularly Exelon Corp
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 12:00 AM
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13. I know - that is why I posted this in this forum: Obama needs to hear these issues
and so do those who support Obama (as I do) on many other issues.

I oppose the wats and drone attacks.

I oppose more support for coal and offshore drilling.

But most of all I oppose nuclear pollution caused by EVERY SINGLE PLANT WHICH CANNOT FUNCTION WITHOUR CREATINBG POLLUTION AND DEADLY TOXIC RADIOACTIVE WASTE WHICH WILL BE IN OUR ENVIRONMENT FOR 100,000+ YEARS
and which will continue to mutate our dna and and our children's dna for 1000 or more generations if we do not stop it and remediate the problem NOW.

This was the main reason i could nopt get behind Obama at first until he actually said he had grave reservations about nuclear during the campaign (and Edwards failed - he, like Gore, opposed nukes almost without reservations).

But Obama's recent support for nuke subsidies, while clearly an attempt to get some right winger's votes on the Hill, was a bending over with OUR butts about to be penetrated with toxic waste material from that filthy, disease ridden industry and its rabid supporters practically goosestepping in line with the pronuclear shock troops to promote the BIG LIE that nukes are green.

They are not green, they are disease and decay and mutations in flow through our bodies and our children's bodies - sickness and death itself.

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 12:15 AM
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14. Dear Obama: STOP FLYING ON AIR FORCE ONE.
Plane rides are RADIOACTIVE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation#Ionizing_radiation_level_examples

The whole "radiation is horrible, stop all nuclear development" comes from the same mindset as those who would ban DHMO.

http://www.dhmo.org/

DHMO is, indeed, scary, and yet, we decide to tolerate it, for the most part. But hey, we have whistleblowers for that, too!
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 12:52 PM
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16. External radiation is NOT the same as ingested radiation as in plane rides or sunlight
If you drink milk with stronium 90 in it it provides INTERNAL cancer causing radiation. Radiation from the sun and flying is external,.

Many idiots try to make the claim that flying exposes you to the same radiation and types of radionuclide poison as what is emitted from nuke plants. But nuke plant radiation gets into our bodies via the food chain and particulates in the air we breathe. Plus they are highly toxic when ingested.

Another dumbass red herring by the nuclear industry's propagandists.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:39 PM
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17. Firstly, "external" skin cancer kills people.
Secondly, high altitude flights expose you to more than just alpha, or, to directly address your contention, it's not "external".

The reason I posted the link I did was to point out the numerous sources of radiation in everyday life... it's in the air we breathe, the food and water we ingest. Certainly, some exposure comes from nuclear power plants, but people inhale, ingest, and consume 300 times more than that simply from the air, and food, and water, than they get from power plants.

On the extreme end, in Ramsar, Iran, the whole environment around them has 2,600 times more radiation than power plants give out... it's not "external" when it's in their air, food, water, crops, etc.

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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:51 AM
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19. I take issue only with the amounts you claim
Nuclear power plants roughly double or more the exposure we get from natural background radiation excluding radon.

I went over this in another thread some time back.

But the TYPE of radionuclides we get exposed to from nukes is different and has different impacts than external exposure or even internal exposure from natural sources.

I am not saying the effects of external radiation are not potentially dangerous - but that the way nuclear effluents from nuke plants expose us is different, more harmful and has differing and usually more harmful effects. But, hey, cancer is cancer so if you get it from any source it can hurt.

On top of that it is all cumulative so that the increase in the environment from nukes ADDS to the cancer and dna mutation load causing more and more deaths, infant mutations etc.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:39 AM
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15. true
nt
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